Gemini mate i must say i picked up/ met with my first russian girl in 1999 we worked together 4 days stayed together until end of 2001 so i cant say ive ever ever contacted an agency the 4 ive been with have been virtual street meetings or via you know
friends ohh meet so and so !!
I do AGREE with the guy above nobody should have to pay $$ through 6 or 8 avenues of extortion of monies to get to the other end of the hallway only to find you just parted with heaps $$$$ and she dont like you !!!!( WHAT A WROUGHT )
WHAT DO YOU DO THEN HEAD BACK TO THE FRONT DOOR PAY HUGE MONIES AGAIN AS THEY CALL THE NEXT ONE FROM THE BACK ROOM .
mate you can buy cats / dogs from the dogs home for $20 but you know i believe what agencies do is bordering on actually selling a person - nar its a scam - if i won lottery tomorrow agency never get 10 cents outu me ay . id die alone before i paid an agency -------------hey if they are dinkum and you paid em for arguments sake $1000 well then second time round it should be ''on them '' a freebie !
No if i was alone now id go bar / cinema /( il bet anyone $500 i wont go home alone ay ) you know just get about and meet one i mean hell they are 10 deep on the street surely in clothes shop or park a jovial bloke with 2 cents worth of personality could pick up a bird in russia / ukraine surely to god ,
How hard is it to walk up to a bird in the street say hello how are you in russian i mean so what if 4 ignore you the 5th one wont if 20 do the 21st one wont --its easy .
just perseveer .
soon as they twig your a westerner well the big smile comes across the dial yes .
Ive never had a worry matter of fact i can only think of 7 days ive spent alone in near 30 months of living thier -----i believe its a total insult to a bloke to be cast into motel on own thats real rude in a place where you have millions of lovelies all pacing the sidewalk and hoping for a bloke .
nar toss the agencies into the desperates catagorie ay
Send: 15.09.2006 4:14:23
"Angelika is 'didgy' as the very least"
Didgy? Well, I don't know what your motivation for posting such, but I can assure you we have excellent standards and don't deal with scammers etc. Anyone that has an issue with anything can write to us and get results. everyone involved knows our commitment to integrity. I think your reference to spamming search engines to hide scam issues was simply an implication and has no basis in fact. could you show such a complaint? I think our clients are generally quite satisfied with what we do for them. If not, we can fix that and all they have to do is contact us.
If any of you are 45 to 50 and you are writing to women 15 years younger, you would be wise to write only to 45+. I am writing to a beautiful lady who is 54 and another lovely lady who is 50. I have never received anything but positive responses from them. If you talk to them right and don't say anything that indicates you consider yourself superior, it is very possible that they will want you. The 54 yo is, in my opinion, the finer woman. She lives in Chisinau. However, I am meeting the lady of 50 next month 10 days after she arrives in Montreal, Canada to visit her daughter. I am in the USA, California. There has been more communication between Natalia (Chisinau) and me than the other lady. I would suggest that they are both very charming and sincerely desire a big change in their lives. I doubt that they simply want to use a man to get into another country. At their ages, they could be more settled and they really want a successful marriage.
I believe Natalia is just a beautiful person, inside and outside. She has written beautiful letters to me and she complimented me on how well I have communicated with her.
If you are 45 or older, leave them alone if they are 35 or younger. In the end, you would be happier, I think.
If you are 45 or older, leave them alone if they are 35 or younger. In the end, you would be happier, I think
Please, please, if you want a women your own age, more power to you. It is an individuals choice, I am perfectly happy with my 15yr+ girls. Who is to say who is wiser....maybe if you look down the road, if you and your 50+ chick
are still alive you will still see me running around with my 30+ chick!!!!! Just my humble opinion.
i doubt this advice about older women is any good as i did try this approach.
older women are as bad as younger ones and their shopping habits dont end on shopping.
plus older women are not interested in sex,i guess they had plenty over the years.
plus,they plain too smart and know how law works in long run.
To each their own I always say. I know a lot of guys in their 40's who act like their in their 20's more than some guys I know in their 20's... They don't get along well with others near their age. There is no formula, and I don't care how many more bubbles I have to burst on this one subject alone.
Women act like they want to act, when they want to. If they want to pretend they are wholesome when they are the furthest thing from it, then you can believe that possibility too. I know, I encountered this first hand. But that doesn't mean everyone is like this.
Honestly? I dated much older women I was younger. The ones in their mid 20's and 30's when I was in my late teens. It was just more interesting. Now I want to turn the tables. It is about Karma. So what's wrong with me wanting what i did at the same age? It is just flipping the perspective to me.
well... i have been in contact with a girl from kiev for about 6 months now. i have sent her a bit of money, but she doesn't really like it, because she likes to fend for herself. i have offered jewellrey, but she doesn't want to accept. we talk every other day or so on the phone, and sms every day. i trust her. she could so easily have taken money, etc, from me, as i was stupid enough to offer.
but, the other week, her best friend was getting married (she has sent me photos since) and she even called me when she was dressing the bride! she was the bride's maid, or whatever they call it over there.
over the last few months she has made me more happy, sad, laugh and cry than any actual gf i have ever had here! so anyhoo, i am going to see her in feb for her birthday...
actually i last spoke to her about an hour ago!
i would always want to know, in some way, the girl before i paid to fly to see her!
Go back to the beginning and read JoBlo's beginning account. I gave a list to the agency manager of the girls I wanted to meet. I'm sure this was the "Hot Meat List". Girls he would absolutely have no chance with in his home town. First two mistakes made before the plane landed in Odessa. One going to Odessa and two Using an agency to do anything for you.
Martin not winding up anyone. Just telling the facts as they went down. I was here in the beginning when you began posting. I think its a little misleading to say you were searching here on fiance.com when you had the little lady in Zapland as your ace in the hole. You just went fishing in different waters to see if you could catch something better, but failed. Then went on how misleading fiance.com was, how they lied to you with their advertising. Let's not forget the 15000 lady fiasco. Then go into another forum and report how you were monitoring fiance.com like you were some great truth detector. I doubled over in pain from laughter. How's that for winding it up! But let's not let anything like the truth get in the way of this forum.
I love the way he referred to it, in his original post, as a marriage agency.
He went there looking for marriage, and only marriage, perhaps a 'one trip wonder', no agency is a marriage agency, it is an introduction agency and, unless any lady has the wrong motives, the guy then has to put one hell of a lot of effort in before marriage might ever be on the cards.
As one 'one trip wonder' wannabee finds out the hard way there are 10 more joining the queue. Will they ever learn, I doubt it :)
Hi gang been away ! Jo you still paying agencies mate ''snake oil sellers '' you guys have not taken notice = meet em in the street ! or you just may as well find a bin throw your money in it.
Since when did we in west ever have to ( for example pay a guide take you to the movies ?)
Jo i have resigned myself to the fact that something is really needed , and very quickly in Russia ( why this has not been formed or attempted by some budding businessman ! has me beat.
A business based in RUSSIA , RUN BY BOTH TRUSTWORTHY RUSSIANS ( THATS HARD TO FIND) AND A WESTERN GUY OR TWO WHOM CATERS EXCLUSIVLY FOR FOLKS IN RELATIONS WITH A RUSSIAN BIRD !.
What am i trying to say? ok i shall explain take my own ohh disasterous ralations as a ten plate ok .
Your in relations with a bird / your in ok Australia for example and you want to know what she's up too each day ( i mean you have to watch them like a hawk - either that or them and family will bleed you white in 100 ways ).
wouldn't it be good to have an office you can phone and they check all your needs , what you want to know about her on any given day - iam talking 24/7 .
why dont we have such an agency?? where a stranger is happy to ring and speak any langauge you need on your behalf and you report to you correctly ''the events you seek to know about ''.
Imagine the grief that would save a person in relations with a bird in Russia ,
Such a service iam sure 100% would have its phone lines near jammed with call's from worried guy's.
I personaly know that in my past situation i' would be at least 40k still in pocket if i had been able to dial a number hear at other end ''comrade yes of course '' we go check as what she doing at once for you !
You get my drift -- a permanent check up service run by westerners and a russian or two go getter types ''no nonsence types '' whom only have your interest at heart .
such a service i would have happily paid them 3k or more to save what id lost !
would you ?????
I have paid dearly for trusting em - trusting em is not an option as i learnt the family gets in there ear nightly meeting at the table like a rehersal how can we get 4000 rubles out of muggins tomorrow what story can we dig up !
Id go again with a russian but by god not unless i had some sort of service at the other end like a 24/7 snooper that act's on your behalf in every way , even to the point of gangster at door her's if she plays up .
Had i the dollars ( maybe i will have next month ) i'd be there in a heartbeat setting up just such a service aimed totally at keeping ''them honest '' and aint that a full time job !
Heading back to the Ukraine in a few weeks myself. Im really getting excited thinking about heading over again another good friend deceided to come as well its gonna be one hell of a good trip we always have a great time away together. I hope the weather is good from what emails ive been getting I hear its very changeable. Still I hope to travel abit more around the area two its a very interesting place.
well i'm finally off to kiev to see this girl next week. i didn't quite manage to get there in feb for her birthday as i had planned to. i'm really excited. we're going to spend the first couple of weeks travelling around ukraine. any ideas from people as to places we should go to? after about 10 months calling her almost daily it's really time i went to see her! she's very excited that i'll finally be there! if i like it there then i intend staying and working there for some time. i have been learning russian but fortunately all the offices i have been looking into for work (software engineering) use english as their main language! :-) /pete
The only problem with your idea Mike is that trust is the problem. If you deal with an agency and meet a woman there are two possible weak links (entities who are solely after money or other things besides your interests). If you add a service like you mentioned then you just add one more possibility for fraud. I personally would imagine the kind of person who would be involved in this service would be a little shady in the first place and so unless I know them personally or trust someone who does I would be very skeptical.
From what I remember of your posts you met with and stayed with these women personally and I assume these are the ones that got your 40K. So would you trust strangers to make a judgment on your lady more than your own assessment?
Of course that does not mean it would not be profitable I only question the value it would add.
Mate if i was in aussie and had an aussie at other end gather me info - yes i would trust him i mean to say we nearly out of options ay ! you come to the end of the rope then whats left.
I think be a good business i know several in same boat screaming for much the same type of in house (* hey trust us we HAVE hear your interest at heart type scenario ) .
Hey iam to a point i got nothin to lose ay.
I stoped counting how much the 2 got me for mate just say since august 2006 40k?? i wish it were only that ay yu got 7 air fares on top of that lot x $3400 a pop .
Oh no mate iam to frightened get the calculator out 40k was actuall cash but the assetts i lost near double that huh !
Nar fuggem they need a bloody good lesson ,hey they go to boob in aussie doing blatent stealing - so why not there ay , got to be a two way street , up em for the rent !
I get back over there mate in next 6/ 7 weeks i know where they are thats not a worry, iam just wondering how long i can hold temper ! not wanting to beat em to death ,
brings back old army days huh !
Hearing the story mate be not a court in the land convict a bloke breaking a few legs ay / female of not .
My worry is if i see em ''bull at a gate'' i think id go crazy turn into hannibal lecter or someone.
Ive organised a trip today met with couple real bad basterds head bouncers from 2 big local pubs hear 1 is coming with me hmm going to be interesting i say sick em fido ! believe me this bloke would have pound nails for breakfast he's that hard ay .
Talkings over for this duck mate i tried to do all correct through russian channels it dont work they too stupid / too non caring/ and too lazy . so we'l install a tad of good old fashioned gansterism .
1 bird i cant really blame he old man was behind most of the deciet to me , he's about to enjoy a stay local ''gospital '' when big Wog Mario finishes with him .
Not so much the money !!! mate its principles too me! ive never robbed no basterd in my life, and i grew up in Redfern ! but i believe in fair go policy ok in this case the more you trust the more they steal = thanks friend ! well i don't rob = they wont either thats my laws its called principles and il die for principles .
Nobody around me hear in Aussie does it too me so same deal will apply !
broken bones what i wanta see = lots of em !
I believe in take from the rich and give too poor ( because in most cases the rich only got rich through fleecing the poor ) .
But i worked for mine and bloody hard and a battler don't rob a battler .
ive got enough cash assetts left to barely do this , but il spend my last shilling in the world mate to correct any basterd decieves me.
GOD HELP EM IL HUNT EM TO THE END OF THE EARTH !
Mate to your question ''the value the service would add ''/ well we dont know do we? but right now we got a big percentage of nothing , and any shelter in a storm is better than none, and certainly if such a checkout joint was operating id give it a go - huh iam to the point nothing left to lose .
No good worrying about what you aint got ay !
MATE ID TRUST A WESTERNER 100000% MAKE A JUDGEMENT ON A BIRD --BEFORE ID TRUST A RUSSIAN ,A RUSSIAN ONLY WANTS YOUR DOUGH but yu neighbour i'l lend you his tools because your same race and he feels at ease with you .
Yes certainly id trust a westerner with a check up office he'd have a couple russians doing the lingo he'd have too!! but he'd know his ''survival there living there'' depends on his clients, i could not see for 1 moment an aussie / pom / kiwi taking the risk of creating bad relations with a customer from say Aussie - mate hes got to much to lose .
And hey westerners as opposed to russian men like they only about 15 times smarter , and they got a bit of go about em ,
The stupid russian no foresight in business ay ----ive seen it there mate huh i can imagine a russian business seminar the bloke on the stage
ok comrades he'd say
we get de customer monday
take all he have tuesday
throw to street him wednesday
find new monkey thursday
thats about the strength of it ay .
about as sharp as bowling balls !
It very funny to read all complaints from western men comming to Ukraine to meet women they have met through internet (agrencies). Yes, there are a lot of scammers. But most of the girls here are very nice and proper
I have lived here (Nikolaev, Ukraine) for 6 years. I am from scandinavia. I know a lot of the girls you are e-mailing with. And most of them are very sincere about what they are doing. They want to find a match, they want to get out of here. They want a foreigner because many guys here are unpolite and drink too much. The good guys are often already 'taken'. They just want a good life with a good man
But; I have see you guys comming here. And its not a prity sight. On the contrary, its terrible. You are very often men who cannot get women yourself in other more 'normal' ways. Most of you are older, too fat, unpolite, expecting sex first night, think you are the top of the world, show of money (that you really do not have), and some of you even turn up on 'dates' looking like something that have lived in a ditch for a couple of month
What is with you guys?
A woman from Ukraine is normally much more a woman than you have ever met before. They are ladies. The are clean, well educated, well dressed, stylish, sexy, polite, well raised, have respect, and all other things you expect from a WOMAN
I have seen men comming here, meeting a girl without bringing flowers (very important for woman here - its a way of showing interesst, respect, affection), not prepared to take them out like a lady, dress like cowboys, trying to be funny by talking shit about the city and about 'idiots they have met here lately', talking shit about service here (which is true; but you guys are visitor here...you should show respect), and last by not least; aking the girls to come to the room the first night
And on top of all this; you always complain about how much everything cost. How does that make a woman feel? You take her to a restaurant, and start talk wbout this. She feel bad, and try to order something cheap. You ask if she want something to drink? She is offered some cheap wine. You know guys, if you ask a lady out you should act like gentlemen. Discussing prices and cost at the table is a bad habit. I am sure you do not do that with women form you own place (or in case; maybe thats why you end up here?)
Try this statment to test how redicules you sound (actually several girl have told me that this have been said);'...you understand that sex is sooo important for me, and I will just stay for a couple of days; and I will meet other girls, so if I shall consider you for further relation; you should come to bed with me tonight...'
That is really the way to make a girl feel special.....????
No guys. You are losers. And if you cannot pick up a girl where you come from....why these girls should chose you?
And to JoBlo; you have lists with girls to meet. They do not want to meet you. So you sit in hotel room watching TV for three days?????????? What kind of man are you? Why not go out on a night culb or a bar and try the normal thing? for example walk over to a girl and make contact...or maybe you are not man enough to do that???
Living in Ukraine. congradulations on your ability to ..umm...live in ukraine. but i think you are being a little harsh.
for instance, in my country, usa, i've never been in a position where a woman i took out orders the most expensive wine and item on the menu. its simply not done. i assume out of respect for me.
the opposite can be said in ukraine. the lack of humility displayed by some (not all) women in ukraine is unfathomable. surely some guys are assholes but some guys are just naive.
I've been to ukraine enough times to know never to trust the agencies. but the FIRST time you go over there to meet with people that you 'thought' were interested in you, only to find out it was all a sham. that hits you like a ton of bricks. the last thing you feel like doing is go out to a club. more likely, you just want to get the hell out of there.
does anybody else notice that people who live in foreign countries always look down on tourists? why can't they just give advice without acting like they are better than everybody. i think someone who couldn't find happiness living in his own country should think twice before putting other people down.
that being said, some good advice to newbies. i would add, leave the shorts, khakis, polo shirts, and sneakers at home. dress like your going on an interview. and i don't mean an interview to mcdonalds!
About the money thing... When I have a first meeting in Ukraine/Russia, I usually spend either (A) less than $20 (most of the time) or (B) more than $200 (less often). Most people in these countries are struggling to manage on incomes that are very small by Western standards, and almost never eat at a restaurant. Most of the women I've met there are very cost-conscious -- they are not only thrifty, they also try to help me save money.
The second category seem to have decided that they want a princess lifestyle, and since they don't earn enough money to pay for it themselves, they have figured out who will pay for it...
But there's a lot more of the "regular gals" out there. If you're meeting lots of princesses (and they're not the ones you're looking for!), I recommend changing your search strategy.
BTW, my 3 princesses (so far) were ages 34, 27 and 27... the regular gals have been all 33 to 36. This isn't a scientific sample, but maybe the 30+ women, who really remember the Soviet days, are less likely to see meeting foreign men as a business opportunity.