I don't talk shit, mate!
I married a foreign girl years ago and bought her to Australia and went through the fiance visa process so I speak from experience as I did it all myself without lawyers or immigration specialists.
Things are a bit different in Australia in immigrating one of these girls..its a lot tougher.
I can only speak from an Australian perspective for the benefit of any Aussies who visit here and want to find out the ins and outs of bringing an FSU woman to Australia.
Writing to a girl for 6 weeks and then going on a trip to meet her does not satisfy our immigration requirement of knowing her long enough to get a fiance visa.
You must have known her at least 6 months including the personal trip and provide evidence of all correspondence and phone calls to her as well as the trip with photos of you and her together, statutory declarations of the relationship from her family as well as yours before youh ave any chance of getting a fiance visa for her.
Its not written on our immigration web sites..its an internal policy of the immigration case officers who make the decision to grant or deny a fiance visa..I know because I know someone who works in immigration in Australia and our requirements are tougher than the US.
I wish people good luck who find an honest FSU girl and succeeding in getting her to your country.
I was once active for about 8 months in the internet dating scene but meet nothing but scammers and I quit 9 months ago with this business and found a local girl who I have been with ever since.
I think there are far more disappointments than successes with this internet dating thing.
Theres a lot of time, money and diffiuct legalities in getting a FSU (fORMER SOVIET UNION COUNTRY) bride..think it through and have plenty of money as it is a very expensive process and money can not buy a visa for her.
Goodluck to all that proceed with it.
Aussieman,
When you ask if a guy has a photo of the lady that he plans to meet you are talking shit. Are you suggesting a guy travels and is attracted to a lady that he hasn't so much seen a photo of?
You refererred to others advice as shit but you reitterated much of the same 'shit'?
Why the fock would I want to go to France when my wife is in Ukraine? And beg my pardon, I hadn't appreciated that you are the only guy on this planet that has dated FSU ladies or gone thru a visa process and please beg my pardon also for my outrageous behaviour of daring to agree with another on this forum!
Aussie, who said we ever visit out girl only once before applying for visa. A relationship requires you meet the girl, fall in love, then apply for visa. Writing letters is good but meeting her can not be done over the internet. We hear alot about scammers because "bad news" travels better than good news. Most of the girls are real and most search for true love. Every country has share of scammers, whores and crooks. Let's judge these ladies by the good and not by the bad we hear.
I looked one month, found my lady and wrote her for two months, and went for visit after two months. I will return in 6 weeks again; again a month after that and again; only for a few days each time because I can not get off work but I can visit on weekends. Nothing, no one will stop me from being with my love and all your keyboard romatics can continue to write romantic letter and loose.
I respect the opinions of others and everyone has an opinion. There is saying in America: "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink". Well, your opinion stinks!
I love these guys that married an FSU girl and are bitter; well tuff, maybe you should have invested more of yourself to your relationship.
Wow...I been to a lot of different forums regarding women from FSU and related countries. Reading what people have said and done. Every side has a story. I'm no expert about Russain Scams. But I have done my homework. And yes, it is still not enough. No matter what you do in the beginning of a relationship you would have to use good judgement. Don't matter where they are from. Right now, I've met a girl from Russia. Been emailing each other for month and half. Never talked about money. We just talked about common interest, simple day to day questions, and so, so. We do have a lot in common. And yes, she gradually started liking me and then finally said that she "loved me" but knows that we have to met to be sure. Yea, she did mention how great it would be if we did meet. So, I figure hmmmm....visa.....etc...letter coming soon. Well, she did said that she went to a Travel Agency to find some information about people visiting Russia. Not about coming to US. I was surprised. She didn't even asked about me visiting. Next email, she did talked about how hard it is with all the documents. So, she knows that she would not be able to come to US. That's when I told her that, I'll visit her. She was happy. I do have her address and all. Could not find anything about her, her pictures or email when I google it. My next step is to talk to her. She did say she does not have a phone. She is willing to goto her local telephone company to call me. Do I really know if she is for real or just a very good scammer? I don't know. But, one thing I am tired is always checking on different scam site to see if she was posted there or not. Reason, is cause all the negative remarks I read about it. Only way to find out is to go and visit her. Who knows, we might not be right for each other when we do meet. Worst come to worst, I get to visit a city that I've never thought of going. And of course I'll have fun doing it. Bottom line is this...I want to do it because I want to. If she turns out to be a scammer, then be so. But, if she is for real...who knows what it would lead to. But, I will use my good judgement and follow the guides of what not to do on the internet (like sending money). I wish you all luck and hopefully I'll be able to finish my story.
Spooky;
Sounds like you've got your head screwed on straight! I'm of the same mind-set. Heading to Kiev on Dec 26th. I write to a few women, but none know that I'm coming yet.... I'll sort through them & see which one's I want to meet on this trip.... I figure the best plan is to go & find out what it's all about and make it a great time, regardless of what pans out & what doesn't with the ladies!
Might be able to meet her in Mexico, or Jamaica... but what's the point.... Unless she's an orphan, you're going to have to know & deal with her family on a regular basis.....
i consider it to be better to meet her the first time at her homeland. you will see how she acts in her normal situation, meet maybe her family, will learn about the situation of the country and from this all together to understand, why and how her character is following the sourrounding circumstances.
meeting her in a third country will show you only any kind of holiday feeling, but won´t show her complete and real chracter.
Better to to her country and meet her, her family and friends..you can find out a lot more about the girl this way as she will behave naturally in her "natural enviroment"
I did this with my first foreign wife (she was not from FSU) and stayed with her family 3 weeks, spent a lot of time with her and fell in love and arranged a fiance visa to Australia as that is the best way to get them in to most Western countries and also the quickest..it took only 11 weeks to cut the papers but she was from South Pacific and I was well organised with the paperwork and evidence requirements.
I suggest you stay with the girl at least a month in her country and if she works, go in her vacation time if possible to visit her to maximise quality time to get to know her.
In FSU rent a self contained apartment ( that is with all facilities to live ) for a month.
Be careful of scammers and novelty women ( not serious girls who only want you to pay for shopping sprees and no intention to marry ie professional daters or "whores" who date for financial advantage )
Use anti-scam advice in the forums and elsewhere and background investigation of girl to verify identity and address eg florist delivery service to send her flowers and chocolates, they take a photo of her receiving gift after asking for identity papers from her..all FSU people have an "internal passport" for travelling between FSU countries only which is separate from an "international passport" for travel outside the FSU.
Purchase "Elena Petrovas" anti-scam guide e-book and "How to marry a girl like me" e-book both very useful sources of info...these books were useful and helped me detect scammers and also to write proper intro letters.
People have attacked me in here..I have nothing against FSU women..I have had a bad experience with scammers but I did correspond with a few FSU women whom I think were honest and genuine but correspondence did not continue ( it did not pan out) and I was left with correspondence with scammers and after about 12 months decided that FSU brides were not for me and that I was not really emotionally and psychologically ready to re-marry again and make the committment after a bad divorce anyway..maybe in a few years when I have had some "breathing space" but at moment "marriage" scares me off as one marriage to a foreign girl went off after 12 years and kids were involved an it was a bloody nightmare for 2 years in the family court to sort it out.
I imagine how "romantic" everything is, no vacation trips, somebody wotching you a month, taking control photos of your deliveries and pasports, hires detectives to look your backround and read stupid book how to find wife. It must to be really desperate girl who wants to date such kind of man:):):)
Interesting point Annika...
We have agencies posting photos of women who don't exist... or are not registered with them...
We have agencies who write letters on behalf of their women to get guys to spend more $$$...
We have women who are not who they say they are, or are not even women, trying to get guys to send money so they can disappear and move on to the next victim....
What exactly is it that you suggest we do to protect our own interests against all of this???
Whether you read a book, or use this forum to gain knowledge about the FSU & how things operate... what's the difference? Should we all just jump on a plane and go blasting off into unknown territory with NO prior knowledge or experience?
What is it that you suggest men do when they take interest in a woman thousands of miles away?
Spend thousands of dollars only to show up in a foriegn country to find out they've become a victim of someone's half-baked scheme? The men who are actually ABLE to travel to the FSU to meet these women are not the stock-boy in the local grocery store. They are men with interests and assets to protect. So again I ask, what is the alternative you suggest?