The problem is you don't just "return with your bride". You still have to apply for a visa. You can return to the US and apply or you can go the DCF route and apply at the embassy in the country you are getting married in.
The former route can take quite a while. My understanding is that it will take longer for her to get to the US in this manner than if you were to go the K1 route.
With latter route the visa is typically issued in around 90 days and sometimes much less. The problem being that the DCF route is not available at every embassy. Currently you can do this in Ukraine and not in Moscow (unless you have lived there for 6 months I believe).
I went the DCF route in Kiev. My wife will be coming here in July. In our case I filed the petition at the end of February. Her visa interview could have been scheduled as early as the beginning of April. Waiting until July for her to come is our choice.
One last comment. I think getting married in her country is only a viable option if a couple is willing to take the time to get to know each other first. In my case I made 6 trips to Kiev each of about 3 weeks and she visited me here in the US for another 3 weeks before we got married. This was over a period of about a year and a half.
Hi postman i dont go much onto forums but yes i do know of a guy in Australia whom in the not to distant past did exactly that.
Iam trying to recall if he was in the services but no i dont think he was in the services .
I know when i was speaking with him be around 11 months ago he went down that road to aviod all the mucking about it obviously worked.
I have since seen him and his other half in Australia ,they are married so i would say yes the way works as he is living proof of it.
From what i can see its like anything! there is a way around a lot of these things,ive got a russian girl and man the missinformation i was fed like 3 years back about getting her to where iam was unreal.
Some guys on forums told me oh she cant go there on this visa and that visa ,in the end i was so confused i was running around in circles.
I went to the right embassy got the right forms did as i should and i had my girl hear for a visit within 90 days!then i went to a hotel sat down had a beer and thought back to all the crazy things i was told.
Said to myself my god i would have been in some grief had i listened to/or tried to impliment all the crud i was told.
So i dont listen to all the backyard guys on soap boxes now.
I had spoken on phone to Australian powers that be , told em all what id heard from advice recieved through around 8 guys on different forums and a few in the street ! put it altogether and the government department i was talking to said to me it would make a good book , and title it ! What not to do! and that was after the laughter had died down. lol lol lol.
Marriage well iam not much interested in that and its not for me, but the other avenues of visitation and all that yes well i have no grief at all .
Phil i have the Aussie details around somewhere i will have to dig them out, if you go through the right channels there really is no hassle at all.
My girl arrived hear on an ever so simple tourist visa for a short stay ( this is what tourist visa is for !) they tried to tell me ( the backyard lawyers !) that ohhh it can't be done.
Butlike govvy said to me - what do you think a tousrist visa is for ? bit of paperwork but nothing a chap with 1/2 a brain could not have filled out on a sunday afternoon .
Lot of scaremongering and just truck loads of wrong info from some of these people ( they cry it can't be done) but you find that 99% of the time why that is is purely because they are not doing it right .
I personaly found nothing earth shatteringly hard about it, end of day i didnt know what all the fuss was about.
Tell you a very very helpfull avenue in Australia there are several branches of the Russia club i went to see them in desperation when i was getting the run around from the ''soap box'' guys .
The man in charge at the club just reeled back in his chair said to me ''where do they get this info ''' hey he said look around you its a big meeting tonight 276 russian folks in a hall! he said we are all hear arn't we .
I then learnt that 10/ 15 of the folks in the very room were in fact in aussie at that moment and 1/2 were young birds 28/33 years and they were hear via tourist visa it was proved to me then and there .
Of course this was all the grud i was told could/ would never happen -----yeah ok . my eyes ! no lies !!!
Should anybody require Russia club of Australia phone numbers , contact details iam happy to provide.
I learnt a long lesson - listen to the folks with the guess work and you will waste many a day and near drive yourself to drink. After all in total all the folks i confided in each one gave me a totally different answer.
Looking back none of them had a clue what they were on about .
1. In Australia, you can't get married if you come here on a tourist visa..you will get sent home and have to apply over seas for a visa in the case of a Russian/fsu woman.
2. A tourist or visitors visa is very hard to get for a Russian/FSU single girl..only in very rare exceptional circumstances will she get one, if she proves she has substantial wealth and assets in her own country ( e.g owns real estate, a business etc. ) to compel here to return home and also show she has sufficient funds to support herself here.
( same criteria as getting a visitors visa to US )
3. GETTING MARRIED IN HER COUNTRY IS A BAD IDEA. IT BECOMES A "SPOUSE VISA" AND IT IS FAR LONGER TO PROCESS IT AND IT REQUIRES YOU LIVE WITH HER FOR 12 MONTHS IN HER COUNTRY AND PROVE THE THE MATRIMONIAL CO-DEPENDENCE AND HABITANCE WITH EACH OTHER BEFORE SHE WILL BE ALLOWED INTO AUSTRALIA ON A SPOUSE VISA!
One of my lady friends went to Eygypt, meet a guy over there and married him there and she can't bring him into Australia as her husband, without first going to Eygpt and living with him over there for 12 months and only then can she get the spouse visa for him and he can then be allowed to enter and live here as a permanent resident.
You don't try and circumvent the rules of the Australian Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (DIMA ) or they will give you an impossible time....legal appeals are very, very expensive and time consuming and they don't bend the rules ( they wont do it for refugees without lengthy expensive court cases so what makes any here think they will do for your Russian lover girl ).
4.Fiance Visa ( prospective spouse sub-class 300 visa ) is the the only posssible, quickest and least expensive way to to do it and an appeal on the decision if refused will cost you only 2 grand aud..appeals if done right by an immigration lawyer are usually successful as our Moscow Embassy are ass-holes and just about knock everyone who applies back ( refuses applications for smallest reasons )
I am getting my DIMA documents ready to migrate to Australia from Russia. I was wanting to speak to people who have migrated to Australia and who know about the migration process. I have heard that the Australian Embassy in Moscow can be very demanding. I was hoping that someone can tell me about the personal interview process.
hey Aussie ya dooms day forecaster:) it seems you guys are maybe a bit different to us or maybe you live in a different Australia to Mickeo.
it has been said we a easy avenue through the back door to Aussie land in our immigration, its quite possible.
here a tourist visa is just a tourist visa, put everything in the right boxes and a tourist should appear.
ok lets say i will marry this tourist, yes they will give me the short shift so we appeal it, with such a appeal we get another visa for(up to 24 months), its mandatory, I'm told.
such appeals they are not kicked out of the country, there's a phrase they use for this, i cant remember it, so in this time frame I'm sure one can marry and prove its for real, and we live happy ever after.
but this is new zealand and this is how a friend did it just of late.
not the cost you speak of either.
yes i have watched the Egypt thing with women here, they have the same problem you talk of.
I've seen it a few times now, always egyptians..
why is it i wonder who is playing who there..
I am an Australian man and was married to a foreign girl who I sponsored to Australia on the Prospective Marriage Sub-class 300 visa ( the fiance visa to speak ) and I assume you are applying to migrate to Australia using that visa with an Australian man as your sponsor and "prospective spouse ( your future intended marriage partner ).
The guys on this forum, nearly all of them don't live in Australia and have no idea and their advice is useless and some guys who pretend to be Aussies living in Australia in this forum do not behave like the real deal and have no idea and give out shit advice.
My advice to you is to make sure you have all your paperwork in order.
Bring evidence of your relationship including letters ( written and e-mail ), photos of you and your partner together, evidence he visited your homeland to visit you, know important facts about your partner like his family background, what he does for a living and just general knowledge about him that a fiance would be expected to know if they were going to amrry someone as they might ask questions about your relationship and maybe look at some letters but not always.
The interview process itself should last no more than 1 hour at the Australian embassy and your partner in Australia or sponsor here should have also provided his own evidence to go with the application. Some interviews are very quick. Remember they are busy and can't spend hours interviewing one person and if all the paperwork is o.k it will be simple.
Be truthful and open, answer all their questions, they do not interrogate you like the police and ask reasonable questions and you need not be in fear of them..just be yourself and honest and not hesistant in your answers and it will be fine.
Problems often occur when the paperwork is not in order or incomplete or evidence required is missing or information given to them by you and your Australian partner is not consistent ( e.g story of how you meet is different between what you say and what he says ), just keep your facts straight and consistent and relax, they will expect you to be nervous but just be honest, you will be alright.
Let me know how it goes..PM me in private in this forum, I will tell you the true facts and what to do and not listen to some of the idiots and clowns in this forum who think they know but are talking rubbbish..they don't live here and never expereinced the visa process here but I have and did the paperwork myself to sponsor my fiance and succeeded first time, very quickly with no problems or delays.
Kiwinorth, Aussieman is correct here and I don't think NZ is easier than Australia. When a person applies for a tourist visa in NZ you have to state if you intend to get married in New Zealand. And if you say yes they will likely not issue the visa. There maybe a back door but they will not make it easy for you. And if people use this back door it makes issuing the tourist visa for a FSU girl more unlikely (and trust me its not just a matter of ticking the right boxes, unless she has money, a job etc and can prove she can support herself).
What Aussieman says about getting the paperwork in order is also very true. There is a lot of requirements and they will only tell you only the minimum you need but you should supply as much information as possible and ensure your have the correct documentation. For the interview its important she answers in English and replys to each question, for example, if they ask what hours or work you do and she don't know (not everyone has set hours) tell her to give an answer. That means they don't have a chance to say well you don't know this guy very well.
cheers Ben, I know of that question, its their little trap,, but they can also ask me will i intend to shit in the woods tomorrow, that's another ridiculous question, how many variants can change my bowels tomorrow,, as far as I'm concerned if shes bringing a wedding dress then there's the intent otherwise no.
really when you think about it Ben that is the most stupidest question but a great little trap..
maybe they think we have a Cristal ball.
maybe i look at things to simple.
yes the tourist visa, once got its not an overly big deal to deal with the rest here, sure there's paperwork a lot of it, but the tricky part is the tourist visa, but hey there's many ways to deal with that also.
i don't plan to sponsor if i can help it.
That would be a smart idea. But it means she has to have $1000NZ for each week she is staying. She will need to say a fairly long time if you are planning on getting married. As you will need time for her to get the required documents from Russia/Ukraine etc. Some of which may only be obtained back home. And if she gets them before she leaves thats going to show she lied on her tourist visa application. Personally I think its a bad idea.
" I will tell you the true facts and what to do and not listen to some of the idiots and clowns in this forum who think they know but are talking rubbbish..they don't live here and never expereinced the visa process here but I have and did the paperwork myself..."
Well aussieman, I have no quarrels with your knowledge on the process of getting a girl into australia since you have personally accomplished that. What I think is funny is how you describe,
how did you say,' idiots and clowns in this forum who think they know but are talking rubbbish' because they have never EXPERIENCED visa process in australia........well does the same thing pertain to you when you continue to give advise to people in this forum about life in FSU solely based on what you read and hear being behind a keyboard???? Oh please, Aussieman, tell me how you are different, that you are REALLY telling the facts. I am dying to hear your responce. Hope you don't take this personally, I would just like to know where you are coming from.
HI. I am an Indian passport holder. Right now I am in London on study visa. My boyfriend is also an Indian passport holder and he is in Australia on study visa.I had already visited Australia once on visitor visa last year. But this time I want to get married to him and stay with him till the time he is in Australia. His visa is till end of 2012. I dont know how to proceed and get there.
Because what i know is if i get there on visitor visa then it will be wrong on my part to apply for a dependant visa after that. So i dont know which visa to apply properly so that it wont be a problem when i have to change my visa details to dependant visa.
Please help me out how to proceed.
What can I and my boyfriend do in regards to this.
I will really appreciate your time.