Does anybody out there see this phrase on many letters that end up coming from scammers? It seems most of the ladies I've dealt with that end up being dishonest always use this line somewhere in their correspondence. Is it just me?
RK... When i first read your post. i had to think if all the scammers i have been in touch with. After thinking about this for a minute i realize... you are about 75% correct!!!!.. and now im laughing my butt off. I have been through about 2 dozen scammers in the last 8 months. Not all scammers use it but most do.
felice...you're such an idiot. This was a post over a month ago with an observation, not a determining factor. Like viva, it made me laugh because 0ne-hundred percent of the one's that used that line in letters to me were scammers...proven! Multiple names, etc.
Don't feel sorry for me felice...other than your uncontsructive comments, I read all of the constructive feedback to my posts as a newbie and learned one heck of a lot. Now I am leaving next week for Ukraine to meet a few people and I am as sure as one can be at this point that they are good, legitimate ladies looking for a good, legitimate man, meaning me! :)
And by the way, I'm not a soldier, but a sailor, and not an "ex-sailor", as I proudly serve my country as a citizen/sailor in the US Navy Reserve.
Viva...I'm laughing with you, because it made me laugh when I kept seeing it! As you say, not all, but most.
Here's a few words from a girl who has been writing me a couple of weeks and I had her figured out from day one!
"My parents have asked me to speak you GREETINGS from them!"
Now, here comes the lead in for the money:
"But in our situation there is one nuance.
My sister now cannot send me money because she now is on trip, and cannot use any money transfer to send me the money.
I don't know at what country they exactly are now.
Do you understand me lovely?
It means that now we are compelled to wait long time, when my sister with husband will return from tour.
It is a pity to me, because I want to be with you as soon as possible!
Also I do not want to wait.
May be I am an idiot but at least not a dependant, blunt soldier "sir-yes-sir" having no own will and man's courage. Such peple as you don't seek for a girl in FSu because they are better for him than the locals but because he is not good enough for the local chicks. All this will lead to is another failure story "another one bites the ground" and another triumph minute to such morrons as that real idiot Vanechka. Another mizerable thread "They are all scammers! Mum take me home, plese..." and more men will be frightened to begin the process while most of them will be more successful than a person starting the story without reralizing what he must be to endure all this and not able to estimate himself.
And I am true or I don't understand anything in people!
Whilst many a scammer will refer to telling their parent(s), particularly if they refer to her as an Americanised 'mom', this should not be regarded as a hard and fast rule.
The FSU family is, compared to the west, a very close knit one and during a first meeting, of a few days or longer, with a lady an invite or a request to meet her parent(s) should be regarded as a very good indicator. If a lady is multiple dating then it would not be commonplace for one to take a dozen or so guys to meet the parent(s) and such a meeting may be interpreted that the one who meets them is 'top of the pile'.
In letters, if a lady has discussed her plans with her parents, it would not be out of place for a parent to enquire regarding their daughter's correspondence thus it may be expected that a guy or guys may be discussed between daughter and parent(s).
If, on the other hand and during that first time together, one is not invited or requested to meet the parent(s) then this may be regarded as a very bad sign.
nas...thank you. I can assure you by his comments, he has no clue about me or my character. And you are correct...after almost twenty years of military service to the US as a combat air crewman, six of it active duty during the cold war and currently as a reservist enduring the conflicts we all know about, I do a pretty good job of thinking for myself.
Everybody, including the newbies: again, this was a humorous observation, not an indicator of a scammer, written to me in numerous first letters from ladies that appeared suspicious for other reasons from the start. As you can read, another thread on here also make a humorous observation of the same thing. It was nothing more than that.
Nas, ok I'll try.:-) Though you should know that my grandfather was a submarine commander,both uncles were serving at the navy and my cusen is finishing the Sea Academy this year to become a captain. So I presume I know something about sailors.:-)
Though you know... We say that the words are not sparrows - when they fly out, you won't catch them. I always mean what I tell because of this. I can't stand silly, ridiculous things some people do. I just know that to win a foreign beauty's heart a man should be something more than an average chap from Illinois. When people with different mulfunctions(physical or mental) start the process it usually leads to very unpleasant stories. And I am tired of these stories in this forum lately.
Just read the last pages yourself! It is terrible and depressing. So many guys are writing about their failure. Yes, more "old dogs" like you, MArtin, Max and some others are still persuading the others that everything is if not cloudless than at least cloudless for men with little brain in their heads but we are heard less and less behind the loud cries of Vanechka< Steelman, 1-2-3 or whatever other loosers. Don't know about you but I don't want them have another score in the face of may be good but at all not experienced, charismatic and decisive RK. This guy just doesn't realize that for many guys like him it is better and easier to participate in the street battles in Baghdad lead by their seargeant than to meet a Ukrainian girl in her native Zhmerinka(Mariupol, Donetsk or whatever). Does he realize that he will be estimated in the EASTERN standards for not less than 5 days 12 hours a day by a gir, her friends, her parents by her realtives, who are all so curious? Does this poor chap realize that his chances of winning a girl's heart are mizerable from the very beginning even if he is quite handsome and close to her age? That he will be looked at with a mixed impression as at a sex tourist-beggar, clumzy clown from the idiots' land - USA where all the people are so stupid and are so naive to understand the Ukrainian life? Does this guy unticipate that the girl in 50% cases will have a boy friend while she will be writing sweet letters and dating him? So, is his "sailor's" brain and experience enough to realize all this?
To fight all this a person should be really intelligent, charismatic, educated. So that he'll know more than her about history of Ukraine and USSR, so that when you go to a musum with her, it would be you and not her who will be explaining things. He should be so charming with her parents being quite reserved at the same time(we don't like loud talk and false smiles) that the old-formation people would believe that you are "a ukrainian" but just speaking some unknown language.
But if our hero will care for the Bat's version till the end... What can I expect here? The answer is evident.
felice...I won't even validate your demeaning comments about one's patriotism, pride, and service to country.
With regard to character with the local chicks, that is not a problem, I can assure you. The local chicks as you call them cannot understand why I respect the Eastern European/FSU culture and women so much and why that seems to be a goal of mine. The reason's are simple. Last two years ago, I met a wonderful girl from Poland who was here on a visa, we dated for a year, the last four months of it in Poland because she had to return due to her visa expiring. For four months, I worked a week and flew to Poland for a week and absolutely fell in love with the culture and people of this part of the world for many of the same reasons you read on this forum. Yes, we started to make plans to get married. Unfortunately, her mother had cancer and was in remission. She was always supportive of her only child, but she let her know that she really did not want her to move from mainland Europe. Obviously a difficult situation, but we made a joint, heart wrenching decision to forgo our relationship for reasons that meant the world to her family.
and now, as Paul Harvey says, the rest of the story...I was always intrigued with people's fascination with FSU ladies and was intrigued with the situation myself. Like many people here in the US, I have become increasingly disappointed in the direction our culture, priorities, etc. have gone with respect to relationships and family. With such a positive experience with my former EE girl friend, I decided it was a good opportunity to see what all the hoopla over FSU women was about.
It was also intriguing to me to even consider the thought. My last experience with anything Soviet related was in the mid-80's flying aboard missions on a Navy aircraft being intercepted by missile-laden Soviet Migs over the ocean as we were checking out their subs, ships, etc. And one other time with direct contact with Soviet troops in East Berlin. I was on leave by myself and had a photo taken with me in my Navy uniform with about twenty soviet troops in front of the Brandenburg gate...a short lived but wonderful interaction with troops who were as intrigued with me as I was with them.
So, back to the dating thing. I personally know of a few people here in the US who have been ruined emotionally and financially from marrying FSU women. And we have all heard and read the horror stories of some. I knew not to stereotype a whole culture and region of the world based upon a few bad situations. But I also know that there was a lot to learn to not be taken advantage of in an increasingly number of people and businesses trying to take capitalize upon the emotions of the uneducated. So I took advantage of addressing every red flag that I've heard about, read in other sources, or my own intuition to discuss on this forum that I discovered recently. Based upon the threads and responses I read here, I felt it was a great opportunity and place to interact and educate myself.
It was an excellent decision. If it hadn't been for the feedback I received on this forum, I easily could have been another disgruntled poster here. Out of hundreds of replies to my threads, felice is the only one who ever ridiculed or trivialized my concerns, which were truly genuine on my part. If you look back, I think you'll see it has been weeks since I've posted a question. That's because over time and everyone's feedback, I've become a much more educated FSU dater and advocate for this whole thing.
I should also add that not only was my EE experience a good one, but I also met a wonderful lady on Anastasia about seven months ago. I flew to Moldovia and spent a week there. The culture, people, etc. were awesome, and solidified all of the positive attributes of FSU women you read about . Just a word of caution to the real newbies...getting to know a person is important, but don't base your visual expectations on the glamor photos you see in their profile.