1/ Forget about Russian woman. They want just a green card and economic benefits. You the western man is irrelevant
2/Forget Mail order bride sites like Anastasia , scanna , elenas models
All corrupt with fake profiles and a view to making you buy credits
3/ Remember that if you do get your russian woman over to your country she wont stay
They will return
4/Dont believe the tired old shit "russian men are bad ,I want a family"
They want security and to be fed grapes on a beach. They will only hassle you . every man I have met with a russian woman has been very happy that the relationship ended....
Im reffering to the pretty russian girls. If you want old creatures with kids then you can get that in your country
Dont believe the 1 dimensional tripe that old men on this site vomit.
They are naive and happy to be laughed at and manipulated.
Ask any Russian woman independantly about what i say and she will agree....
You are insignificant and I want novice people reading this site to understant the reality
Only two explanations for Vanechka's reason for living in this forum:
1. SHE is a western woman whose man left her when she refused to lose her extra 60 lbs, grow her hair to a feminine length, cook his meals after a hard days work and stop abusing the family credit.
2. HE is an FSU man with a good russian-english translator hell bent on doing what he can to discourage western men from seeking, meeting, loving and marrying the wonderful FSU women...."I pity the fool" -Said Mr. T -
Izi,
Come on, mate...you can be more creative than that, lol
Why dont you get fiance.com to put an entire page of facts , realities on your websites.. Warn men what they are up against... Stop thinking about profits all the time
vanechka, read forum. everything you said is posted and discussed already. nobody tell you that your facts are wrong. People tell you that your facts are not 100% true and proven, and they show you their own facts. so please stop posting to every thread. We got you, we understood you. Keep one thread going and see if somebody wants to argue with you. So. Tell yourself hundreds of time the same things. Who wants to read it will read it. Read forum, all facts are here. Stop accusing everybody here.
What you going to ban me because im not promoting your business. Ill post to every thread that is fabricated misguided ... What you need to do is teach the girls on your site a lesson on what they face in another country. Ask them a million times. put them in a course to make sure they know what they are doing .. then and ONLY then will you have the right to say you are a responsible website and one that can ask money honestly off men . getting them off the street and shoving pretty faces on your website is a joke and it will fizzle out....
Vanechka;
1) I haven't met a woman yet that didn't consider "economic benefits" when choosing a prospective mate. If you want a good woman from ANY country, you better have something to offer first. If she's looking to hook up with a loser who has nothing to offer, she's a slut, you don't want her.... Neither does anyone else... which is why she is the way she is....
2) I'm sure there are some profiles that are embellished, but to say the profiles are all fake is probably reaching a little far don't you think? My guess is that there are quite a few MEN who post profiles who are not what they claim to be either.... So goes the dating game, no matter what country you're in.... Buying Credits: If I pay a few bucks to read a lady's letter and it doesn't pan out.... chalk it up to cheap entertainment (kind of like viewing your posts on this forum). If a couple hundred bucks every now & again to correspond with these women is setting you back too much, you probably can't afford to court any woman from anywhere, much less foot the bill to meet & court her in her own country, bring her home, have a wedding, & provide for the basic needs of a family.
3) She won't stay..... ? You're probably right... If you've lied to her and move her into an efficiency apartment in Detroit rather than the nice suburban home on Lake St. Clair that you told her you lived in... or if you suddenly turn into a controlling, egotistical pig once you get her home! If you treat these women (or any woman for that matter) like a pet, a piece of property, or second rate citizens, of course they're not sticking around. No one would!
I would EXPECT her to want to return home at least a couple of times each year to be with family. Actually, another home in Ukraine would be a welcome addition to my portfolio. I hear real-estate investments in Lithuania & Ukraine are doing very well!
4) Don't worry.... I don't believe for a minute that ALL Russian men are bad, or unable to provide for a family. I'm sure there are some exceptional men in Russia who provide for their families very well, and who treat their wives with the dignity & respect they deserve. I'm also sure there are just as many dead-beat men in Russia who treat their wives like dirt, as there are in here in the States!
Every woman I've ever met wants security, and being treated like a queen doesn't bother them much either. If they're hassling you, maybe you're better off on your own! Obviously, you haven't met any of the men on this site who seem to be very happy with their wives. I wonder how many men you have ever met who have actually married a Russian woman???
I'll be happy to ask several Russian women independently what they think of your thoughts on these subjects... as a matter of fact, I'll book the flights to Kiev & St. Pete right after I post this!
(I was going to book a Dec 26th flight tonight anyway);o)
Worst case scenario: You're right (god forbid), and I get to see some of the greatest places the FSU has to offer.... If the women don't pan out, I'm going to make it a fantastic journey anyway!
On the other hand... I might find that the women are just as wonderful as reported by others in this forum and have to extend my stay and go to Kaunas as well...
Since I don't think you're done being a pain in the a$$ to the people in this forum I'll let you know how it turns out when I return on January 20th.
Sorry to take so much of your time with this long post Vanechka. I'll let you get back to "boxing the clown" in your mother's basement, suckin' dick for grocery money, or whatever it is that you do outside this forum that makes you such a bitter little troll.....
At the time 'it' posts, and going by it's email address I'd guess European. Interesting previous use of the word 'cretin', I don't believe that word is taught in English lessons thus I'd say a native English speaker.
Obviously trying to avoid it's true nationality by using a Russian name as a handle so I'd guess that it is also trying to avoid it's true gender by using a female handle.
Thus, it is a native English speaking male, I did guess at Europe but I guess that prick from Australia could also come into the equation. Been dumped, not prepared to get back on the horse and try again, all bitter and twisted, it is tearing him up inside, do we give a shit, NO!
Well... After getting through all this shit in every thread produced by one complete idiot I've got 2 alternative wishes to chose from....
1) To divorce my shining-beautiful, smart and incredibly caring Tatyana. To leave this terrible country with all these terrible women for perhaps Australia(if Olga is right). To marry an Australian fat, arrogant, materialistic pig and to suffer from it for the rest of my "saved" life.
2) Alternative two... To hammer a nail(preferably not shorter than 10 inches) in the head of a useless creature who projects his own miserable experience on all the surrounding men. I give you my word that this dude was so damned disgusting for the woman he tried to get that although Australia is a nice(pretty nice I would say) place, she had to leave it just not to see and listen to this idiot.
I told you already that 4 or every 5 guys doing this dating are either poor or mentally disabled or sexually perverted. So I wouldn't be surprised if in in this particular case we have several factors combined...
To prevent myself from being accused in defending the dating industry that feeds me I official inform people that in the last two months the above mentioned industry brought me around 37$ of pure income. Not too worthy defending...
So, Olga, one big request. Ban this e-mail and IP for the forum! We all like positive attitude and positive criticizm here and with such MF's the forum begins to stink...
The email address says it all 'Curious'. Another prick who sits behind a keyboard reading and talking about it, no intent whatsoever of getting out there and doing it and is jealous of those that do, those that can afford to, those that have the balls to, 'Curiosity Killed The Cat' as they say.
I LOVE THREADS LIKE THIS !!!!!! It reminds guys like me why we are looking for a foreign wife. It provides encouragement to keep on this long treacherous road.
Olga.... let vanechka live !!!! Watching him get smoked on every thread will encourage newcomers to pursue what this website has to offer. The arguements the others put upon totaly vanquished vanechka weak arguements. vanechka is a great marketing tool. By getting completely torn apart on every level, guys like vanechka create guys like me.
Mindwire, great post. I notice vanechka did not try to answer your articulate logic.
The undecided who look at this website will probably join in the chase.
a special THANKS to vanechka for being so pesimistic. You inspire us all!!!!! Dont change. You have given me the hope i need to write that next letter, buy that next plane ticket, to risk all in the pursuit of love and happiness.
and if I ever get as down as Van I hope I have the strength to "take one for the team" and put a bullet in my head to rid the world of scum such as this.
But I do not agree we need him giving us his twisted viewpoint, if he was spouting off truth then yes-bring it on. But he is just offering lies and negative comments without factual data to support his views. We all know the pitfalls of dating a lady 6000 plus miles away. We have all spend the past week exchanging jabs with this loser, let's get back on track and discuss the details of our future trips, the pitfalls of sending money to our girls, the costs and savings on airflights, how to get from point a to point b, the taste of russian food, etc.
I support the rights of anyone to express their views, but let's stick to one or two expressions and then move on to the next topic. Van has not express any views about anything except about us "losers". I have clearly heard his viewpoint and I am done with it. Let's move on.
You all obviously dont understand a word i say. its all one dimensional. its scary
If people actually stipulated the reality instead of pretending it doesnt exist and attacking people for realistic views then this would be a forum with some credibility
If anyone can discount anything i say then prove it???
russian mail order bride business started 15 years ago. find me 1 couple who is still together???
Then hit the road asshole! All you have done for the last week was run your sorry assed mouth, with nothing to back up your allegations but a lot of bullshit and attacking members here in this forum. You couldn't find a woman in a whorehouse you idiot. Now I understand why so many australian women can't stand their men. You're nothing but wind cake you fool, all blow and no dough.
Cite the case of ripoffs or shut up. Hell we've heard all the stories some have even experienced them, so what value do you bring? Not a damn thing. All your statements are incredulous and can't be proven. How many people do you know that have married Russian or Ukrainian women?
As for agencies most of us know that they are bullshit. I didn't go through an agency to meet and become engaged to the lady I am now. You traveled to Ukraine on business? What were you selling? Same things agencies do, we all sell in some capacity. But my sorry assed fool you couldn't sell pussy on a troop ship.
Cite the frauds with agencies, you want to become the great educator of the foolish here. So give us some examples. Tell me all you know I have 5 seconds of my life to spare to hear all you know about the dating agencies and the women of the FSU.
The only biased idiot her is you. Oh by the way since so are so much more incredibly smarter than anyone else here, well all have biases. Your's are banal and innane. Vanechka you are the most ignorant person ever to post on this forum.
lets start with Anastasia.. Now thats a business who survives on losers like you... only 1 visit to a site like that makes the stupidest of men realise. And they are all virtually the same...
I know of about 100 marriages that have taken place in the last 10 years .none survived ive been to ukraine since 1990 before mail order brides became fashionable... I know most of the agencies
Ive never married a ukrainian girl because its so obvious what they want... the sexy ones im taklking of... So tell me mike you think a sexy ukrainian girl will leave ukraine and live in a western culture.?? Anastasia seems to think so and all those other corrupt places .. the bias isnt in my articcles its in their website propaganda.. But you know what the smell is getting around. Thank god for Current Affair programs. In Australia we have had some great programs exposing the facts... Maybe you should ask those many men what happened to them... The amazing thing is in Russia they prepare the Ukrainian girl by showing here videos in the consulate on what to do if western men do something "bad" to you... They dont have that for men ... its all 1 sided. . And I would say agencies are going to lose business every year...