I'm outta here. You can leap with joy now. I belong to a lot of Russian women discussion forums, but this one is just too weird for me
Quiet Charm, my parting request is that you please stop plagarizing my work and putting it on this group. Also, please give me credit for the articles you have plagarized from me thus far.
For those of you who contacted me privately about the trip report series, you can read the rest
of it on a number of the other Russian women groups out there. There are 25 reports in the series right now, and it will go to about 35 total. If you don't know about these groups I can steer you in the right direction.
I, for one, don't leap with joy Doug. Just disappointment that once again unseemly squabbling will likely deter members who have something useful to contribute, from doing so.
As to 'plagiarizing', I have explained the background in another post.
As wtrav said... a slightly more sensitive approach might reap greater rewards for you. 'Tough love' doesn't bother me, but it clearly upsets others.
Pity to see you go, and also pity it seems you've taken most of your posts with you.
Regarding the latter I suppose your commercial intent was shining through a bit much hence got the veto-sword wielding. Continuation is easy I presume, just refrain from commercial content which is unnecessary also because all already know. If your sole aim is to spread your news I bet you'll be allowed to do that here. A single thread with a series of posts would keep it moderator-tidy, and the lack of any personal gains should give this thread longivity.
Regarding the former I'm surprised. In your opening post you set out who you are, what your intentions are, and also that you have the reputation of coming down hard on hagglers.
You entered this playground, a correct decriptive name unlike some other forums I've seen, and, by digging around in past posts, you could have easily seen why this forum is different hence what kind of grounds you were entering.
You did in any case, and of course you received comments, all kinds at that. By living up to your reputation however you, with a single remark regarding the used pseudo's here, insult every single one of the posters, you realize that? Not the best way to make friends I suppose, and some proved to be very sensitive in this regard.
You using your own name is obvious, and for rather obvious reasons also, same like some of us not doing this. I will tell you now that I would hate it to find out some of my staff is aware of what I do in my private time, simply because it is none of their business, but let me add that I also make no secret of it in pm's.
In any case this forum looses a different opinion, even if biased somewhat by alternate motives, and anything new and/or different is worth hearing in my opinion hence I consider your bowing out a loss.
Doug Salem, you can stay, but if you post your writing post it in one thread, not in multiple new threads. also I think people know where to find you writings by now.
Again I had no problem with his stories or even his sales only that he was rude and hatefull to all. I personally don't think he has any better information than any of us here but I believe that he has caused the sceen he wanted to and got the attention he thought he needed to make his sales. QC catch a clue he is using you and his last pot shot at you just went on bye. Wake up mate he only wants to cause trouble. Sorry I don't feel any loss.
oleg, do you not have the clause in your agreement that information posted to the forum becomes property of fiance.com. Most do and if not I think it would be wise to do so. Stops people from publishing there works for sale as it takes their rights to file any kind of legal suit.
now tell someone who will be surprised by that.
Point is, he posted different material, out of the ordinary, if anything worth reading only - a thing you very clearly have been doing if you don't mind me saying that. He's got his opinion and you got yours, same like I've got mine. So?
And his info has to be better? Why that, and who's the judge? Surely different will suffice, and also I'm sure the opinions here about his 'system' are as varied as we all are. One thing though you'll have to give him - there goes a lot more personal effort into writing a handwritten letter than a quick keying-in of a mail, not so? Also, when last did you write such a letter? I never do anymore, too lazy for it, but I read my mum's letters and respect her for them.
Yeah, he also had a sales pitch, but surely Shaggy, (giggle) you don't consider yourself a Moderator now do you? :) Come on, if I had one I'd try also, simply because it's worth a try, and if one does not try....
Thunder, again you are missing the content of my post. I have no trouble with his method at all. To clarify it he wants people to email their letter to his agency that will translate it and then email it to a local office that then prints it out and mails it locally to the girl. She then writes a letter back mails it to the local office they then type it in and email it back to you. Tell me this makes sense? All you are doing is paying someone 100s of times more for the same service we recieve here. Again I never said his method would not work I simply said it is not any better than what we have here. My problem arose when Mr. Salem started personally attacking anyone that he felt was hampering with his sales.
I have stated that every letter I send is personal and unique. My first introduction letter is the only canned letter I use and it is clearly stated in a short personal letter to each that recieve it that is so. I also told Doug and those on this forum that I use all method. I email, I snail mail through regular mail, I call on the phone and in some cases video conference over IP. All are effective but to be honest none are anymore safe or reliable than the other.
Again you guys are confusing my issue. I am only wanting him to stop making personal attacks without cause. If he wants to state his opinion fine but allow us to state ours. Please thunder go back and read the letter king thread starting with the end of page one and tell me does his response make any sense to you? He openly says I am great and then the next day comes in throwing flames that I insulted his wife and her business. Please point out my error as I am at a lost to understand his hostility. It would seem that you and QC are his bigget fans so please point out to me for him as he has no backbone to do it himself.
What I feel is that I am a member of this community and just like my home community it bothers me to see this kind of misinformation and hostility present. I am not the boss but I am a customer and yes feel I belong here. I am sure there are those that don't like my opinions as well and as always I welcome any debate. I guess that since I am newer here and have found many of these scams and sales attempt effected me and my ways of thinking about our goals that it just makes sense to me to share my findings with others in my community.
I'm only upset that some of my best stuff got deleted.
When Doug slammed me, calling me all sorts of names for simply telling (the truth) that he had a high opinion of himself - I wrote a come-back. I thought it was actually pretty good but I was in a hurry to go somewhere. When I got back I saw that it, as well as the whole thread. was deleted.
Shaggy
I am well aware I am being used. It works both ways and yes, I saw the ‘potshot’. Having been subject to many a potshot, it bothers me none.
It's frustrating, when I am trying to get information, useful to my pursuit of a foreign bride, to see someone who has something to contribute hounded out of the door because some didn't like the cut of his jib. Too much of it goes on here. I don't agree that he was ‘hateful’. No more so than anyone else in here. You and the others picked up on Doug defending himself and ignored his best wishes for your success, which was an olive branch. He made it clear, if you have a beef, to take it privately but it does not suit some people to do so. You closed in and gang f****d him, leaving him nowhere to go but the door.
I was surprised to see your outburst, after so recently expressing qualities such as ‘patience, understanding and forgiveness’ to ‘housewife’. You might also have added tolerance. Your ‘error’ was to see an attack when none was meant. IMHO :-))
I have no desire to nail my colours to any particular mast but I pay for the fiancé service and would like to obtain as much value as possible, without having to continually hold my head in my hands, when a newcomer… male or female… ‘walks in’, only to be pelted with rotten tomatoes.
Great. He’s gone, but who is the ultimate loser? Not you but all of us.
Am I a ‘fan?’ if you read my posts you will see that I supported your stance. It was always likely that Doug’s approach was going to raise hackles. Yet, he made it clear where he was coming from and raised an immediate red flag. I think he made a mistake in thinking that we could not think for ourselves and might have been better served by presenting the information and leaving people to make up their own minds.
As to the merits of any particular approach, I shall use email/agencies as I have been doing. It may not be the best method but for now, it suits me just fine. QC
QC I did nothing to him but ask for justification of his yes hostile actions. Again please read the post in letter king thread starting the end of page one. I made a very playful statement about I bet he had an alternitave to sell me and he first responds on the next page in a very positive way. No problem right...then he comes in the next day just railing on me that I attacked his business wich I did not. That is my search to find where I have wronged him as believe it or not I want to know. He only comes out and slaps my face and says oh lets not do this...he was spoiling for a fight and sorry I am willing to give him one. I am not asking to quite his information but only to keep on topic and keep things of a friendly nature. He landblasted everyone that dared questioned him. He openly tried to sell his products here knowing well that it was not allowed. He continued to be abrasive at best and I am sorry I have no remorse for his lost nor do I feel responsible for any loss you might have experienced. Those statements I made are very true and I stand by them today. But again like anything you must know where to draw the line. I today still welcome him to come and point out my error. Show me where I insulted him or his wife before he comes out and attackes me and others on this forum. I know QC you enjoy trying to catch me with my pants down but this is not one of them. Just please read carefully my post and you see in everyone I invite him to make any kind of comment to explain his actions. I ask him openly for an apology. I ask anyone here to read and comment to me to point out my insults and no one has. I will continue to mirror the same hostility to this man as he chose to show to us and I am sorry my values of life with a woman I want to marry and my values and dealing with a snake oil salesman that can't waite to spread hate and misinformation and hide behind his invitations to settle this in prite so he can solicite me to join his service is and will remain quite different.
And please you lost nothing as you know his website address and have joined his wifes site already. I have been there as well. Lets not make things up to try to justify this loosers presence. You can find all of his long winded post quite readily on several other sites. You will notice he is much more restrained there as they do not tolerate his hate messages on the other boards. You will also note that he does not give contact information of the sites there as well. As for the non present hostility it is very obvious and frankly his olive was too small after the insults he held up with them. And I hope you understand by now that I do not say fan to insult you but that you are his prime support here. I think if anyone could see my insult to him it would be you or thunder as obviously you see qualities in this guy I do not. Please though read the thread and comment to me your thoughts as I am truly in the dark it seems.
I will be th first to admit that sometimes, we on this board, are less than tolerant to each other and also to certain newcomers who seem off the mark to start with.
But Doug took his opinions and rammed them down out collective throats. And he fiercely attacked (in the name of "tough love" yet) those who even suggested (like moi) that he had a high opinion of himself. He came on high and mighty and acted as if his was the only answer. Only one thread remains where Doug took vicious potshots at each of us. But maybe not all ov you read everything he wrote.
The pendelum swings both ways. We have to be tolerant - but we don't have to be doormats.
I know that a lot of the nasty stuff to and from him stayed up on this board for a very short period of time. It was all over the place last night and virtually completely removed this morning. Is it possible that many of you didn't see it? Maube it was taken down too soon.
There was a time in the past when i though that you and shaggy were the same person. Of course I haven't thought that for a long time - but this should be interesting.