Oh, guys, that's not a very nice thing to say about all the girls from Lugansk judging by experience with just few of them. I'm from Lugansk myself and have been married to American for over 5 years now. We live in UK and I know several more girls who married though our agency and live in UK and even more girls who married though our agency and moved to US. We still keep in touch with the most of them. Yes, for some marriage didn't work, while others are still married, but that statistics could be applied to any marriage international or not.
The agency can only help you meet a suitable match and it's in your power to make the marriage work, only you are.
Now, I can see mostly men discussing here girls from different places of former USSR, sharing the stories about them being scammed. But none of the men actually say a word about themselves, their age or much of the circumstances...how come? Or do they believe that their nationality is their best trait? Of course scam is a nasty business and a lot of people unfortunately making money on it, but that again, you are only getting what you have asked for.
MEN, YOU ARE BEING SO UNREALISTIC IN YOUR SEARCH! Through the agency I deal with different clients who come from all over the world of all ages, and the most common thing I come across is men in the 40s, 50s looking for a girl twice younger...what's up with that? The ladies of such age will never pay attention to them in their country so why do they think it should be any different in Ukraine/Russia...? Ok, 10, 20 years difference became some kind of norm nowadays in this business, but guys, I address all of those of you who are young in their hearts and not so young looking, DO BE REALISTIC! If you are looking for a long- term relationship, consider dating ladies closer to your age, to avoid disappointment or denial of such marriage from parents of these girls younger than yourselves.
I know-I know, a lot of you will object, since those young girls contacted you first...but of course they did, or their agency did, but you are a grown up men and should know better. No offence, but do think back through your experience, did you have a lot of young very attractive ladies paying attention to you in your country? I bet most of you will say no (not out load of course), than think what is this young lady after, if she is writing to a man twice her age? Ask her! Yes, ladies in their 20s might be after fun, adventure, experience...but don't be surprised if several years later the lady grow up and leave you.
Oh, Gosh, I'm being so hash here...but men, somebody need to shake you!
Ok, some words of encouragement. As I have already mentioned, marriages with 10-20 years difference are possible and happening all the time and I should know, I run a dating agency for over 7 years now. There' re a lot of good men in their 40s, 50s and even 60s who contact us and find their true love. Just be realistic in your search, don’t get fixed on the most popular ladies of the agency, do your homework on the agency you are working with and keep your expectations at bay until you actually meet the lady in person. Don't postpone the trip for more than 3-6 months.
Be skeptical but open-minded at the same time, do consider meeting ladies suggested by the agency, they might know better. I had so many cases when men will pick a lady from catalogue but won’t like them in person and the other way around.
As for the agencies who do not provide men with real contact information of the girls...Run-Run-Run from them. Any reputable agency will gladly provide men with the real contact information of the girls. There's nothing they lose if they are legitimate. Yes, there are Internet cafes in Lugansk, but no, not many girls will want to correspond with men on their own, first because it's expensive to use Internet cafe, and the dating agencies charge women nothing, second security wise. Our agency for example screens ladies as well as men. And never denies men girls true contact information. However since 6th March 2006 US citizens are obliged to comply with IMBRA act. As of January 5, 2006, the President of the United States signed into law the Violence Against Women and the Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005 (H.R. 3402) which contains the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 (Subtitle D).
We also run men's names through a sex assault database in US.
So until you actually meet with the lady, there's no sense for her to drop out of agency.
we do understand all that Anna,
i am sure if you ask any guy here you will get a fair and honest answer from most of them,
better odds then a lot of women from your side.
but your agency's in lugansk! they are something else.
OK i have only used one agency there but the interpreter i have befriended has nothing nice to say about most of its women, if one agency is like this..."her words lies and cheaters"
age is irrelevant, if there's a character match wheres the problem!!
wheres has this hang up on age come from, life's to short to worry about such.
most of the scams or maybe we will call it just trying to gain funds off a searcher, for me i have found most of it comes back to lugansk.
i am using free sites now,
i am either getting some type of agency soliciting profiles out of lugansk saying they are from somewhere different then asking for money for interpreting, yet ip traces are lugansk. this happens after 4 or so letters are sent each way.
some of the sad-est storeys I've had are from lugansk and only wanting one thing.
don't get me wrong, i liked lugansk, its just anything involved in computers "that place takes the cake".
from all my experiences in Ukraine lugansk i really enjoyed and dose hold good memory's.
i am not a city person Alex, really i cannot stand them, my stay was cafes watching people and meeting, bit shopping.
i would have loved to have explored more in the outer regions, but not speaking Russian its a little difficult.
i guess Alex its finding that little bit of english would be a real pleasure.
i did not now about you before this trip, other then wonder who he is?
i will never forget having a beer in this cafey, these guys sat down next to me.
they pulled out a nice bottle vodka and snacks just brought from shop next door, this filled most of the table.
they all played with this bottle before it was cracked open.
the cafe attendant arrives with shot class and smile(i don't think they new each other), they ordered something small, few beers and other food stuffs.
this went on for hours, for i left and came back.
what I'm getting at, how relaxing is that, you just cannot do this in my world.
Anna, a very good and realistic post. You heard it guys, the real spin on this FSU MOB thing straight from the horse's mouth ( no offence meant, Anna ).
I am a 40 something guy, mid life and divorced 6 years now.
I think a lot of guys my age, get attracted to young 20 something women due to physical attraction and sexual fantasies, we go on a " a sexual nostalgia trip", think back to our 20's when we were first married and young and think how good sex and other things were but we forget that its 20 years on now and we are in our 40's or whatever and things are different. Of course its every older guys fantasy to root a girl, 20 years younger but you can't build or make a relationship based on sex.
I have made some fundamental mistakes before I gave up on international dating.
I wrote to some girls 15 to 20 years younger than me and really I had no business to do that because I was too old for them and only deluding myself and then I cry "scammer, scammer" when it goes to the shit, yeah sure, some girls did scam me out of small amounts of money ( I call it little wake up stings!) but in a few cases I set myself up for it by even writing to someone too young, be it none of the girls I wrote to were under 24, when I was 40..its too much of an age gap to start with.
I waffle on about the $75 darts set I gave a Krivoy Rog girl, yes she did ask me to help her with that and I sent it as a gift, it was not to buy love, it was too help her out and some idiots here think I cried scammer over that which is not the case at all, what happenned, I found 4 reports from other guys on her, took a lot of looking and investigation and I determined this girl was not interested in marrying or leaving Ukraine at all, just to gain a little by financial advantage and stuff from gullible guys, that was the gist of it, so why would you want a visit a girl that had scam reports on her, the cloud of constant doubt hanging over your head, you can't trust someone you have never meet and only talked to over the internet..its never going to work in such a case, you can't place faith in a girl thats been reported as a scammer by 4 different guys.
Maybe these 4 guys had sour grapes because it did not work out with her so they smeared her in scam reports on a web site as a sort of vendetta, I don't know but in such cases its too dangerous to make positive assumptions and assume she is totally innocent of any wrong doing...you can't risk a personal trip in these circumstances and also I had no business writing to her, she was only 25, even though she said she liked writing to me and did not mind the age difference, they are just only words, they will say what you want to hear and its not true...lying words on a computer or out of the mouth, they are the same thing!
Be realistic, Anna is right!
I gave up on international dating, I don't think its right for me, I can't find true girls suitable for me and my age over the internet...I deluding myself!
Alex
I was there in Aug 2006 and I had pleasant trip S agency looked after me but hassle getting put in apartments 20 floors up with medievial keys to try open lock reopeen doors!
Whats wrong hotels I saw one opposite Puppet Theatre in park!
It is reasonably safe I liked pavement work in square which shows things are on improve
Internet Cafe under the street!(suprise)it could easily be charming former Soviet town!
The Ukrainians are proud of their towns if politics aside Ukraine can get hold on its future and Ive heard some promising stories and I am optimist and family linked to former Aussie PMs then 30~40 years from now well see changes in Ukraine!
New fast train to Kharkov opened last month will make it quick to get eastern Ukraine
and if you are interested into Russia as Moscow isnt too far away from Kiev etc!
Once EU settles!(maybe hope) then it will change!
Michael
Sydney Australia
Alex
Most people would put Lugansk as their 1000th place to visit!
You still cant get English maps of Ukraine towns or little about whats there!
What is Kiev authority doing to promote tourism
or does President thinks its still too risky politically!
The mind set never changes it is country great potential even with its sad history!
Ps Uni behind where I live runs Ukrainian studies contact them many students go Ukraine!
www.mq.edu.au
Michael
Sydney australia
Did you send me mail!
What was wrong!
Dont put things on forum unless you can be absolutely sure not discredit people unintentionally!
Reply to me ASAP!
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you should have got message, its top right hand side, log on, click on message.
or give me email if ya like, may interest you.
if you have got her away from agency you are sweet, no worries.
there's always a percentage of real ladies even in real bad agencys, if you are paying i would be a bit uneasy.
if you have met her couldn't get rid of interpreter and still paying well that would make me real uneasy.
don't use any agency flower services, your photo may be a bunch of flowers doing the rounds of 40 women and 180 photos, who knows.
if lady keeps herself attached to agency the odds is shes no good.
have you been at the office of S-Agency? have you spoken with them? have you met with their ladies?
i have been to the ukraine Lugansk a week ago. it is not too bad city but they have a LOT of beautiful ladies. I met three of them from S-Agency. We were on Pharaon night club. You can see there so many ladies and no men :0))) if you will be in Lugansk I offer you to go that club & you will meet so many yang & sexy girls there.. belive me any big marriage agency does not have so many yang sexy girls & all of them are real..
i have been at the S-Agency office,. they look like serious agency. its big office in the center of the city with 15 - 20 workers & Irina showed me some
kind of legal document but i do not understand russian. So, i do not know what was it ..
yes i have met lady through them via Anastasia, maybe more i didn't care at time who was from where, didn't go to there office.
i also have a friend who worked for them, told me nothing good about them.
also another person who helped me in my involvement in lugansk.
wouldn't trust there women either from what my dealings were, they keep them tight.
who knows my friend might have had a run in with them, this other person also could be telling me crap and i got a women that only looked like she was employed all the way by them.
but really all the digging i did about them and lady, i found only fools gold:)
i don't like agency's john they are not there to help you if you are new to this as i was then.
it seems to take us some time to understand them so we can use them instead of them using us for dollar spent.