Do you like Odessa, and how does it compare to Kharkov ?,
I liked Kharkov very much, i have not been to odessa for abot 2 years now,but I guess like everywhere it has changed a lot ?
once this white stuff disapears from the roads I am going to have a drive to Odessa and Nikolaev, and have a look around,
althought the weather is Ok here, once you head north the roads are iced over,
I tryed to drive to Odessa last weekend but the weather took a turn for the worst so I only got as far as Kherson ! which does not seamed to have changed much since the last time i was there,
with the girls you need to have all options open,
its good to have one or two to meet when you get here, but sometimes a trip to the supermarket can be as good as anything !and if all else fails you can always pay the local agences a visit
Hi Deano, thanks for asking in another, now polluted thread:) We're doing great!! I never went back to Kharkov. My wife went back three times so far. We're inviting her parents next year here in the states. When I was in Kharkov, I spent most of my two weeks in an apartment, having a premature honeymoon:) so I wouldn't be able to tell the differences in how the city looked then and how it looks today. I'm not a big fan of Ukrainian cities, but hey I know you're not going there only to see the buildings:) I jotted down your email and will talk to you directly next time. Hope everything's going well and wish you the best, take care.
Your suggestion of this remark in previous post: "I'm strictly no kids. I can find a thousand hot single moms here in the states if I wanted to go that route."
I can not locate these Hot Ladies in the states since I have visitation with my 3 kids and Hot USA Ladies have told me "I have been raising my family and have no desires to raise second family since all I want to do now is have some fun!!!!"
I wasted 6 months of my time with USA Women and Now I am devoted to my special Lady in the Ukraine!!!!
I glad that my requirments will allow me to select from a large group of ladies in Kharkov.
Otherwise Deano your posts was very good and informative about Kharkov. I will have to contact you via email once I get closer to leaving for Kharkov next year 2006.
Here is some responses I got back from Helen of "allBeautiful" Agency regarding the earlier post questions of "Translator costs" and "If Ladies are paid to meet their men clients???"
This is Helen's response regarding Translator questions if it can be adjusted for "Full Tour Package" service.
"To answer your question on interpreter costs, you are comparing two different programs - Tour and Individual meetings, which is not correct. If you are taking the Tour, it includes the package,matchmaking, dating assistance, our expertise and guiding you while
you meet women, feedback from them after the meeting etc., so it is
not only interpreting services here. To answer your question, even if
you speak Russian, you will still need our help in guiding you or helping with women's feedback, reactions, cultural differences advice,
etc., wont you? And thus, the daily price of $115 cannot be adjusted.
On a Tour it all goes individually for each client, one client will need more translations daily (and our manager-dating expert will be
translating up to 8 hours a day, in some cases one day it can 10 or 11 hours even, another day - less hours, it all depends), and for other client it can be less general hours in translation, only dating guidance, if women the man choose speak English, or man speaks Russian, but as practice shows, men do require dating assistance and
feedback from the women, and help of the agency in cultural differences etc.
Then, Individual meetings. Some men have been to Ukraine for many
times already, and/or willing to save money, do not use full services
of our agency. Its their right of course, but in this case we are
responsible for organizing (scheduling) the meetings with the women.
And, providing for an interpreter, in case a woman does not speak English, and the man Russian. I hope you can see the difference."
I have a couple of questions for you regarding "Unlimited
Meetings with women from our agency" ???
Once I select Lady- Does your Agency check with her if she has interest in me???
Helen's response: "To answer your 1 question, yes we will show your profile and photo to
the lady before scheduling the meeting of course, and will arrange
this only if she wishes to (expresses interest in meeting you)."
Question 2: Does your Agency pay Lady to attend one on one Meeting with me. I have heard other Agencies in Ukraine will pay
their Ladies to attend meetings for 1 hour regardless of interest but lady will not tell man until 1 hour is used up in their meeting.????
2nd question on if fees are paid to their ladies: "your 2d question, we never do it, though I have heard about
disreputable agencies who do such things. Its very bad as can easily
ruin the reputation on the agency, and does not do any good to agency
in the long run."
I like the Fact that Helen's Agency is flexible and is a full service Agency that will go the extra mile for their clients. I received alot of positive responses from previous clients who are currently home now with their wonderful Ladies in their home Country!!!
I feel my preference is to use the "FUll Tour Program" since I will be Interviewing 16 Ladies a day for total of 4 days totaling 64 ladies!!!
Plus extra 5 day for followup!!!
Granted Everyone, Some ladies need to make it past the first 30 minutes before entering the second round that week. This may sound "HeartLess to some people??" but I do not plan on wasting my time on Ladies who have "No Chemistry with me!!!" I know I will be able to tell this within 5-10 minutes so I will only be wasting 20 minutes of hers and mine time!!!
Everyone, Does this sound like a good approach to take to fully Utilized the "Full Tour Program for One on One Meetings????"
Chris. Kharkov is awesome. It is still my favorite city in Ukraine. The only problem is during the summer the city empties out due to everyone going on holiday to Crimea and Odessa. I went to Odessa in August just for that reason. Follow the girls to the seaside! :) Well, Odessa is a great city too but I found during the summer it was a couples place. All the men take their girls to Odessa for holiday. And I think it is a great place for that. During the summer the beach clubs are open. The area is called Arcadia and there are about 6 beautiful huge discos to choose from. The city center itself is great and full of good restaurants, cafe's and shops. To meet a girl in Odessa is difficult. Most girls are with their man and the ones that aren't the competition is fierce. There are many Italians there and other foreigners. The pond is fished out during the summer. I'm hoping the winter will be different. The smaller winter clubs will be open in the city center and the competition will be less. And I plan to hit the local agencies harder this time.
Wtrav I'm glad to hear you're still happily married. This gives the rest of us hope. And I totally understand the pre-honeymoon action. I have spent a lot of quality time in my apartment too!
Tex if you are really going to power date 64 ladies in 4 days then you will need Helen's full service. Wow! Good luck on that one! I'm eagar to hear how that works out. Just be careful not to come off as an interview. Try to make it a nice get to know you meeting in a small cafe. Helen's office is not far from a metro station and a couple of nice cafes. It will come in handy for your girls. Show them respect and you will be rewarded with pleasant company from all of them you meet. Try not to make it into a production line. These girsl are clever and will pick up on it and you may lose one that you are truly interested in meeting another day. Helen does give you the feedback of certain dates. I remember one time I dated one of her girls. She only got the intro fee of $20 from me because I used my own interpreter so I didn't need any other service. A few day later Helen contacted me to inform me that the girl wanted me to know she is free the next day to meet me again. I wasn't interested but Helen took the time to let me know and she didn't have to do that. There was no money in it for her. Helen wants to make money but I feel she runs and honest business. Good luck.
Thanks for the Term "Power Date" If you do not mind, I will coin the Phrase "Power Dating".
I hope my Strategy will pay off!!!
Your right, I need to play it cool with the Ladies regarding Power Dating and let my interpreter take good notes then we will total the points for each lady at the end of the Interview. This way we will know who to invite later for second round.
To be Honest with you, I am a nice guy and will be very respectful to the ladies!!!
I still do not have all of my logistics worked out like you mention for the Power Dating interview process. I am really just trying to Max out my short 5-6 day stay in Kharkov.
If anyone has ideas on Power Dating please let me know?????
My last question is about comment on "It is still my favorite city in Ukraine. The only problem is during the summer the city empties out due to everyone going on holiday to Crimea and Odessa. I went to Odessa in August just for that reason. Follow the girls to the seaside! :"
Can you explain to me if this means that I will be in great shape since "Only Available and UNATTACHED LADIES will be left in Kharkov??"
Another reason might be that Kharkov will be slow(Ghost town)since everyone is on vacation???
What are the periods of time or months of year that you are talking about to take this Power Dating trip to Kharkov????
Ok here is the deal regarding the summer in Ukraine. June is exam month. This mean all your University girls 18-22 will be taking exams and will not be available for dating as much. This will not apply to your age group. July and August are vacation months for everyone. Especially August. The girls go to the seaside all over Crimea. The age groupl you are seeking will probably go to the seaside in August so stay away from the month. I think the best time to go for you will be April, May, June, September. The weather will be good and your ladies will be available. I didn't mean you were not a nice guy Tex. I understand your time is short there and you have the right idea to max out as much of it as you can. Just be careful not to give the dates the impression you are shopping them like items on the shelf. They will pick up on this. Helen and her interpreters will also be able to advise you on this. You don't have to hide the fact that you are meeting other ladies if they ask you directly about it. Just assure them that you are serious and willing to commit to the one you make the real connection with and if you do meet the one you are very interested in them be sure to let her know you are willing to return to spend more serious time with her and only her.
Thanks again for some "Good Solid Advice" in your post!!!
I am currently getting Helen to give me some exact Holiday dates from their Agency. Since I would like to use their "Full Tour Program". Helen also mentioned that Summer will NOT work for the "Full Tour Program" so I am looking for other options for Calendar Months.
I agree with you on your remark "I think the best time to go for you will be April, May, June, September. The weather will be good and your ladies will be available."
What is your feeling regarding 2nd trip on the following Questions:
Q1. The longest I can wait before making 2nd trip back followup??
Q2. After my first trip I still have 3-4 Ladies that I will email once I get back to USA.
Do you think this will send wrong message to Ladies "That I am a Player and not serious!!!
Hi, sorry I've been waylaid whilst attempting to converse with some penis's!
I've never done the agency thing but ideally you should be meeting with a lady within 3 months of the commencement of correspondence with her.
Should you meet a lady on your first outing who you want to see again, and her likewise, this should be, again, with a further 3 months.
FSU ladies are extremely intelligent, just from your body language they may detect that you are seeing other ladies, indeed they expect it, and you can never be sure what an agency may have told these ladies about you and your dating 'habits'. That's why I always liked to date independently, I could keep a straight face if I lied!
Martin is right about you can never be sure what the agency or the interpreters who work there will tell your ladies. Remember it is not in their best interest for you to succeed right away. The longer it takes you to find your dream girl the more money the make off of you.
Q1 answer: 3 months if she is weak or no English. 6 months if she speaks enough English to write you private emails and you can call her on the phone.
Q2 answer: If you can hide it then great. If you can't you will lose them all. They will not forgive you for a lie! No second chances with these girls. I would say 2 at the max. You must remember you are exposed more than they are. For example you girl is busy the next day because it is her grandmother's birthday. Fair enough. You wait to meet her the next day. Now reverse it. You have plans to date your second girl. What do you tell your first girl? Sorry babe, I can't see you tomorrow because I'm going to do what.............? You have no family there, No friends there, no job, no university, NO EXCUSE! You will have to lie to her and chances are she will see through it. Get my point? They are not stupid. I was able to pull it off many time because I had an interpreter who was also my very good friend and she would do most of the lieing for me. Even then many times I was busted.
As I understand it you are asking, let us say a lady shows interest in you today and you begin to correspond, how long she may be expected to wait for that first meeting bearing in mind that you might not find time to meet her on your next travels, I think I'm correct but please tell me otherwise if I'm incorrect.
Well if you start correspondence now, at the end of December, and your first trip may be planned for, let us say, the end of March then any lady will have already waited 3 months for a meeting and until such time as a meeting letters mean very little. It is doubtful that she will be writing to only you and it is a case of 'first come, first served.
Above, we have a discrepancy regarding whether your 2nd trip should be after a further 3 or 6 months so let's split the difference and say 4.5 months thus your 2nd trip may be in mid July.
Now, having commenced correspondence at the end of December you cannot expect a 'catchable' lady to wait 7.5 months for a meeting. Before posting her profile she should have thought seriously that she wants to meet a man, the operative here being the word 'meet', letters may be difficult for her to write and expensive for her to transmit and I have to be honest, I would become well bored a long time before 7.5 months elapsed.
In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, once you begin correspondence with a lady you need to meet with her within 3 months and when I say 'meet' I don't just mean a single date or single day. You have travelled halfway around the world to see, supposedly, only her and anyone knows that a guy doesn't travel to FSU for only one or two days.
Of course, if you realise pretty quickly that the two of you are not suited then by all means do a 'runner' but if she is a lady who you are attracted to, that you want to see again, you're most likely to lose her if you only occupy one or two days with her.
As for the ladies that you may expect to wait 7.5 months for that single date, forget them, you'll need to start writing to a fresh crop after your return from your 1st trip.
Regarding the dating agencies - I used CLUB 10 last year, not a dating Agency but an on line direct contact site. I have since sold up,emergrated, married and now help my Ukrainian wife run her business in Kharkov. We are often contacted by these dating agencies and they just seem to fleece the guys that come to meet these girls. The agencies rent the cheapest possible apartments and put the guys there for 3 days. It just makes me mad to see them in action. I have not heard of any good reports about the agencies. My advise is log on to a direct contact site, like I did. Yes I paid , but only $10 for an upgrade of membership. The rest was up to us directly. We spoke by skype and eventually I travelled to Ukraine. I cocked up the visa thing, but thats a different story !
There are lots of genuine ladies here of all ages looking for western men, really. The reason is that the guys here are mostly arrogant vodka heads who dont treat them like ladies. The women here are beautiful and most speak English.
There are many fantastic women here, but do you really think a gorgeous 20 year old girl will want a 50 year old guy ! - just dont believe everything thats said.
We have many friends here and yes the age gap can be 10-14 years sometimes, but it is not the norm.
I left England and started a new life and never looked back. The country and people are great fun. I didn't plan his , I think I was lucky.
I wish you all the best finding someone, they are all here waiting, but try to use your head and dont get scammed. I see it too much.
If I can be of any help when you get here , let me know. There is a very good free information website I found called kharkovinfo - it is full of independant advise.
These days, Kiev is covered with pro-Ukrainian slogans and signs, the yellow and blue of Ukraine’s flag popping out at everywhere. “Unified Homeland; Glory to Ukraine” one reads. In an area on the outskirts of Kiev, young volunteers paint rusting street guards yellow and blue, while also walking among cars in the street with a box hoping to collect money from drivers to offset the cost of the paint.