I would Like to Know how Many in this Forum
Would be Interested In Starting our own social
and Travel Together as our own Group.
I have been working on Details and Rates and Places to go to
Visit and Stay for A month, But People could come for a week or
two. I am looking into everything for cost purposes etc etc etc.
I am A well Organized Person with good details and I am Learning
each day what it takes to Plan such a wonderful event.
Age doesnt mean anything, Any age welcome.
This would be A very rewarding adventure for all of us.
While this is a great forum - with a lot of great guys - most of us are at differnt stages in our search.
Obviously - I would not be available as I am already "taken" (unless things really DON'T go well in the next 90 days.)
Most of us would have difficulty taking off a month or even a few weeks unless to be with a VERY special lady for which we save our annual vacation time.
We also tend to be pretty independent souls - who prefer to do things on our own.
If it sounds like I am "raining on your parade" I apologize. I know htat there are many forum mebers who read comments here regularly - but do not post themselves. Perhaps there are enough there to make a trip like this viable.
(How do I know that there are a lot of silent-viewers? Look to see how often even the most innocuous new topics are viewed - before anyone ever makes a comment.)
Thanks Jet, I really think we Could get something Like this going
Worse case Maybe just A few of go together. I read how some met going out there, Why not plan ahead and feel more safe in a group.
I agree with you in part about Independent Souls, But when going to A country
with many women I believe group Courage finds new Meanings.
Look at socials that people go to that are put on by agencies
you know before hand there will be many guy's there and you do not even
Know them. How many of those guys want the same lady you are interested in? If you go with a group you get to know at least I hope that if some one showed interest in a lady our friends would not hit on her...
Look at the the money people Spend on such an event
I seen Videos of many socials now and it's like Earls Meat market
with as much as 4800.00 + you Spend, to see ladies getting offers from
many men.
In true sence a group of people understanding one another
goes along ways, I like that jet said we perfer to do things on our own
Hey after you meet her I would think you would want to do on your own
or go on your own when you get there.
Options are nice to have and this gives great options maybe we take a handful to dinner as a group and let them see us having fun.
I am putting the leg work together and If it sparks your interest
Skies The limit on what we could do as a group.
I applaud your efforst - but I do have to speak up about Socials. I attended one - and spent about $3400 - I was one of 15 guys and there were more than 200 women (different women) each night. Though honestly - I didn't go to the third social - I was busy.
My lady is beautiful and was one of the rare cases where she was sopken to by another man as well. Though he spoke to her - he made no move toward her (no offer).
I stiil firmly believe in Socials.
But if you can do the legwork and put something together here. Hey - more power to you.
As you said - even if you only got a few guys - it might be nice.
I know that the biggest thing that seems to stop the people that I have talked toi from going on a tour is the fear of going alone.
I have about fifteen guys - including those who I wrok with and those I attended the last Romance Tour with who would like to go again IF THEY KNOW SOMEONE ELSE GOING ALONG. (Even jmoluv from this forum and I have discussed it privately though I'm sure he is courageous enough to go alonee - as he has done three times.)
We do practically "know" each other in this forum - about as well as anyone enitely internet based could. It might work.
izi and toad who met originally through this forum - met in person and are friends. I met TimH (a former regualr contributor) through this forum and we met in London and are friends. I'm sure there are other cases as well.
"Why not plan ahead and feel more safe in a group"
I can't believe what I read just now. Give it up, you're doomed with that kind of attitude.
Even my best friend suggested to come along on a trip, and I told him I'd dump him the splitsecond I needed space, this irrespective where we'd be.
If you want to have a holiday only then fine, but going with a goal as personal as life is one needs no friends to come along OKM. I'll hold nobody's hand and prefer mine independant as well, for only this leaves one free to venture but more importantly, be yourself.
But what has this to do with courage Jet? If visiting the next village or town is considered a major trip then I can imagine some will hesitate. But it hardly makes a difference if that town is in another country or on the other side of this globe, because people are basically the same anywhere - and aren't you supposed to be looking for one, a specific one?
As I said, if only a holiday is at stake by all means join a group, but otherwise go alone because you need to be. Those not up to this will fail, as simple as that.
And that, Jet, is my personal take on tours. I'm also convinced that a woman will regard it as such, especially when 'manly' types seem to be preferred. But even if they didn't I suggest to do it no different.
Are you listening Geri?
Thunder - You and I as well as most of the people who write here frequently, are independent souls. That's fine. Its our personality and it works for us.
But what about the "lurkers"? I mean what about those who look into this forum , have the fiances and desire to go but hesitate to go into an unfamiliar part of town - much less a distant unfamiliar country where there are no Holiday Inns?
The 19 of 20 of us (95% never go visit the ladies) might just need some impetus and though being "manly" isn't best exihibited by this behavior - its a small fault as faults go.
These guys are just as deserving to escape the tortuous fate of being stuck with western women as the rest of us are.
I will admit - I would not have made my intitial trip to Ukraine had it not been that if I got into trouble - there was an organization I could have leaned on for help. Just as Lewis and Clark had their canoes - I needed a vehicle for my first trip.
Having experienced that, however, I made my second trip to Moldova where I only knew two people - and my third trip to Latvia where I didn't know a soul or have any backup organization whatsoever.
But for that first trip I NEEDED something.
Maybe what THESE guys, the 95%, NEED is an organizer.
Everyone bashes Socials around here. This guys plan might be (only might be) less expensive.
By the way - in Moldova there are no Holiday Inns, no EconoLodges, no Red Roof Inns, no Ramada or Sheratons either. That seems to surprise some people. There ARE McDonalds EVERWHERE!!
In all three of the principal cities I have spent my nine-plus weeks in which were Odessa, Chisinau and Riga.
I saw McDonalds everywhere in Russia too. And in EVERY place they were the busiest store of all. Always packed. I laugh when I think how we are ruining the Russian (and all Eastern European) diet and exporting obesity. But the kids there seem to love it!
They were packed in most of the cites I visited as well - but it seemed that hald the people in some locations (especially Riga) were from other countries altogether. As I've mentioned before - if you are making $60 to $150 per month ($2 to $5 per day) - you think twice before spending $3 on a Big Mac without fries or anything.
Going in A group Does not Mean one needs there Hand Held.
We are all still Individuals:) And as far as those who do not go alone
will fail that is crap..
Those who have gone alone have also failed many times.........
You put social people together and see them more likely
to send signals to Women that there Natural settings at home
are Mixed with other friends and thats life.
1. going as A group also gives you bonds for doing
future things together. If your Women meets other
Ladies that are from her country when she gets here
maybe she will feel better about life abroad.
2. Once you step off the plane and you want to go
your own way there is nothing stating you have to hang around
with anybody, Just A little kick in the ass to get you off the dam couch
and lets make this Happen.
3. I am the furthest thing from being cheap...... or afraid to
travel alone. I don't think by saving everyone a couple grand
is being cheap only smart.... Your going to need it anyway
for other things outside of the group.
4. If someone had there Ducks in a row and wanted to
plan an organized trip with lots of homework all ready
Done, I would be glad to go and enjoy myself.
I have been on way less rewarding trips.
I wonder if the social would offer a group rate? That sounds kinda fun,even if I am a lone wolf. There is protection in numbers. It could be National Lampoon Presents Russian Bride Holiday. That would be cool. Take in some investors,make a movie. Sell it to Discovery Channel.. OKM you can be the promoter/host and we will recruit one of this site`s FSU vets as a guide.
ST's idea would be great if you can make it work. Can't see how though. When you have guys going to different countries/towns and at differing times, the chances of gathering enough together in one place are slim. Then there is the possibility of dropout in the first couple of days, guys seduced by local sirens. Then you have the complaints from the ladies that men have been writing to...
I agree with both you two, It would be Kiev and like you said this tour would be for Guy's that are not in Love with one woman all ready.
I do not see any one yet stepping to the plate to take me up on my Idea
I am going in september come hell or High water, So the thought crossed my mind to invite others that wanted to meet many women. I am getting sick of this email Crap and Boring chit. I need to see with what eyes I have and
feel the person. Hell this email thing could go on forever, So far I have done homework much homework and we all know there are Pro's that only
want to email back and forth. Some profiles I have seen go back to
2003 and I am sure some know of longer ones.
If her Profile is up for that long
two things come to my Mind she either is not ready to committ or she is 12 sandwichs short of A Picnic.
or you are looking for what the others are not. look at the girls 35+; not a lot of interest in most of them but I prefer a little history with my babe.
OKM,
Your sentiments on this e-mail fantasy closely paralells mine . I got sick of the shit also . It is crap and boring as hell. It is also very predictable. I said the same thing your saying one and a half years ago and almost everyone disagreed with me. So i said fuck it all , i am going to a social to actually meet real people and look into their eyes and actually be close enough to know if they farted. It is better over there than here. OKM, i can`t wait till you fly over and come back. If your going to kiev , talk to me .
Spirit you would have to come with also as the Director and Stunt Double for
me:)
When I could not perform you would have to come in. OH OPPS
That is considered A tag team and by Discovery standards
we would only be allowed to film from the waist up :)
JMO, I am going to kiev and nothing is changing my mind and if people want to get the same taste as me than they are welcome to join me and have some fucking fun because nothing is better than face to face and I am not even going to compare an email to the real deal...............................