I guess we'll all have to continue to wait before Toad has the balls to admit exactly how many FSU women he has dated that makes him such the authority that he believes he is.
And continue listening to his drivel and his playing to the audience, I guess he'll never be able to copy and paste the negative things he claims that I have said about numerous women, because he knows these sayings don't exist, they never took place.
The saying 'you lying toad' was never more appropriate than it is now and as soon as he found he didn't have the support, from others, that he hoped for, he ran away from this thread.
Now let's just take a look at Toad's level of experience that he believes makes him such the authority that he has self-appointed himself to be.
Has he actually dated an FSU lady? NO. Why? Because he has been hiding behind his monitor and keyboard choosing to have a cyber relationship with those instead. He's recently flamed me, publicly, for sending a pic but his grievance is nothing to do with an email or a pic, just so that everybody understands where he is coming from, he's jealous.
He's jealous, in the main because of his dislike of my experienced opinions, because not only have I dated FSU ladies, but I can afford to discard them also, whilst he continues his love affair with his keyboard and monitor.
Just read his self-acclaimed authoritive posts, he claims to be such an authority but he's never set foot inside FSU, never dated a lady, never met a family, not even had a beer there.
He then has the audacity to refer to others as 'newbies', exactly what is a newbie? I would suggest a newbie is a person who has not yet progressed beyond the letter writing stage, has not yet dated a lady, has not yet travelled to FSU. Please don't take my word for this, I'm sure that RW Guide will have a clearer definition of what a newbie is.
Perhaps an alternative word for newbie should be virgin and that is exactly what Toad is, he's an FSU virgin and any opinions etc. he has picked-up are merely from his cyber world, a cyber world where if you dare to disagree with his opinion(s) he flames you or goes running to the moderator, Olga.
Furthermore, I have proven him, in this thread, to be a liar. He claims I only have bad things to say about women, please check this out for yourselves, in this thread, and this thread alone, I have warned guys about one particular lady.
How dare one say a bad thing about a woman is the impression Toad gives but please do an internet search for 'Russia Blacklist', once again Toad is in the minority, no, he's by himself in his own little cyber world. It has become a common practice to blacklist 'bad' women but hey, not in Toad's little world, it appears.
Any newbies reading this, this guy Toad is one of you, a newbie, he belongs in the junior grade at school and not the head-teacher's office that he appears to have elevated himself to. He talks crap, he breeds crap, and he's a hot-headed liar!
Very clearly that sent photo flamed tempers, and this public forum is subsequently used as a means of relief, not quite unlike a public toilet.
Before it goes up in smoke, will sombody tell us what that photo depicted? And no, I don't want to receive it either, just would appreciate a short description posted regarding what all this hotheadedness is all about, and I presume I'm not alone in this.
Thunder,
It was a regular pic, non-glamorous, of the lady that this thread is about.
OK, perhaps I shouldn't have emailed it to the 2 recipients that I did however I can accept a bollocking, from an individual, should it have been unwanted.
The point here and subsequently being is, it didn't flame tempers, just one temper but, being an intelligent guy, you can read that it isn't anything to do with a pic, it's about a loud-mouthed liar going around flaming other(s) who don't fit in with his cyber-world classroom rules.
He's a liar and he's a newbie, there's no 2 ways about it, and I'll be interested to see him try to disprove this, very interested.
And Thunder, and others,
Just to prove the point further, that it's not about a pic, he complained about the pic, I saw his complaint but I didn't respond to it, I was tempted to apologise but felt it better to just let it be, he's disagreed with something I did, fair enough.
BUT, because there was no response, not the confontation that he hoped for or expected he came back again with the post (below), read it, it ain't nothing to do with a pic, it a personal attack against an individual whose opinion(s) his cyber world don't agree with.
There is a bully in this school and we all know how bullies should be regarded or treated!
Izzi,
Martin is the resident self appointed scammer slayer.
It's all he's ever brought to the forum. Never anything positive to say about any particular FSU lady. Only scammer crap.
Beware of him...misery loves company.
Martin
You make many good points. I also am a newbie and not ashamed to admit it. I have picked up a few tips along the way and learned one or two others by trial and error. I only give tentative advice to others within that limited arena of experience.
Jetmba wanted to say that we have graduated, a kind thought but not justified, I am a novice. If you take a look at that thread and you will note that Toad's reactions was the same as mine. An unwarranted compliment, gratefully received but still unwarranted. I think he is aware that we both have a long way to go.
On this coming Friday we both start our journey to Ekaterinburg. You watch the threads you have read the jokes and worries expressed here. After that journey both Toad and I can say that we have some, note some, limited experience of real Russian women. Until that day comes we only express opinions.
However, I always say this about opinions, you know they are like asses everybody has one. I also say the reverse, I have never climbed Mount Everest, in fact I have never seen it but I think it is quite high. I am given to understand childbirth is painful but I have never experienced it. What I am saying is that it is possible to form an opinion without going through a particular experience.
I also think that dating a lady through the keyboard and calling is quite valid. Some peoples idea of dating is getting laid and for this you actually have to be present, it has become a euphemism. My idea of dating is getting to know a woman. I have been quite successful at this. So much so that I have a strong feeling that unless things go terribly wrong eventually Marina and I will probably marry. For 4 months we have steadily built a relationship long distance and now we are going to go to the next step. Toad is the same, in fact he has been in contact with Lena much longer than I have with Marina.
You live in Britain and it is much easier for you to fly to FSU than us here in America. In fact worse for Toad than me, he has to come from California before he makes the jump across the pond. Other things that make it dificult are the cost and the weather. It is far cheaper for a European to pop over to see a potential ladyfriend. The weather is a factor in my own case because I live in a subtropical climate and to leap over to the Ural Mountains (not Siberia Toad) in March shows a certain dedication or perhaps foolhardiness. I am going to die!
Martin I left this forum for quite a while because of these swipes that people give one another unjustifiably. I chose to come back and tackle the sometimes rudeness for the most part by simply ignoring. Everyone hear with a couple of exceptions has at some point been rude to me including Toad. To begin with it really got under my skin especially when somebody writes some rubbish without obviously reading and absorbing what I have written. It sort of goes with the territory i.e. public forums.
You are British, so am I, despite the fact that I have lived in America for over 20 years. I remember the feeling of insecurity going out to pubs in Maidstone on a Saturday night. You were just going out for a drink but you never knew if some pikey bastard was going to just turn around and punch and beat the shit out of you because he thought you had looked at him wrong. I feel much safer in America despite the guns! My point is that the British character is easy to offend and willing to die in the attempt of righting a wrong or a perceived wrong. You are doing this now.
So come on my friend you have made a good point now allow this to rest. You have so much knowledge and experience to contribute it would be a shame to lose it in a tornado of anger.
I am going to try to leave this be now because I would sooner talk about my upcoming trip and the fact that I don't know shit :)) What do you say Martin?
Izi,
Thank you for the compliment, you make good points also.
You talk about the British being easily offendable but I don't consider myself British, I consider myself European, that's because I live in Europe.
The point here is not me vs Toad, I'm better than that, it is that he is a liar, I've proved this, he claims to be a man, he needs to stand up, not hide behind his keyboard, and admit that he has lied.
With regards to levels of experience etc. and please don't think I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs. I speak from the days when I hid behind a keyboard, if you have never met a lady, the lady, you simply can't appreciate how naive one (you) is, you, as an individual, are able to admit this.
To a degree we are all actors, we can all say nice things in letters or telephone conversations and then throw our head down the toilet bowl afterwards, we can all say similar things to multiple ladies, or in her case, multiple men. It is only when you are together, and with such experiences, that you can truly understand if a relationship is natural, wanted and meant to be.
In letters and telephones there is no body language, no facial expressions, no naturalability of being together, it's all false until you have been together. Toad recently made a statement to the effect 'It's worked for me', that's just a sign of how naive he is, he talks as if he's involved in a steady relationship, with a lady he has never met, yet he has the audacity to refer to others as newbies.
I can accept naivity, we've all been there, what I don't agree with is loud-mouths, bullying and lying.
Thanks Toad for the advice...Once again your wisdom and insight are worth noting.As far as the body parts thing ....How did you know? :P Let her know though that I belive in recycling :P hehe.....okies I will give it a whirl. small prayer ....God don't let my hear t get broken.....again
I am reading all the stuff as well Izzi and Martin and Toad. Without getting in the middle of this I want to just say this. I take away insight and hopefully knowlege from all of the people on this forum. I regard no (individual) one as the only source of information or knowledge.It's more of a collage that I draw from each of you and I try to fit the pieces together to come up with a framework to achieve my goals. I never meant for any argument about level of knowledge to come up. I ask questions, people answer, it is MY sole responsibility to take or leave it.I R A NEWBIE....but I know that I don't know.I thank everyone for there answers even if they are conflicting points it's part of the mosaic I must form and eventually piece together. Let's just do it as gentlemen.Again I really really like this forum and hate to see it going down a path I know I will not follow for long. Hopefully it stays friendly.
Hell I don't even know what the hell made me think of Russian women in the first Frikken place.Probably because American women have turned me down so much I was hoping I could find mercy somewhere on this God forsaken planet somewhere :P anywho let's keep on keepin on and keep the eye on the prize shall we Gents to respect and share with one another our thoughts and OPINIONS on these Matters of finding a beautiful FSU bride. That is the one thing we all have in common :) ~Sandman~ oh and one more thing we share in common it's time for a beer.
P.S. I'm not much of a geography man when did Britain leave the U.S. and get thier own island :P J/K mate
The body language thing is so true. Marina and I have both been left hanging because of phone calls or misinterpreted letters. We both have the same opinion about the body language. We have discussed it.
You would be surpised what we have covered in the last 4 months. It astonishes me at times. We have both come to the conclusion that this can work - we just need to meet and make sure that the chemistry is real not an illusion. We are pragmatic about it. If it doesn't work we will always be friends and I will find someone else.
I was married for 12 years and there is a lot more to this than love or romance. People get sick, they fart, they lose their tempers unjustifiably, they waste money on crap that you know is coming out of your pocket. That is part of a relationship dealing with these things. It is also candlelit dinners and kissing the back of her neck when she is doing the washing up with yellow plastic gloves on and no make up. These things take time. Unfortunately I don't have time, the clock is ticking.
I also consider myself European. However Brits are Brits it isn't any good comparing them to a Spaniard or a Frenchman they are 2 different creatures. I think you know what I was talking about and I must say I don't miss it one little bit. There are plenty of other things I do miss though. The politeness for one and of course Sainsbury's pork pies. They go without saying. How do they make the crust like that?
Actually I don't consider myself naive or having partaken in any acting through the keyboard. Don't get mad I know what you were saying actually I agree with you. I am pretty much as you perceive me here. Middle of the road, far more willing to laugh than become angry and quite feeling. I have portrayed that in my contacts with ladies and it has been quite succesful. Seems to be what they like. They don't want to be dominated, they want to be respected and most of all loved. There is no acting involved here it is just me. Good old Izi. Marina thinks I am like a little boy. Charming and always playing, she is perceptive.
I have travelled extensively, I lived in Guatemala, I spent several months in Malaysia ets etc. I have been around the block. However I have never been to a old iron curtain country. I would be a liar if I said I am not nervous, I am. In fact if it wasn't for the fact that I can find a genuine woman there way out of my normal league I don't think I would be going. Wish me luck, this is the biggest adventure of my life and beats out all the pyramid climbing, encounters with federalis, arab traders and buddhist temples that I have experienced. I loved doing those Indiana Jones things but it would have been better with a brave, beautiful woman. I think I just came up 4 aces.
A lot of that stuff I can get here i.e. English mustard, Branston and Bisto granules even mint sauce although I don't miss that. At xmas I can get the xmas pud and cans of byrds custard. The bacon, suasages and pies are a bitch though. Screwed on that one. I am cooking turkey bacon as we speak and I would give anything for a few rashers of the real thing.
Hate kebabs though, would prefer the chinese late night curry.:)))
I was actually asked for $2.50 for a Crunchie bar yesterday, bastards.
I'm not a Newbie by any definition of the word. I've been here for nearly two years. I've been to the FSU four times.
I happen to like toad. I don't agree with everything he says (hell, I don't even agree with everything I SAY) but I certainly respect him. And as a member of this forum he is certainly NOT a newbie.
What I don't respect is when someone violates this forum by constant long-winded rants demanding some sort of cut and paste proof.
You've made your point that you don't like what toad did - over and over and over and over again.
Ok the pressure got to me.
I admit it I'm a liar. Yes, a liar. My mother said the cross dressing was just a phase, that it would pass. Yet here I sit at this keyboard in a low cut nurses uniform and sensible shoes. Oh the shame! My whole life one big lie. OK I feel better now. I'll shut up.
Martin,
The following account may help you accept once and for all that although I have never dated anyone from eastern Europe IN eastern europe I choose to go this route with eastern europeans in general at first, and now with a russian woman in particular based of what I experienced in the past in California and other places.
California large cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, even Sacramento and all their surrounding suburban areas are highly cosmopolitan.
You will find a wide variety of ethnicities here.
Asians in San Francisco, LA and Westminster.
Dalmatians, Croatians and Serbians in San Pedro.
Russians in Sacramento.
Mexicans everywhere.
And on and on...
The eastern european communities grow gradually, but steadily and continue to be tightly knit, preserving their cultural identity and religious/family values.
I've been here for almost 26 years and I've dated, acquainted, worked and made friends with quite a few eastern europeans.
FSU countries are not the only places on this planet where anyone can meet an FSU born woman.
And California is the perfect place for it.
Understand that this place, with all its disadvantages (ha!) is far from being a geographically and culturally isolated island from its neighbors like GB...or at least far from matching the pace of integration its neighbor countries are keeping (EU)
Once in California, you're automatically treated as a Californian, despite your looks, your accent or previous social status wherever the hell you come from.
My friend Gary and his wife Irina from Belarus met in Thailand, and have been married for over 10 years now... I know several others who successfully did the FSU or international bride thing in the mid '90s, when computer dating was still almost unheard of
Any man who wants to have what they have together doesn't have to sacrifice much in the way of listening and paying attention.
I didn't for many years. I do now.
I have never lied to you or anyone else about what I know.
And the only thing I take seriously is my sense of humor.
Crass and absurd as it may come across, at times.
I have lived 49 years filled with lots of fun (and not so fun) experiences. I've been married twice to born and raised american women and had serious relationships to several others because I did not know better.
Today, and for the last year or so, I only date american women casually, never to get caught again.
I learnt my lessons..finally.
We do not like each other and that's just fine with me.
I do not call you a liar, because I know you believe in what you do, no matter how wrong I think it is to do such thing to FSU women. There is no integrity in it.
It's destructive, cruel and vindictive.
But I have not lied to you, either.
And you've noticed that unless it's in humor, often the self deprecrating type, I refrain from using the vulgarity you are so fond of. If you managed to take your vulgarity out of your posts our disagreement and dislike for each other could turn out to be something enjoyable and entertaining.
Like Izi explained to you and you already know, being the so called travel expert you claim to be, it is much harder and expensive to schedule a trip to Europe for us in USA, and particularly in Calif.
That's two of the most compelling reasons why I chose the long route behind the keyboard to find and build a friendship with one good woman among many as opposed to the bimonthly or even monthly scapades you or other continetal euros have the luxury of engaging.
That does not make me or anyone else who chooses the same method a lazy person.
My skin is thick...and no matter what you say to or about me, I will not need to visit a Frank's couch anytime soon.
LMAO!!!...moi a virgin???
I only wish I could start all over since age 15, but knowing what I know now.
Well I would say that covered it Martin.
Can we all relax again?
Can I now slip into something a little more masculine? The stupid hat keeps falling off.
Martin: I had my first experience with an FSU woman in the US myself. So I was experienced before I even went over there.
As far as toad being a liar. Maybe I'm a liar too about what I just told you. Maybe izi is too with what he said above (gawd, I certainly hope so).
As far as I am concerned though Martin you can take a flying f*ck - with your stupidity and rants.
And from this point forward I will completely ignore everything your tiny little mind chooses to write hear.
Unless you can admit publicly that you are a blowhard, a bore, an asinine ludicrous lump.
Maybe the reson you go looking in the FSU is because a lot of people you know don't want anything to do with you. Well guess what, a lot of us here, who barely know you (thank gawd) don't want anything to do with you either.