I read in the CIA Factbook that the average person in Moldova was earning about $200/mo USD. My pension is only a grand, and with direct deposit to my VISA / MC I could live quite comfortably in Moldova. Since I'm black and there doesn't seem to be evidence of many others there for me to socialize with, I'll pass. But I can't help wondering what life would be like with my income in such an area.
Yeah, since Obama's brother lives in Kenya on a buck a week, a grand would go a long way. Really, if you are going there to socialize with others of your own race then thats a pretty silly reason for going. Good Luck LA, but once you get past Hungary all things change for the worse.
Causality I knew the same girl in two different sites and more causual she was going to come to my country and do you know why,the scammer here naturally didnt knew this fact.But if all letters are the same, and emotions 0 like a officinist work and worse not feminine at all.And improvisation and natural way of writting also 0.So I think is not possible to lie worse.I am not giving more clues as maybe they learn something.In real meeting translator always have wish to go toillete with Girl I tough maybe are so poor that change tampons but not they made strategy really funny to know and see in same moment more if you know Russian as me and they dont know it. So phenomenal research, I can win periodistic prize or humor I am not sure.To be continued in different places all over relating net....
Thats virtual prostibule, no higtech, letters are written by other people and in tours they pay naive girls that are afraid more than translator than man in question.I have proves as I documented very carefully all this info and is going to be in a TV3 TVprogram next month.Interesting document about the slutery country of Europe: CHOCHOINA
I think you should pay attention if you use local agencies. for sure, going In the country on your own, and seeking a girl on site is the best way to be successful, but I will not use agencies. I did it on a trip, and guess what? it is exactly the same scam as internet agencies!!! yes, the principle is that you pay to meet a girl, but finally have to take the girl out, to a place she decides, of course an expensive place, where everybody seems strangely aware about your "business". and nothing goes forward with the girl. If you propose your own place to go, she will not be so happy, she will ask to go in a "better" place she knows etc... This is a standard. Why? not hard to understand... the girl is like a model you pay to show, she is getting paid to go as far as the man wants but within certain limits. These are the places visited, and the girl's will of course. Anytime the girl takes you somewhere, she gets a fee in return, on top of the agency fee. for example, lets imagine you want to take her for a city tour, and then have a nice dinner in a romantic place. She will call the taxi (a friend), then have a wonderful idea for a restaurant at a crucial moment. You will surely end in one of the most expensive restaurants of the city, and as you will just take what you like to eat, she will ask for the most expensive dishes... Do you get it?
I am not saying this because I had just one experience like this, with one agency only. I am wealthy and money is not a problem for me. My curiosity made me try everything possible, and I discovered a lot doing this, even the worse. I was just trying to find the woman I would deeply fall in love with, and I did! my sweet is from ukraine, we are now about to marry, and all I can say is that agencies, DID NOT HELP ME at all, but was a loss of time and money.
Wish you the best to find your bride.
start communicating with the girls on websites. do not use pay per letter sites. do not waste your money. if she has an agency email ask for her private contact information if she tells you that she likes you in her letters. if she doesn't give it to you,- skip her. there are hundreds of girls , real girls, with real photos, not glamor shots, register daily on dating sites. fiance.com for example - you can see if she is independent or with the agency, it is in the profile description. on some sites you do not see it. so anyway. get her phone number, start talking to her. if she has problem with English/German/your language, use interpreter calls. plan your meeting. go and have fun. do not go to cheapest restaurants please: and get your self a nice taxi/ car from any independent taxi company. before you go ask questions on forums like ours. you will get ready in no time and will not make mistakes. agencies by their nature are supposed to help ladies to get introduced to you, and help with communication. I has always been thinking that ladies must pay agencies for services: access to internet, help with translation, helps with this and that...but this pay per letter business turned everybody in agencies into money making machines:)
nicklove I would agree with Olga, If you are wealthy and I assume that if you told us that you told it to the ladies why not take her to a decent restaurant. If I was wealthy and took a lady on the first date to a cheap restaurant why would she want to go out again if that is all she is worth to me.
Of course the agencies want to meet in a nice restaurant but the ladies I have met that I can remember always took a medium or low item off of the menu. A lot of those places have dishes up to 1200 dollars and I cannot remember a lady getting more than a 30 or 40 dollar entry.
Just because you met your lady as you did does not mean it would work that way for everyone or even again for you. And if just about married is her waiting for a visa to your country success is not totally yours yet. But if it works great.
"I am wealthy and money is not a problem for me." Then if money is not a problem why complain about it in a post twice?
You're going to spend money, and with common sense not get ripped off like others have. Seperate the girl from the agency, if she won't there are many more as Olga said willing to do so. You control your destiny here. If you let an woman or an agency do so, you are their lawful victim. There is no secret formula here. No technique that will improve your odds.
Common sense is the only thing that will help you. If it looks too good to be true it probably is.
I used Elenas Models. I wrote a kick-butt introduction letter, had it professionally translated into Russian and immediately had many women corresponding with me. Almost all of them gave me their personal emails right away, if not immediately (you can obtain most from your paid membership to EM, and the only payment made to EM). This way the lady and I corresponded privately and she was away from the agency.
Except to obtain more interests, I had no other involvement with the agency.
I'd say that I corresponded, all total, with about 20 women. Some dropped off quick, either I or her initiating that. I corresponded in groups no larger than 10 at a time (my lady came from the second group and at the time was not at the "top of my list"). I had two GTG (Good Time Girls), one went away suddenly and the agency pulled her profile and one very real scammer (who I had a lot of fun with).
But in the end, I was corresponding with a handful of very real and sincere women any of which I could have ended up with.
zdarna: Just as a curiosity, I have a few questions for you:
1) What do you consider an old man, and what a young girl?
2) What is the unaccepteble age difference between a man and a girl, according to you?
3) Which girls only look for the man's money? All of them? So, according to you there are no FSU girls really looking for love?
4) What lie will we live? When does it become a lie? What makes it a lie?
5) Are you implying that I will be utterly unhappy if I marry an FSU girl?
1.- Depends on Soul I knew girls without illusion similar a very old and I know people with 50's plenty of illusion
2.- 20 Years and more is not unnacceptable but difficult
3.- Is very easy to respond this, women like supermarkets more another she is extremely rare.
4.- If she didnt feel enough attraction is a lie to get engaged
5.- No if you choose right
6.- Never ask for money
I wus wondering wethur to use Army of Brides web site,because there are sum nice girls on there.
Is it posible that sum Ukrain girls will tell me they scam men.?
I was writing to girl in Ukrain she asked me to send her a Pizza through envelope to ukrain ,is this a common practice in ukrain.
My own experience with the BIGGEST SCAM ORGANISATION in dating sites : Army of Brides
First of all women are real...
When they make registration, they are registered also in 28 satellite dating site of army of brides. every one more scammer than the other... because scammers are not women but "local agencies"
When you write to woman, the woman never read your letter !!! NEVER ... you speak with agency's animator who translate and send you letters ... not "hot" letters but you must think after 5 or 6 letters that woman is serious and begin to love you.
If you want to come and visit the woman... it's not possible soon because the woman must go far one month for family's event or for work ... but she loves you ... so you write and read 10 letters more ...
If you ask email adress? after 5 letters ? it's a problem, you must ask 3 times to get it ... first you receive phone number and if you are lucky after "woman" (?) gives you email...and this adress is a special one opened and managed by agency for this woman!!
After ... finaly meeting arrives ... after 50 love letters, at airport I wanted to take "my love" in my hands ... and the woman was surprised !!!!!!!!!
Surprised but intelligent ... and tried to understand what happened ...
For meeting we had interpreter because "WOMAN DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH" ... and when I quarreled a little bit with interpreter saying " what is this woman who wrote me 50 love letters and who looks like stranger with me" woman understood because she spoke english BETTER THAN INTERPRETER !!!!
She understood that she was accomplice of scam of agency ... but don't said nothing at the moment ... I lived in an apartment in Kiev and woman in other one and impossible to see my woman alone...
When meeting finished ... I gave all my datas at this woman because in 4 days "something " was growing between us
When I came back in France she send me SMS "darling,call me at this number"
I called and she said me all the truth ... agency said "don't say that you speak english, so you will have our interpreter who will help you if this man is a maniac" etc... etc...
Agency forgot one thing : the power of love
Now we are happy but our story is a miracle ...
We are happy DESPITE Army of Bride ...and they made a lot of problem to cancel profile of the woman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because she is very nice and many men wanted to communicate with her ... ($$$$$ for agency)
The proof that they are scammers is "testimonial" on their site ... funny ... stupid guys sent messages like "thank you for your help and your kindness ... i will come back soon" (to give you more money)
but no marriage :-)))
Every once in a while, a girl will slip through the cracks of an agency!! And the agency will not be happy about it! One scammer typing is worth more than 100 married couples!
The story you told is not new or unique, and it probably happens many times a day! It is not isolated to any single website, or chain of websites.
Are you together in person or just through correspondence? The reason I ask,,, is because some girls will “appear” to turn against their agency,, only to make themselves look more honest!
I wish you well! Keep us informed!!
Bernardo - Agree with you 100%. Yes, I seen that scheme/scam tactic a lot. The agencies may pay a translator a very small salary. It is up to the number of letters, chats, gifts sent to the girl where the money is made.
When it comes to meetings, most translators (and agency managers) see it as an entitlement to rob an agency man even more.
You did it right. Get that girl out of the agency as soon as you can if you want a real relationship. She was interested to do and say what she did.
Good luck on your relationship.
PS> But you met her on that site... the site is decent, the girl's agency and translator was a scammy one. So you should give thanks that you met her through the site, right?