In my city in East Ukraine, a population of around 466 thousand, the official tally of female to males is 10 to 9, hardly a notictable difference, but lets look deeper, I recently attended a high school graduation on May 31, my friend Victor teaches English/ German and I was an honorary invited guess, the graduating class consisted of 44 students and only 9 of these were guys, the rest females, my friend indicates that the other schools in the city were about 60 percent female to 40 percent male, what does this say, well of course, the girls place much higher emphisis on education then the guys, the two big universities in my city, east Ukraine state has 30 thousand students is 60 percent female the other a 15 thousand student teachers univerity is 70 percent female, but does it stop with education, no, it doesnt, a lack of education most likely means no job skills, which means basically unemployable, factor in the account that many more guys here then women have drinking/drug problems, commit crimes, assaultive behavior, medical, mental health issues, there may be 9 guys to 10 females, but the real story is how many of these guys are actually suitable boyfriend/husband material, i think looking at the whole picture, the nubmers are most likely 9 females to 6 guys, which is a real noticable differnce. He's a hint for guys who can spend a month or so in Ukraine, spend some time in small cites/big villages, these places get no traffic and most likely, the majority of the population is female.
You would think that certain universities-as in the US-would offer more secretarial/receptionist studies,as is or was the case in Kearney,Nebraska,where I once heard the woman to man ratio was 6 to 1. ( back in the 80s ) I wonder if different areas in a city like Moscow or Kiev have larger proportions of women saturating different communities. But then again,more men are crossing the gender boundary for jobs and studies too. At least here in the US.
I read an intersting article by Elena Petrova about this exact thing and she puts it at a lot more than 9 to 6. Closer to 10 women and maybe, only maybe 4 men. She also factored in some interesting stuff about the big cities. Bottom line is that there is no shortage of women looking for a nice guy. God this makes a change.
So all those women on Yahoo that are 45 and need a guy who makes at least $100,000 a year can take a flying.... The rest of this comment has been deleted so as not to offend the readers.
A man I got to know in SPB - emailed me a couple of months ago and said he was now in Zurich. He said studying at the Uni in SPB was too difficult. The women just never let up on him. Mind you he was a handsome brut. I saw the Uni he was at, and watching the arrival one morning was a site to be hold. The women to male ratio was as above if not more one sided than Tim states
Tim - interesting stuff. What city are you in and are you there for work or pleasure ??
I reside in Lugansk, the scam capitol, but regardless, an interesting city. I escaped the fanatical religious right ocupation in the US, so I am here on total pleasure, I should add that I am fairly young and collect a nice pension, so no need to work, prior to moving here, I have toured several times to Ukraine, but I think spending two weeks and deciding on a fiance is not the way to go, so I live here and can take my time and find the right girl, it's not difficult to date these girls, I ve had many dates with very attractive girls, last night I dated a Ms. Lugansk beauty queen contestant, she was runner up or something from the contest last Sept, the hard part to dating these girls comes when finding one you want a serious relationship with and also one who is not in it solely for the money. The latter is a real challenge, and here's something you may never here a Ukraine girl say, 'since it's your money, lets budget carefully.'
Tim
Sounds good. Don’t quite understand the "I am fairly young and collect a nice pension" part though ??
Yes I agree about staying here and getting involved into these peoples lives. At the coal face – so too speak.
I am in Kiev, but most of my time is spent out here in the apartment zone. There is a huge difference from this zone to the central city zone. It is like a different world and the ladies seem totally different. Even given the fact that most what you see in city, probably live out here, they just act different in there. Like they are on show and want to be treated and looked at differently. You are correct about smaller towns / cities been better.
I spent 10 days in Kharkov in 2003. Women just as beautiful and seemed a higher ratio of single women (beautiful ones I mean) to men and far less with a man on there arm than here in Capital - Kiev.
Heading to Lvov on Friday, so will be interesting to experience the smaller cities again. Might try and stay at some small towns south of there on route to Crimea. Apparently a beautiful part of Ukraine for site seeing (history – not women)
Tim you mention women budgeting with your money. Agree with Izi above. Depends very much on age of women.
This subject actually cropped up yesterday with my fiancée (she is 38) I asked why we had to go to 15 different shops to buy the groceries all the time. She answered “I want to save you money just like I do with my money, we saved probably 8grv today”
Good reading here guys. I'm guessing Timmy is an retired military guy about 40 years old. Did his 20 and now collects his pension. I wish I could trade places with him! You guys are correct. The 18-25 and the older with children women have totally different mentalities. I usually date the 18-25 age group. Don't need a single mom. I can get that here in the states. But the 18-25 group comes with a price. They are harder to catch if you do find a sincere one and if not you are dealing with the money scammer. I agree that when you factor in the social, mental, and health problems of the average Ukrainian or Russian man there is a shortage of good men that qualify as possible husband material. Just as you factor in obesity, feminist attitude, and sense of entitlement with our American women we have a severe shortage of quality women. This makes the foreigner (Yank, Brit, Aussie) the perfect match for all these beautiful women.
I read in an article, that the myph that there are less men then women, was created by women, to explain why they are not married or unlucky in their love life:)
But it is true that in a University there are so called "men's" and "women's" specialities, meaning that, for example, in my group there were 21 girls and only 4 boys...but on other specialities there were for example 25 boys and 2 girls, and so on and so forth...so in total I think that there is an equal number of men and women:)
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Thursday it was making it easier for U.S. nationals to obtain visas, part of liberal President Viktor Yushchenko's plan to move the ex-Soviet state closer to the West.
A presidential decree posted on the government Web site www.president.gov.ua said visas would no longer be required by U.S. citizens making a second trip within six months, provided the new stay in Ukraine did not exceed 90 days.
It said the measure was intended to develop a "strategic partnership" with Washington.
Citizens of EU states and Switzerland have been allowed visa-free entry to Ukraine on an experimental basis from May to September.
The president has said he hopes that move will prompt EU nations to lift their visa requirements for Ukrainians.
But the 25-nation bloc, anxious to maintain secure borders along its new eastern frontier and deter trafficking of people and drugs into member states, is highly unlikely to lift its visa restrictions in the near future.
Yushchenko, elected last December on a wave of mass protests against electoral fraud and revulsion at his predecessor's administration, has linked virtually every policy decision to a long-term plan to join the EU.
I've lived in Odessa for 8 months and almost every club I go to the female to male ratio is about 3 to 1, sometimes as high as 5 to 1. And, most of them are really great looking women.
If you want some good info on Odessa, log onto (deleted as advertisment).
Age structure:
0-14 years: 17.3% (male 4,310,158; female 4,127,677)
15-64 years: 68.57% (male 15,965,079; female 17,468,035)
65 years and over: 14.13% (male 2,275,004; female 4,614,521) (2001 est.)
Population growth rate: -0.78% (2001 est.)
Birth rate: 9.31 births/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Death rate: 16.43 deaths/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Net migration rate: -0.63 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 0.91 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.49 male(s)/female
total population: 0.86 male(s)/female (2001 est.)
Infant mortality rate: 21.4 deaths/1,000 live births (2001 est.)
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 66.15 years
male: 60.62 years
female: 71.96 years (2001 est.)
most interesting is teh predicted decline of the over all population 0.78% which is astonishing as most of the world populations have been growing steadily. Even more interesting is how this and other population shifts in population will effect the global community.
From all the information i've gathered, I only have two questions: Which small small towns/large villages would be recommendable? Of those towns and villages which has the lowest scam rate?, I'd appreciate a bit of a hurry as I'm soon to get on a plane to either commit a very large mistake or the best thing that's ever happened to me.
Another factor (having just come back from kiev myself) is that ukraine men are almost to a man butt-ugly. No really - they have a strange rodent like cast to their features, its like being a whole country populated by clones of "Gareth" from The Office (sorry non-UK readers).
bassuk, agree with your post, and also, many Ukraine guys can be so totally gross, like when they hold one side of their nose and blow snot out of the other, they'll do this in front of cafes, in crowded city parks, and I ve seen many guys take a leak out in broad daylight, with no concern whatsoever, I guess if you gottogo, you gottogo.
I know the Russian/Ukrainian face type (not everyone has it of course). MOST of the women ther consider it to be ATTRACTIVE. Imagine that! Women consider guy from their own gene-pool to be attractive? Who would have figured?
Actually - though my relatives have lived in America for four generation - when I trace them back, most are actually from the Slavic area. MANY times I am actually thought to be from the area - when I am over there (and NO I don't look like Gareth) and am often asked directions to somewhere.
The women I've met are quite PLEASED that I have a Slavic look about me.
But bassuk was evidnetly looking for more attractive men..... Can't imagine why?