70% OF Russian/FSU GIRLcame to US in 2003 on Fiance Visas ( the K1 VISA ), left the country within 6 months of arrival and went back to Russia
I do not think that there is even one woman who came to USA by K1 visa without intention to marry her "prince" and live with him all her life. And I know that a lot of guys who invite a woman just to look a them and only after it decide if he going to marry her or not.
I think that it is possible to create a family with any person if you like him, have attraction, determine border lines and always going to be nice with this person.
Border lines for me means cheating, undermined person, yelling. Are you ready that for woman words - "you are only a foreigner" already means that YOU have already stopped all relationship with her and the only choice for her is to leave?
How many of them became married? I think it is disgusting situation then you invite a woman and then during are deciding if you would like to marry her or not.
Regardless if the lady comes to, only to subsequently leave, the USA, Australia, UK or indeed any damn country in the world the problem remains that many guys are not serious enough for such a commitment, they haven't done their reseach, and to some it is merely to show off to their mates to the effect 'hey guys, look at the designer wife I've got' or indeed 'look at the designer lady I'm shagging this week'.
Now to anyone that remains in any doubt just read back through the archives of this forum and decide for yourself who are the serious, who are the idiots, who are those with a grudge to bear and who are those that are merely after a quick shag.
The writings speak for themselves and if a lady travels to relocate to be greeted by naivity or an attitude problem isn't it only reasonable that she think that perhaps this guy isn't the guy she thought he was to subsequently return to her home country to try again with a guy who is more responsible or more serious?
you don't go on a personal visit to an FSU girl for a couple of weeks, decide to marry and bring her in on a fiance visa..you go for a couple of months at least to get to know the girl,family and relatives and then you make a decision.
Soon, the number of fiance visas (K1s) in America will be restricted to a number over a certain time that can be done...I think its one fiance visa, every 2 years that can be applied for by a US citizen and this will cut out the multiple trips and fiance visas being given out.
Australia's restriction is one in each 5 year period, and only 2 allowed in your lifetime.
You can't afford to rush into this FSU MOB thing and make mistakes because you will not be able to bring her to US, Australia etc. if you have too many goes at it and it gets screwed up all the time.
It takes time to know a person..you can't decide to marry a woman based on a period of a 1 week personal visit to her country.
You need a lot of time, patience and money to do this and there will be more failures than successes.
The men doing the multiple trips are not up to that task and making poor choices and screwing up in my opinion..more thought, time and research needs to be done by these guys instead of rushing headlong like fools into this without thinking and letting a womans photo or body, decide everything in the decision making..theres a hell of a lot more to this than tits, arses and shags!
Aussieman you not stuck on the fairy tale marriage crap are you mate --no lets keep it tit's arss ' shags ( why set yourself up for a fall mate !) lets face it it does not matter how much you put into this years $$$$$ travel - end of the day hell you know australia marriage celebrants are on the dole its at all time low - we now one of highest divorce rates in the world ( who in thier right mind would get married !!! play the field mate have a ball --you might get hit by a bus tomrrow ay -sex , bex and 4 xxxx the QLD'S USED TO SAY --swing from the lampshade with the lovelies ---never get dragged into the brain drain ay .
Always live every day as if it were your last i say --hear for a good time not a long time !!!
I still tell mine to this very day you want to get married sorry wrong guy !
you want to be kept in style , travelling , rooting , buying goodies , getting shouted all through the countries ( ive taken mine a few places she loves it - cost me a fortune but who cares ive nothing else to blow $$ on ) may as well spend on what you enjoy in life ay --your only hear once ! mine says yes sure great --but i never get dragged into the ohhh heart strings crap -i few times she's headed down that road but i remind her you wish to stay in between those silk sheets baby and have the best french perfume well , you best toe the line !.
she become all SANE again after they realise that meal ticket is about to alight on the bus .
like somebody said you take money out of the equation they all nice girls again --dead right .( THEY ALL BROKE TO WITH NOWHERE TO GO ) its in thier best interest to look after the sugar daddy yes !!
It all depends what you are there for / going thier for / marriage my god never entered my head (why would you bother ???) its only a scrap of paper and a tinny ring ! means 3/4 of 5/8th of stuff all in 2006 its an anything goes world --sure in 1964 it was
not the done thing and a bloke would be cast out perish the thought of living in sin ohhh shock horror .
in the 70's 80's its all we did was live in sin --was fun ay NEXT !!!
Il tell you a wee story ok ive got a customer in canberra works govvy offices gets his 136k a year plus all perks you know he dont drink smoke etc certainly got a big quid in the bank . hes 52 he's married 3 kids , has wife they dont get on but they'l never separate she earns little !( she knows whom keeps bread on the table !)
He has a girl in moscow pays her rent yearly in apartment cost him $3300 USD year - jumps on the plane spends 4 x 3 week stints with her a year - his wife knows all about it -actually supports it --ive met this family i was shocked here he is porking the lovely russian ( 33 year old by the way and drop dead georgous ) and his mrs drives him to the airport to go see her 4 times a year .
what a great family i quized her about it ay she's ever so happy to tell you all about his ''hobby '' overseas ! it never gets out of hand .
Her Responce is thus she said to me steve he keeps me in luxury we have everything - he's entitled to enjoy what he wants it dosent effect the home front so what happens on the mile -- stays on the mile ! and whilst he's over thier porking his pie he's leaving me alone.
Good setup ay aussieman its a pearl ive witnessed it from A TO Z with this guy -could even give you his number all bliss in his house ! as his wife said why fight it he could be down the pub hear in aussie drinking $400 a week or draggin in via deception a juicy tart on the sly whilst iam out .( but hes not and hes quiet upfront !)
He chooses to have a bit of fluff overseas i cant see nothing wrong with that long as it don't come home with him what can be the worry .
Aussieman if you know canberra it certainly is a city with the ''anything goes guys attitudes '' i take my hat off to this guy he has the boiler at home / family still content and a doll overseas that turns him inside out and gives him a damn good polish 4 times a year for various amounts of time . and all is fine .
Ive since met 2 more of his mates virtually carbon copy situations --hey everybody is having a ball --why rock the boat ay steve.
What do they say ---fly to your FLUFF and away from your worries -have your good time , fly back home save up for next time .
life is only complexed if you let it be ---lot of these guys going over with the heart strings idea are crazy -----enter into a hmm good ''arrangement '' with a girl like i have ! lay those cards on the table -not draconin no does not have to be ! iam ever so cloak over the puddle and ''after you my dear '' attitude --but you must not ever let them forget whom buys the daily bread so to speak ,
Remember we have the $$$$$ --thats what everybody forgets we hold all the aces !
i think you have to realise too that the phone calls ''ohh il never play up from them iam yours forever '' no even i dont believe that with mine ! the canberra guy he don't believe in the ''loyalty fairy either '' its a hard world out thier specially in europe .
AND iam dead sure if i was not thier for mine in $$$ her pants id part company quick smart for some ''johhny '' if she was dead certain it was starvation she was facing !
and id not blame her either the human has survival instinct basically if i dont look after her no other basterd will . if i let the wallet run out then it is truly my fault she has to drop her draws .
put ourselves in thier situation we'd do the same .
they dont have much to barter with ay .steve.
I don't believe in fairytale marriage crap anymore, mate..been there and done that with a 12 year marriage + divorce to a foreign MOB.
Marriage agencies are selling an illusion to make money..but what you get in reality is a nightmare.
I believe in Living Away From Each Other Relationships (L.A.F.E.O.R )..YOU DON'T MARRY AND WHEN YOU NEED A BREAK FROM EACH OTHER, SHE GOES HOME TO MUMMA..WORKS WELL FOR ME AFTER 14 MONTHS...YOU GET SICK OF THE BITCHES, YOU SEND THEM HOME!
In a recent survey in U.K, it was found well over 1 million poms were living in a LAFEOR situation and it is getting popular..relationship with no marriage or strings attached..the best!..you get all the shags you want and when you get sick of the girl, you let her goa nd find another!
With Foreign MOBs, you can't do this..you got to marry them and then you are stuck with them and all the problems too..divorce is a messy, expensive procedure!
Many divorced men, nowdays in the Western world have gone cold on marriage after a bad divorce..LAFEOR is the safest way to go as she has no claim on your property..in the pressures of todays world, marriage for life does not exist in anymore in this generation as old fashioned values have gone out the window and there is no committment and honesty anymore and todays girls..well what good can you say about them and you certainly can't trust them, especially foreign ones who are motivated by the clor and quantity of your money!
I am very happy with my marriage. Sorry to hear that marriage is not doing it for you. Just have in mind though, not everyone's a loser, not everyone attracts losers, and not everyone likes to generalize his own lousy experiences and try to convince others to be miserable in the hope that sharing the same misery with others might make him feel better. Only you and a handful others were truly born to be losers. Try to escape your misery, it's worth it!
Aussieman i could not have said better your last post on hear -you hit the nail on the head with every word --love em ! enjoy em --get sick of them do to them as they do to you -------say bye bye's and they are real good at that (AS WE WELL KNOW !) RUN OUT OF $$$$$$ see how long they hang around you live my way ok ---- ive got so many asset's i can't count them ---------yes and took me 16 years of hard slog to get em --to leave such assets even near the hands of a greedy vixen well -------you know as i do how many aussie guys whom are worth plenty of $$$$ live alone - for this very solid reason to.
10'S OF 1000'S OF US.
You know our laws in a courthouse the judge only ever see;s the woman every thing you own can leave your posetion in like 20 minutes ( risk all that for a bit of fluff ??) only if you are totally out of touch with the world .
NO to the guy above we are still winners -toss a greedy woman into the fray then one becomes instant loser as you go from ritches to rags once they have THAT bit of paper and that ring --its goodnight ''dick'' down to the soup kitchen brothers.
Aussies in our age bracket ( guys i mean ) woman have nothing only what they took from the guys !
The guys in aussie 39/ 53 age bracket hold all the $$$ ( its the age group where they work and know how to make money ) in that age a lot of life is over so we protect the assets now -most of us or let me say 70% have been cleaned out in 1 way or another !
Read the stats on the net , the news , the idiot box its news all the time ( the message is in between the lines -even the announcers have a giggle ( another mug married ay )
Its all a game guys to them wroughting etc its all a business -everybody in russia ukraine to degree is on the ''take ''find two taxi fares for the exact same difference in miles that are ever the same cost hmmmmm----ohh i can hear the brains ticking ( hes right this bloke !)
You dont have to be a philadelphia lawyer to work out its a game of dice --they have the upper hand -its up to you to get the biggest slice of the loaf that you can with these ever so lovely tarts.
Its a racket the whole box and dice --tell you a wee story my first trip to mother russia st petersburg i stayed in motel 35 k's out caught my first taxi in to nevisky prospect the gorilla in the cab says speaku no english so anyway motel worked out its 470 rbl's to town --ok we get there i go to pay this villian all of a sudden he speaks better english than all of us says ohhhhhh no now its 800 rbl's !!! what i said the price near doubled !! i turned round looked in the back seat in case the price had doubled because he'd tossed a tart into the deal .
Ohh no this guy was a bad basterd --ever so calmly he pointed over on the footpath whispered in my ear --you see those two cops i said yes --he said you have exactly 3 mintues to give me 800 rbl's or i wind down the window and scream out to them westerner rob me -----he said you know what they will do to you --after all he said who are they going to believe .......
A lesson of thought above for all -yes my bloody oath i gave him the 800 -------would you ??THIS GUY MEAN WHAT HE SAID !
Moral of the story never get the rose coloured glasses on guys ive seen some of these woman pull stunts that we would not think to do to your worst enemy ----marry em they say ohh you have to be joking ! like aussie man says ( hes the most learned and correct guy on this thread ! Aussieman again i wonder mate have we any hope of educating these mugs --maybe we should get 1/2 a dozen from this line dump em in either st petersburg moscow , cheboskary , all with $5 ea see how long they last with woman or anybody else once that $5 is gone ----run out of money in russia ukraine -and your lovely blond drops your arm and heads for the nearest bar says to you --ohh my god my ATM OHH IS TO RUN DRY !
WE KNOW MATE THE NASTIES ! its as obvious as a bus sign on the street --these other guys c'mon of course they love you ---and il; bet you they know your credit card is maxed our 3 days before you do!!!!! ( ITS FUNNY HOW IT GETS INTO THIER HANDBAG) HMMMM !!! lol lol lol stevo.
CHEERS TO YOU AUSSIEMAN --MATE THE PENNY MIGHT BE FINALLY DROPPING WITH THESE GUYS ! THERE MAY BE HOPE YET STEVE.
When it all goes all sour for Wtrav02 and others in here married to FSU girls and they get cleaned out financially they will dump the rose colored view of the world very quickly..in divorce settlements, foreign girls are the worst..they want everything and there is no compromise position with them..they are absolute bitches when it comes to money and property matters.
In Russia, the woman in divorce gets the apartment and car as compensation ( it is a good compensation when they came into the marriage with nothing!)...what do you think she will do in your country...its there way, to want and take all the major, big property of the marriage for themselves..they consider that fair compensation in a divorce and thats what they want..your house, your car, alimony and the green card or whatever.
WAKE UP PEOPLE IN HERE!
This will be my last post in here as I have retired from the computer/internet dating scene.
YES MARTIN in a sence you are right ( ahh but did you ever see the draconin marriage laws that were revised in australia in 2001 --my god ) live with a girl hear / aussie one yes i know ''why would you'' --but live with her / her with you just in girlfriend scenario and whacko after 90 days only she can scream foul ohh he beat me a wham in the court you just lost 50% of your assets to her ! i could send you the new criteria on govvy forms its bloody lose lose situation for the guy .
ohh so your married hear ok after 12 months wham again guess what she can get 85% of your goodies --stand in court all you want even holding a bunch of balloons to attract the judges vision --he wont see you he only see's her .!
these laws the new ones that came in september 2001 vary dramaticaly from state to state but the end result is the same --you lose all day long , thats why several times rocks and other missiles have gone tearing through the front windows of the family law courts in sydney many judges live under total threat / calls letters / shoe boxes of dog crap left at door step --ohh its big news hear ( stay hear as my guest mate for two weeks study our system you will say to me later jeses christ your right -why would any sane bloke marry hear -perth alone the stats its only 1.2 million but they say over 37,000 guys our age have a big shilling --will barely open thier door to a woman because of fear of cleanout ! it really is terrible !
the woman hear hunt like predators for a bloke who's worth a quid -ahh then they go into to operation on him .
Australia is 5 years before you can get citizenship now --------4 years ago it was 3 years end of 2006 they plan to make it 7 years .
One good saving grace we have hear specially in western australia is that with FSU GIRL or any other girl from far away offshore the courts hear wont want to know her unless she is a citizen of aussie = thank god we get 5 years grace before clean out ( there is a god !) ok not all are like that martin but view the stats hear held by the russia club and they really are walking with heads bowed in the street -
Twas on tv hear not long ago the presidenty russia club hear holding up with both hands a thick folder 106 cases in it - every single one the man had been taken to the cleaners by russian ukrainian girl--amounts being from $500 to $280,000 --
ok realistically its half the guys fault --dick rules the brain --but the other 50% is just pure outlandish robbery --they seem to think they have a right to one's wallet !
Such blatent criminal acts of our girls clean out yes but they do it by the legal system whereas the russian etc birds just trammple the law hear / not knowing most of it and basically just help emselves --quiet sad --the aussie girls for all thier faults will clean your plough and they will take the lot but they wont go to jail for just helping emselves they do it legal (or should i say by whatever law happens to be in on that day ??
one saving grace the russkies i dont think even after 10 years living hear that they would have worked out exactly how to take the lot ( with them i think its a ohh good we got $2000 lets split they ''think they are still in moscow'' lol lol ! ) i think you will still end up with most of your chattels intact as even at end of 7 years with a ruskie --i doubt they'd take the time / trouble to weave through our maze of laws.
by the time they worked it all out the laws would have changed full circle again anyway .
I firmy believe in that respect we are protected by thier ''non compus mentus '' of the law ,i dont think they'd have the nouse to work it all out -and hell why would they bother they cant take it all back to russia .
As i say i work in with govvy i know the criteria back the front --hence id not team up with an aussie bird if i was i was paid $1000 a week on top of what i get! - if i did id know ohh boy ive got exactly 12 months to enjoy what i own --then i dont own it any more .
Our marriage laws / whom gets what / why / where have changed like 8 times in the last 15 years its a nightmare state to state to even keep up with them .
Hence we'd rather blow a quid overseas on a damsell --given our laws and situations and we do have much to lose ------we find its the only way out of the minefield .
You speak of offshore bank accounts mate --well i dont know but most folk have missed the boat ive put near all my money in a russian bank and will continue to do so getting lovely 12% interest look into it on the net martin --all the fools in australia have thier money in a bank hear at poultry 4% --mugs ( peasents ) lol --chap i know hear in perth just returned 1 month ago russia took ALL his loot to nice ruskie bank and iam talking a lot of loot you know the old saying enough money to choke a horse yes well he has more than that --russia il boom it will its obvious it will i know which bank all my bux will be in --it will be in st petersburg -ive already enough there to jump on QE2 and head round the world once 1st class --tiss a mug whom leaves his $$$ in a western politically correct bank where the tax man takes a fat slice huh balls to that mate -hmm folks must think aussies are silly , not so ( you would be totally in awe if you knew how many aussie guys have thier loot in the land of joe stalin) --iam only sad i cant find another 40k to toss into mother russia .invest in rubles my sun and laugh all the way to / from the bank hmm steve.
But in 41's most recent post he was referring to wtrav02 and others. To the best of my knowledge wtrav02 is not subject to Aussie laws and neither are 95ish % of us.
Offshore bank, Russian bank, does it really matter if it cannot be traced?
And just for the record, my renting out/in & offshore bank situ was already in place before I started FSU dating, I've relocated 10 times in the past 15 years thus my reason for renting and I've lived & worked in other countries hence the offshore bank account(s).
Where is it written that 100% of ladies who enter the USA on a KI subsequently enter into a marriage before 70% of them subsequently divorce and leave?
In 2001 I had a lady come to live me me on a 'fiancee' visa but she subsequently left (with my boot up her ass!). That would make my divorce statistic, at that time, 100% but how can it be, I had never been married until 2005!
K1's etc. and divorce statistics, two totally seperate issues in my humble opinion.
all crazy no point helping you guys you see what you want to see ignore lifes facts - so sad very bad , i think too may be coming close to last post --you guys got to wake up smell the roses -marriage in 2006 is truly setting yourself up for a fall ,
men a guided by whats lurcks in the pants nothing more .
anybody whom thinks more --need help real bad steve