hi this question has probably been asked a thousand times but im new here so forgive me.
i have been looking at the women on here and some of them are absolutely stunning i just cant believe that these women need to advertise for a man.
i cant help but think if they look too good too be true they probably are.
I have built my humble opinion in 3 1/2 months I am in fiance.com. I had bad experiences with 2 too-good-to-be-true's. In fact, they are not true. Their letters were written by Igor in the agency. I am sure of this, though I cannot prove it. Admin is still investigating...?????
After coutless hours writing letters and wasting $4200 in the Ukraine, i would have to say that it is 90% fake, and i am being generous in saying that 10% are sincere. Go to the philippines, find 2-3 hot 20 year olds and go see them 3 times a year. I think you will be ALOT happier there then looking for a needle in a haystack in the FSU.
Yeah right....!!! Go get your rocks off in Asia...!!! Top advice that...!!! Then he's got the gall to complain about spending some money. $4200 if my eyes don't deceive me. Tell ya what, why not just go to the local "Whore House" and save all the trouble with visas etc.
Never ceases to amaze me the guys who get on these websites thinking with their dicks and seem to imagine that they'll rock up in the FSU and the "Hotties" will fall all over them only to be shocked by the totally Underwhelming reception on arrival.
vivalasvegas: If you don't have what it takes to find a good woman in the East of Europe then stay out of the game. Blokes who make comments like you just have display their own stupidity and worse, lack of ability. The eastern girls are IT and the likes of you who complain about the money and time are "Grist for the Mill". It takes a bit more than an average man to successfully wooo a Russian woman and it takes a bit of money too. If you have what it takes, you will have found a prize beyond price, but for the likes of you who don't, yeah piss off to the Philipines or some other place and get your rocks off, its probably more your standard. Just a word of advice, there is some good women in Asia also and they will toast the likes of you.
Back to the original author. Yes there is a lot of fake profiles on the net. You will need to sift and sift to find the genuine ones and after time you will start to see patterns in both the true and the false. Simply take your time. When you do find a genuine Russian / FSU woman you will wonder why you searched at home. Just bare in mind, she won't be interested in your money or country, she will be looking for a first class man. Thats why she rejected the local men. Then you are going to ask her to give up everything for you. You better make sure you are worth it. If you turn up over there flashing a bit of cash and a big attitude, you'll be BBQ'd before breakfast. Thats how it is..............
I/O... i have been following this website for quite some time and if you read thorugh thread after thread you find a common theme. Scammers Scammers Scammers... if only 1 out of 10 is sincere, (im being generous again)what does that say about the people of that country? We both know that good women exist everywhere and i think anyone who wanders upon a forum like this can attest as to just how hard they are to find. i looked and visited ukraine, peru and the philippines last year for a real prospective on all this. My conclusion... FSU is probably one of the WORST places to find a lifetime companion. the other continents offer so much more. None of us have a lifetime to pick through the haystack, and some who have been successful have spent years looking.
So maybe you are right, i dont have right stuff to woo an FSU woman. I am completely ignorant to think an FSU girl would want me, after all i have no moutains of cash or a house she can move her family into. I am just a simpleton who only wants to be loved for who i am, not for what i have. For all us guys who are too stupid and lack the ability to catch the attention of a golddigger, Latin america and asia await!!
vivalasvegas: You want to be loved for who you are, then you tell who you are by advising someone to go to Asia and find 2-3 hot 20year olds and visit THEM a few times a year. This speaks volumes for your understanding of love.
You are right, there is some super ladies in Latin America and Asia. I dated 1 top shelf lady from each of those areas some time back and I would defend them against any criticism, but you are talking nonsense regarding the FSU ladies.
The thing you seem to fail to understand is the website profiles of fancy women are not women. 90% of the scamming is undertaken by organised groups. Fat Yuri's posting womens photos. Most of the time you are only writing to a software program that scans and responds to your letters. The actual women involved in scamming are very small in number. Yes there is a few, but just that, a few.
Yes there is a few gold diggers there also, but again they are in the minority and are easy enough to spot. If she agrees to a K-1 after your first trip, Gaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwd, how bright do you need to be? Just a wee little word of warning. You'll find just as many if not more visa jockeys in Asia or central America. Just 'cause they have olive skin don't make 'em stupid.
BTW, I am not rich either. Not poor but not rich. I just happen to count my pennies wisely and yeah I guess I have high taste when it comes to women. If you want a pet, bed warmer and kitchen maid, I suggest a Rubber Doll, a Dog and a Dishwasher. Less maintenace and more obedient.
I/O.... you are going to make me come to the soapbox again!!!
I would suspect that we are much more alike then either of us would like to admit. So lets break it down in perspective for the noobs...
When any of us make the decision to seek love abroad, it says one thing about us as men... we have lost control. Our women are so overbearing and selfish, our lives revolve around pleasing women who have no concept reciprication in a love affair.
So here we sit.... writing, flying, looking for the love affair that our folks had. There are gems all across this wide planet. no matter where you go, you can find one. and she will love you with all her heart and soul BECAUSE you are in control. All her hopes and dreams rest on you. It attracts them to you.
You find your soulmate.... you bring her and put the ring on her finger. Because she is a newcomer in a strange land, you will cater to her every need. When she grows confident and strong, she will gain control of herself, be able to speak good english, work, manage finance etc, etc,... so because you still cater to the every whim of your princess, she will gain control of you and once that happens, her attraction for you will disappear and she will too, most likely with most of your stuff.
In my experience, this is the most likely outcome of bringing home a girl from another land. Las Vegas is a gathering ground for russian "mail order brides" If only you could hear them laugh at what easy marks us americans are. Neither the asians or the latinas behave in this fashion. An asian girl will sit in a good rice bowl for life and a latina can be almost insanely dedicated.
For the average joe who is looking at marrying abroad, maybe sees one of the success stories and wants to try for himself. Where shoud he look?? The FSU?? where only one out of ten is sincere or asia where his chances are much much better. maybe 3 in 10 are real. I will take the better odds. I cannot say that finding a wife through a website like this one is a bad idea. It has worked for some people, but everything is so comercialized now. Sex tourists and scammers dominate a domain that was once a meeting place for those truely interested in love and marrige. Finding a successful marrige in this fashion is becoming more and more problamatic as sex tourist jade real sincere girls, while hookers jade the good guys.
Getting back to control... as long as the girls are over there, YOU hold the cards. You always have the upper hand that you shoud have BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN. Girls dont like wimpy guys, as long as they stay in their own country, you are prince charming. No worries about divorce, alimony, etc....... nice and safe, everybody gets what they want while you stay IN CONTROL!!
I have spent time in both Ukraine and Asia, and very happy living in the Ukraine, but If I was to strt out again Asia would win hands down, better food more to do, far more frendly, dont ned to understand russian to surve
nice house in Asia for the price of a run down flat in Ukaine, and its not cold in the winter !
there are good and bad girls everywhere, but 90% of the profiles you see on the websites are not sincere, find a good lady in the FSU will take a lot o time, most guy only have a couple of weeks a year of work,the odd's are stacked against you,
vivalasvegas: My biggest concern IS for the freshmen and I hate bad uninformed advice from "One Trip or None Trip Wonders". By your own admission, you have had ONE trip to ONE part of the FSU. Bottom line is you have tried to sweep 23% or more of the worlds land mass with one brush. If you had moved about at all you would understand how much people differ all over the FSU and hence how ridiculous your assesment is. 10% of real profiles on websites? Maybe, who knows and who cares, its the internet. Your implication and claim is 10% of the available women in the FSU are serious. Eroonda with a capital "B". You simply know almost nothing about FSU women.
The Asian Bride scams that have gone on here for the last 30 years are too long to list. Most of them are Phillipians based, so don't count your little Asian chickies before they have hatched. They hatched here years ago and quite a number of men got their feathers phuced off them too.
What you have clearly discovered and failed to understand is that most of these women DONT want to leave their country. Those days have gone. Of course there is a few, but with the fast improving economic situation it is far less relevant than a few years back. These women are becoming picky, just like you and I are. They see hundreds of western men tracking in every week. If you think for five minutes that you will hold the controlling hand by financial and linguistic advantage, I have got news for you and it aint good PARTICULARLY if she is Asian.
The reality is this. The moment you get married, you lose control of your life, regardless of what nationality she is. But guess what? She is in the same boat. The other thing I can assure you is this. You can sit at home in what you think should be her "promised land" but that certainly doesn't make you a prince on a white horse. For the Russian woman, moving to another country away from friends and family is NOT her number one priority. It is precisely that sort of arrogant "She owes me" attitude that causes the final failure of many international marriages.
I can tell from experience that my other half has 2 higher educations along with other qualifications. 3 Fluent languages and a grasp of another 2, a very nice lifestyle in Russia and she sure as hell doesn't and didn't need or want to get out of Russia. She is one of a group of women that I could introduce you to right now. Sure they are looking for a decent life partner, but anyone who comes in with the idea that his country will form an attractive part of the equation would be toast in ten minutes. Maybe I am different, I was never looking for an obedient pup. I was looking for my equal or better and I sure found that. Just how it is...............
l/0, I have to say that new people should pay attention to what you have to say. You seem to tell it like it is and people need to see the reality and not a painted picture someone else would like everyone to believe. This is definitly not for everyone as is well documented in this forum.
skiired: I don't know "Jack" about this caper, but I have come to understand that I know a bit more than some and I do have just a little bit of experience. I've watched the "Keyboard Romeo's" time and again and thought to myself, yep here it comes. Next thing you see is them back crying because someone has bitten their head off and handed their arse to them on a plate. You don't have to listen to me or accept anything I say, but don't toss out facts just because you don't like the lack of suger coating they are delivered with.
Usually we see two groups. The "Hot Air" group at one end, all blowing nice warm air up each other's bums and telling each other that it is all wonderful and how lucky they are to have "Just happened to find" their Russian lovely. They do just about every stupid thing in the book and then some. Usually they get BBQ'd sooner or later.
The other group is the "They are all bitches" group. Often a result of being in the first group. They can't cut the mustard in the big league and should have stayed home in the first place. You are right. This is not for everyone. But it is for some.
The facts, as always, are somewhere in the middle. Yes it is a tough row to hoe. People can preach Asians and Latinos and all the rest of the horseshit. I can say, "Been there, Done that" and although there is wonderful women all over, as for someone who will ultimately fit into American/Australian/New Zealand type cultures, uphold family values, stick to you like glue, never let you leave the home unfed (Physically or intimately)and be a partner to be proud of, the Eastern Girls are IT. But they are not for everyone.
They are not my protected species, and I have seen good and bad there too. However, I dismiss as ridiculous those who condemn, with a broad brush a wide diversity of people simply because through their own stupidity, they have been bitten on the arse.
I might hand it to a few people a bit rough, but I'd say 2 things with that. 1) If I didn't care, I wouldn't write. 2) You are in front of many because you have had someone honest enough to tell it the way it is and thus, are better prepared. However, I'll hammer anyone who comes with bullshit lines such as this or that group of people are no good because.........go look in the mirror.
There are some generalisations going on here such as 'When any of us make the decision to seek love abroad, it says one thing about us as men... we have lost control. Our women are so overbearing and selfish, our lives revolve around pleasing women who have no concept reciprication in a love affair.'.
What a load of bollox!
I spent some 5 years of trawling the FSU until I found the right lady and it wasn't because I consider other nationalities to be overbearing or selfish etc. and I learnt a lot during that time.
An agency is like a shop, they will put their best products in the window for people to look at but often these are merely 'display models' and when one ventures inside the shop he finds a load of dodgy or substandard products.
During my 5 years of looking I tried many different methods of finding the one, I'm sure that some of these methods I cannot even recall now, but the best way to go about it is to go 'independent'.
Forget your agencies, forget your socials, forget your organised tours, if you want to look via the internet then find ladies on websites that profile independently and not via an agency and/or if you want to travel then do it independently and not via some organisation that wants to profiteer, rip you off, every step of the way.
I was in Ukraine only last week and I heard a story of a lady, on a pay per letter site (he pays), who is writing to 43 guys, each of those 43 guys may too be writing to 43 ladies (just my speculation) and of each of his 43 ladies they may each be writing to 43 guys also and so it goes on, in such a scenario there are thousands of people involved in just one person trying to find another and the majority of it via pay per letter or agencies!
I'm just glad that I'm well out of this rat race :)
Skiired, Haven't heard two much how's it going Tom? Hopefully at the end of this month I'm coming down your way to meet Greg and Veta.
Now back to the story. I think I/O hits some points right on. The big push now that some have failed is the great Asian and South American wonders. Really, if it is so damned good there why do we have an immigration problem here and there not from the FSU.
The Bollocks, as was pointed out above is when a group of guys start trying to make this a scientific and it's my way or the highway approach because they think they are the great "Poverty Saviors" of these women. I've seen the list of 400 and every conceviable scammer slayer and all the idiotic methods and negative inputs about the search for women from the FSU.
This boils down to common sense. Why don't some guys get scammed? They use common sense. Why do some guys find ladies, they use common sense and treat these girls as human beings and not some commodity being traded at the market.
Why do some guys succeed. They use common sense and find women who have endured some of lifes ups and downs in a similar fashion and learned their reactions to lifes many problems.
Finding a lady in the FSU has it's problems. Being independent as quoted above is about as rational as an idea as you can get. Though I will disagree on some points, you don't need to dismiss agencies, they are your conduit to the ladies. On the other hand I wouldn't use their services for the exception of writing to a lady. That's why a place like this is useful. Sever her attachment to the Agency, one of the most difficult things to do. Do set up your own hotels, airfare etc. That's where these forums come in handy. It will impress your lady a bit that you take the initiative instead of having someone else do it for you. Then the biggest struggle and if she is real, convincing her to move to another country a million miles away. She may love the hell out of you, but if she doesn't take time and her own common sense to think that part through, well I don't need to elaborate. This was almost a three year process for me. From the first time I had written Larissa to the day she put here foot on the ground here and the almost three months after we got married.
An incredible journey. One I wouldn't trade for anything in the world. It took a lot of hard work, but mostly a truckload of common sense to dig through all the BS one has to deal with, with agencies,women and the crap dished out in these forums.
So to say one in ten of the women in the FSU are not legitmate, what does that say about the common sense of some men here?
Johnwill: If you want to be in touch with me, leave your email here. Sorry mate, I don't hang my contact up on these boards anymore. Got myself hated enough for telling the truth. LOL.
Martin_UK: Yeah I agree. Lost control.....!!!! Gaaaaaaaawwwd of what? The speed of "Mother palm" and her five faithful daughters...:) I didn't think that horseshit was worth a response because it was so off that it wouldn't do damage to the freshmen.
I also agree completely regarding agents of any sort, but I compromise to the extent that I advise a freshman to hook up with an agent as backup in case all else fails. Sortta saves 'em from being left wide eyed on the street corner of Someburg, dick in hand and a hopeful sad look on their face, only to be picked up by the local hookers. :-) You've seen it and so have I.
It sortta makes me laugh sometimes. "I'll go to the Phillipians or Latin America and find a nice kind little lovely that doesn't want to run the show because the last one I had at home beat my heart to pieces." Ever done battle with a Spaniard who is on her metal? Who Hooo they'll make your average Feminazi look like a powder puff. Ooops we seem to forget that Latin America and the Phillipians were colonised by the Spanish and are 40% or more Spanish blood now. LoL.
"If ya aint got the go to hoe the row, there won't be a show" and it doesn't matter where she comes from.
But anyway, back on topic. Yes there is many many false profiles. Look for candid photos to start with, although many eastern girls will go to a studio to have a few photos made. I prefer to see something more natural. The websites are a maze, but once you get through that, if you get seriously into the FSU there is some wonderful women there. Just don't expect them to be a pushover, because if you do, you will be the one being pushed over.
Hey Mike, things are going very well. I'm going back the beginning of next month for her interview and we'll be coming back together the end of March. I'm going to see Greg and meet Veta finally as soon as we can touch base. I'm going to give them a call tonight. I'll definitly be meeting you and Larissa before I leave if your coming down!
I actually agree with nasfan6 on a couple of points there:
Agencies can be acceptable to source a lady but dump the agency at the earliest given opportunity, and,
Travelling independently ..... As per my previous post but to take it one step further, an FSU lady will respect a guy who is able to think for himself and find his way from one country to another, one city to another, independently. She's less likely to respect some 'dumbo' who can barely put one foot in front of the other without having an agency to do it for him.