A LOT of women still want to get out of the FSU and move to America. A LOT of people still want to move to America.
While watching television in the Moldova I saw countless commericals promoting the Green Card Lottery. Many were in English. "You can, live work and study in the USA!" was how they all began. Everyone I knew was familiar with the Green Card Lottery and most were only too eager to apply (Fliers on windshileds promoted services costing around $60 - when the State Department doesn't even charge an Application fee.)
People still want to study, live and work in the US. They just might want to marry you for the chance to do it.
Tom I was going to try this weekend but moved into a new position at work. I was going to meet with Greg and Veta at Daytona this weekend oh well, Now it looks like the end of Feb. Which would be cool for all of us to get together. Good Man going to the Interview! I think it's really key on both sides. It gives her great confidence knowing that you are there and the Consular People know you are there. It's also nice since she goes to the head of the line with an American, instead of standing outside waiting like so many did when we got to the interview.
God that explained the earth shaking today. Martin and I agreed on two things!!
Agreed, dump it immediately, stop them from controlling the situation.
yes you are right in many respects. You know your stuff and deserve some respect for that. With all that in mind... Lets get down to business...
You talk about how FSU girls are not looking to leave their homelands and once again you are right. Why would she leave the FSU with a guy whos probably many years her senior??? Of course there is love, but the promise of a soft pampered life is probably a more likely answer.
ALERT ALERT... i am a one trip wonder, as much as you would like to think otherwise, my reception was not too bad, but i accredit that to the agency putting its best foot forward but what the agency did not know is that i was out on the streets for many hours during the day. Watching and taking notes on this new culture. People just did not seem warm and friendly, but i did not interact much because of the language barrier. If there was any redeeming quality of the people and the culture, i just did not see it. Maybe i really did just miss the boat. Girls were very pretty, but did not smile much, were not expressive and did not say much. Really not my type.... You say FSU girls are "IT".... why??? Beauty is not everything, and i have no need for a trophy wife. So explain to me.... why do these girls spin your top???
"Got myself hated enough for telling the truth. LOL."... not true. You do tell the truth, but there is no need to put your wisdom is such a vulgar and rude way. When i see this i think one thing..... Is this what FSU girls go for?? I am a kind a gentle man. If it takes arrogance and rudeness to catch an FSU girl, then i will be proud to say i do not have what it takes to woo a woman from the FSU. I will pamper my latina and filipina princesses with much love and affection until for all my days.
vivalavegas: You make a couple of good observations. Vulgarity and severity are metered out from I/O's "Clue Bat" in very measured and thought through doses. Why? Because I have learned through long experience, some people listen when you get their attention. Most hate it, but a good friend is one who tells it in a language all understand. Yes, I can gloss it all up very nicely too, perhaps even write elequently if I so choose. But the bigger percentage don't get it and just rush merrily like a bunch of lemmings towards their ultimate crash and burn. Don't think for one minute I enjoy the failures. I said before, if I didn't care I wouldn't write.
Let me pull an extract from one chapter or my auto bio for you. It is a pity this forum doesn't have more editing fuctions, however for your benifit having been to the FSU just once, here was part of my reflection after the first trip................
For the international traveler, Russia is a complex mixture of fierce security, unintelligible language, unsmiling faces and spectacular beauty and warmth. One who has not seen Russia could never fully understand the extremes in standards which exist. Without language or guide or clear plan, the challenge which faced me was a wonderful relief from and helped to vanquish the bitter memories of recent times, probably almost forever.............................
The point is, right on...!!! The first time you are there, if you have no language and are reliant on agents and guides etc, it seems very unfriendly, BTW that is Europe period. However, when you start to develop a TRUE understanding, you find something very different. Hence I always advise anyone NOT to place much importance on the first trip. Just remember ..."Easy to know and easy they go".
Why do the FSU girls float my boat: Not all of them do, but the majority are far in front of others in the ways I mentioned up thread..........Family values, Stick with you through anything, never let you leave the home unfed (Physically or intimately) intelligence and education, pride in themselves and their appearance,(Don't try to tell me it is not important, it is) take a genuine womanly pride in ensuring their man is content, understand a PARTNERSHIP and can operate independantly. Sheeeesh the last thing I needed was to be raising a child who had the right to say no to me.
I got sad news for you when you really start to get to know the Philipinos and the Latins. Yes of course there is good women there and I have been fortunate enough to date a couple of them for extended periods over the years, but if you think you are going to get one home and coddle your little lovely happily ever after, you might as well stand if front of a moving bus right now, because at least you will get an understanding of how it will feel in a few years. You're a dead man walking if you really believe what you appear to.
You comment that a few girls wish to get out for the soft life elsewhere and as such will accept the older man. Yes some. But not many and that is precisely where most men come unstuck. They think they have something material to offer and by and large those days are gone in the FSU. It just wont cut it in that league now. Sure everyone wants a good life, but in many places, the life there is not near as tough as it once was and the "Home Grown Men" options are improving rapidly also.
Now how do you like that? I/O's nice polite new style. Pretty snazzy huh? You dash off and find Latino Lovely and check back in with the reality report in about five years and we'll see how you're doing. In the meantime, remove your large head from where it is right now because I suspect your anal muscle is about to choke you. BTW the view will be a lot clearer also.
Yeah that will be cool for us all to get together. Id like to go to Daytona too but looks like I'll be watchin from tv again.
For sure I want to be with her for the interview plus I want to be with her when she says goodbye to everyone. In the time I lived with her over there I became close with her family, they are great people. Only thing though Mike, I don't think the Moscow Embassy is going to let me near the place. Imagine that, here I am born in America and the US Embassy will not let me go there with her, go figure. I guess I'll just hang out on the street, lol.
I/O... the FSU really still is undiscovered country for me, but do not think i am an inexperienced traveler. I have doing the philippines for 10 years and latin america for 15. I have done the "mail order bride" thing already. Although it did not last, it was a wonderful 7+ years and i would be thrilled to do it again. There is no need to talk down to me. I can offer just as much wisdom on this subject as you, just on a different parts of the world. Sometimes i think about the FSU, that i may have somehow missed the boat. So i come out here, and visit your guys at fiance.com and when i see the pure arrogance of such successful blowhards as yourself, i can happily buy my next plane ticket to Lima or Manila. Keep on doing the good work I/O, your experience is almost priceless. Just try not to give the FSU a bad name by being a rude boy.
vivalasvegas: There is one real difference between you and I. That is you, by your own admission are a proven failure over a long period of time in the pursuit of a lasting international relationship and you still don't "GET IT". Hints...A blowhard is one that can't back it up and wisdom is the Prudent use of knowlege. Go figure..........
"FSU" isnt country or state!
Russians are not unfriendly, just americans seem for europeans too familiar, loud and talkative!
About smiling...right now its -12 outside, some time ago it was -23 in my country, at night -30. Give me a reason for smiling!
In Tai or Philipines they dont get heating bills:)They dont need to buy extra winter boots and fur coats!
In my country even every kids must have ski equipment for cross skiing at school! Its dont cost a little and skis might broke!
But happily people dont expect me here to glow smile in the morning!
I/O... Personal attacks?? so soon?? Looks like you are living up to your definition of a blowhard, after all the topic of this thread is "are these girls real?".. I say mostly no, and have stated my case. Now if i am wrong, debate me like a man. I just cant understand what the draw is with FSU girls other then their looks??
1)Isnt the divorce rate in the FSU a wee bit higher then the US??? So much for family values....
2)The language barrier is huge in the FSU, Spanish is at least managable in Latin america and english is spoken widely in the philippines.
3)The FSU much more dangerous then other places. I went with a tour group and there was 3 "incidents"... none of which i was involved in.
4)Sincerity is also a huge problem, anyone can find a decent sincere girl on the internet from Asia or Latin America. When you look in the FSU, it takes months to find someone who is sincere.
5)Expenses... if someone will make multiple trips to another country to find love, why go start in most expensive place?
So in answer to the big question.... is this real? It cant be. Other places offer better prizes and a more optimal atmosphere to find love. i must also acknowledge that some have been successful in the FSU, but not everyone is super rich or super lucky. Some people win the lottery too. I urge all newbies to this site, to move your attentions to another part of the world, go where you have a somewhat decent chance at success.
Vivalavegas: Attacks as you call them were and are based on the ridiculous notions you put forward when you stated that only 10% of the girls are real and the FSU is the worst place to find a partner. Had you stated the same thing about Latin America or wherever, I'd have hit you with the same clue bat, because it would be just as worng.
By your own admission you know little to nothing about the area and yet you have the gall to make sweeping condemnations. You also advised others to line up several young girls in some poorer country and visit them a few times each year. THEN when you get your pathetic sex tourisim promoting arse bitten off and handed back to you, you spend umpteen hours thinking about how to promote yourself as some nice guy with principals.
The moment you posted that comment about choosing a few and visiting them all several times in a year, your credibility was shot to pieces for ever. You might have a few cronies who feel a bit sorry for you and jump in with a little "Hear Hear" now and again, but that will never remove the fact of your post.
You see, if you want to go to Latin America or timbuctoo for all I care, that's fine, but don't try to justify that decision by condeming a wide group of people whom you know nothing about. If you have any decency in you at all, you have the courage to make a decision and that is that. I've seen this more times than I can count over time. Some drip doesn't know how to justify their decision because they are not so sure that it is the correct one, thus they try to bag everything else. That is exactly what you did in your post upthread and added worse to it. You effectively and actively promoted sex toursim.
If you had come on and said, Hey guys, I've decided that the FSU ain't for me and I have decided to look in Latin America, I would have nodded and said to myself, "Smart Guy" he knows what he is looking for.
I make no apology for ripping the guts out or anyone and handing it back to them who promote sex tourism, racism and stupid uninformed broad brush judgements.
You quote divorce rates. Yep 50% in the USA domestic marriages. Same here. USA/FSU marriages, 25%. Same down here. Lets have the numbers up for Asian/USA marriages. You'll find it'll be much the same. Reason: People who seek a foreign partner usually put a lot more work in than those who just meet at home. Tis as 'tis.
As for risks in travelling in the FSU, your implications are simply nonsense. I have crawled all over the area like a bad rash, alone and in the early times when it had a much worse reputation than it has now and I have never, I repeat never had a problem with personal security anywhere. BTW I never spoke a word of the language when I went in first up. Have you been around the back streets of Lima LOL or Bogata recently. Your comments are too far off to even consider further.
Costs: Debatable. Yes the major cities can be expensive but outside that it is one of the cheapest places to be anywhere I have been and that includes L/A, in fact 27 countries if memory serves me.
As for your sincerity comment, I'd suggest you talk to a few of the Au boys who got screwed by the Philipinos. We got over them 10 years ago. They have been shafting guys down here for 30 years. Certainly there is some nice women there, but again, you'll search long and hard to find a really suitable one.
Two points I do think I would favour L/A by if I was living in USA are these. Spanish is certainly easier to learn from English base than Russian. L/A is closer.
My final point to you is this. I don't accept luck has much to do with it wherever you search. Smart people often seem to get lucky whist dumbasses always seem to be unlucky.
Most of the failures I have seen on here, are with women that are 20 years their junior.
Though many guys want to inflate their egos with a trophy wife, the eventually get hit with the idiot stick and the problems arise. Or issues with children etc. I think as in my case, I had raised a child so I wrote off women with children and women wanting children. At 48 I wasn't ready to start a family again. Nor did I need to inflate my ego. I don't need gene pool dominance.
The thing that really astonished me, was the beauty of the women over 40. They really have taken care of themselves over the years. My wife is 45 she looks in her late 20's. She's eats healthy, she exercises and she takes time each day to take care of herself and pamper herself. She has commented to me many times, don't american women respect themselves enough to not walk around like a bunch of slobs? Different cultures.
I/O I don't know if I agree with you on the closer and cheaper aspect. Price tickets from Chicago to Forteleza Brazil, one of my favorite places I've been besides Perth WA. Not much difference, so you can shoot the economy issue out the door. Closer maybe in time but sure as hell not cheaper by dollars.
The Phillipines and Thailand the hotspots now. I wouldn't give you the time of day for either. I lived in one for two months and visted the other. Phillipines are just as dangerous as anywhere else if your an idiot. Thailand per capita has more hookers than any other country. I think I'll pass. Another version of Russian roulette, pass around six women and see who gets the clap.
I think when some guys fail, they become very vindictive. That's why I've been against the posting scammers on this forum. Who knows who scammed who? I also become suspect when someone posts racism in this forum and condemning another poster for acknowledging agreement when another concurs with his post. They won't have the testicular fortitude to assault a liar in the same way. I have less patience for a liar than I do a racist. I have never travelled anywhere in my life where racism is more prevelant than in Western and Eastern Europe.
I don't see a defined success or failure in this forum. I'm far from a success and I will only be a success 20-30 years from now when I'm taking my last breath and looking at my wife and saying we stood strong together all these years and made it work. Then and only then will I know that I was truly successful being Married to my Ukrainian wife, who is a gift from God to me.
I/O... how sad you think as you do. When you went to the FSU, you never had your "lineup" of girls you had written to?? and perhaps you had sex with one of these girls on one of your many trips....?? wouldn't that be sex tourism ?? C'mon man.... we are more alike then you would like to think.
Yes it is a ridiculous to say that only 10% the those girls are real. The real number is probably much smaller. I stand corrected
By your own admission, it would be stupid to file a KI after the first trip. Go see your friends a few times, this sound familiar? Bet you did it too.
sweeping condemnation??? by pointing out barriers in language, divorce rate... etc.. is this a sweeping condemnation when such things are legit points and i think you know it, so you try to twist me into a racist, or a sex tourist....
I would advocate keeping her in her country though, no matter where she is from. Too many have been scammed and their numbers increase daily. If this puts me in the sex tourism catagory, so be it. Aint nothing wrong with pullin a girl out of the pattys,settin her up with an apartment and a job in the local mall. I manage to spend 2 months a year out of the country with her. It works for me... works for her too. I will await my judgement at heavens gate on that one.
Lets see your source for those divorce rates....?? The closest study showed an 80% failure rate. You could be right, but lets crunch the numbers or would it be too racist to look into that??
As for the risks of traveling, i personally was on the back streets of manila less then 3 weeks ago.... no problem. In my single trip to the FSU, the group couldnt walk 4 blocks without getting into some kind problem. Perhaps this could be accreditted to the group being a bunch of noobies who were making their 1st trip out of the country. We shoud also consider all the scams you need to be worried about. In Lima, if you get scammed by the taxi driver, it costs you an extra 5 bucks. In the FSU, the taxi driver charges you $50 then calls the cops. danger comes in many shapes and forms overseas, you know this too.
Costs... Ok lets compare, Moscow to Lima... or Manila to Kiev. There is no debate. Honestly, any country can be a cheap vacation if you stay with your girl in her place while her family scrounges the deals for you.
Yes, lets talk about the AU boys who got burned by the filipinas. So whats your point, it happens in the FSU too. Just goes to show what happens when you dont keep her in her country for a few years while you really get to know her. On a side note, i have seen how those AU boys treat the girls in the PI, and your manner and attitude is consistant with the behaviour i have come to expect from the AU boys. It is no wonder those poor filipinas go for the throat. I treated mine like a princess, and even though she left, i did not get the shaft and we are still quite friendly.
Yes spanish is easier to learn then russian. all the more reason to start your search in L/A. Oops was that a racist condemnation??
"My final point to you is this. I don't accept luck has much to do with it wherever you search. Smart people often seem to get lucky whist dumbasses always seem to be unlucky."
So really, who is the lucky one....? the guy who brings his FSU bride to the states, let her become americanized, gets left and heartbroken.... or the guy who keeps a girlfriend or two in the philippines and stay in control. Perhaps you did get lucky, and found a woman who can deal with the level of arrogance that you have displayed here. Do you treat your FSU wife in the same way or maybe she is just like you ?? Either way i feel sorry for you in a way, maybe has your FSU beauty failed to make you happy? Were you always so bitter and angry or is that the result of being with an FSU girl?
it makes you wonder why this previous poster above here who states that he allegedly is against racism goes searching is eastern europe for a WHITE bride.
surely a black woman would be more to your politically correct tastes in say dominican republic. certainly a lot nearer that the journey across the atlantic.
vivalavegas: You really are trying to make something of your perceived likeness to myself. Sort of trying to hang off coat tails type stuff. It's just too funny.
I gotta say, when the day comes when I need a brain transplant, I hope I can have yours because it is brand spanking new.
Yeah anyone can judge a nations people by the few, just like you have judged Aussies by the range of idiots who still go up to Thailand from here. They don't exactly make me stand in pride either to be honest. However, isn't it good that I don't judge Americans or wherever you are from by you and your standards. As another poster stated, the biggest single scam is our respective govenments giving passports to scum.
Actually, I didn't have a line up of letter recipients when I went into the FSU. You see if you have the "goods" and move in the right circles it'll happen without all that, but my exposure to the FSU in the first instance is simply not applicable to most people seeking a foreign partner.
If you want to pull some slag from the bars of Sukumvit road or Pattya or Chon Buri and piss in her pocket with an apartment and a few trinkets so you are certain of getting a lay when you get there, thats just fine, but the only reason I can imagine you are promoting your cause on here is to try to corner some permanent clientelle for her so she can continue to pay her way. Tell you what......when you clean up after you get your next dose of the clap after your little honey has done you and all the rest over, give me a call and I'll give you the names and addresses of some really decent families up the the high end of Ratchada, but I guess that would just be too far out of your league. The people I know don't do "Tom Yum Massage for 100 baht a blow" LOL. See, guys like you just never quite make it, because you aim second class and invariably succeed.
It's a pretty big man who can't keep control over the situation enough to even have his woman live in the same house with him long term. Ever bigger man that tries to keep her hold up in some other country because he is so afraid of her that he wouldn't be game to bring her home. Or is that she is so fugly that he wouldn't want to be seen with her on his own patch. Me thinks the latter. Here kitty kitty, we got ourselves a mouse in the house. LOL
If you think I am bitter and angry, you should see me when something actually annoys me. I actually thought I'd been pretty nice to you. I've quite enjoyed this hoot. You are almost right about one thing, my other half can get a lot tougher than I can. She says quite often that I am much too soft and forgiving to other people.
I would be inclind to agree with you, if you did have a few problems in Ukraine or wherever you were. I've never done the group tourist thing, but I can well imagine the local "Hoots" would watch such a group arrive and pick them off block by block. Be kind of like taking food from blind children. A no brainer. But as we know, Thailand and others always have two price for everything.
Oh BTW back to the strength of my other half, yeah she'd spread your guts from Terminal 2 to Ramah VII road without even feeling the bump, she'd probably do it in 4 or 5 languages also on a bad day. But you see, I am just smart enough to realise that the trick to being successful is to surround yourself with people of your own equal or better and that includes the nearest partner of all.
Go, enjoy your Asian or L/A lovelies but please demonstrate just a touch of decency by not vomiting your failure generated bile over a group of people who are simply way out of your league. Hopefully you will feel much better once you get that $4200 paid down on your Amex card. :-)
I hate responding like this because I hate pissing contests with the ignorant. But I have to get this off my chest.
$4,200 ??? You got off cheap !
Have you even begun to think this all through ?
Will I confess Iím somewhat of a rookie, or freshman (as the case may be), Iíve at least give a little thought to the finances of the matter.
Youíre right, to the 3rd world, youíre not going to get the $169 round-trip to Disneyland. Airfare is going to cost money. Iím guessing that if Iím lucky, itís only going to be three round trips for me, and one round trip for the lady. Again, if Iím lucky ! And then wouldnít it be nice if you thought enough of your intended to make another trip to pick her up, so that she doesnít have to make a trip half way around the world into the unknown, but instead has someone to hold her hand. By the way, have you done enough homework to find you that you have to buy the lady a round-trip ticket in order to get a fiancť visa ? Ö. Just in case you donít marry within the 90 days she isnít stranded. Hereís an easy $4,000.
And how about the money for the immigration attorney ? Thatís another $2,000, not including applications fees, filing fees, cost of physical examinations, etc., etc., etc. Now were at $3,000 and that assumes there arenít any problems.
And have you even looked at the ďAffidavit of Financial ResponsibilityĒ ? They actually want to know how much money you make, how much money you have in the bank, the value of your stocks, bonds and other assets. They want to know how much your home is worth and how much you owe on it. They want to know what your business is worth. In short, they want to make sure that you are financially responsible enough to actually support another human being to a responsible standard for the first three years. They know it costs money. Just three square meals a day will cost you $100 per week even if you pinch pennies. Thatís $5,000 just for year one. And we havenít mentioned even routine doctors and dentist visits.
And one would hope youíd have the decency to put more than a piece of cubic zirconia on her finger. Do you really think a cubic zirconia for $200 at Sears Roebucks is appropriate ?
And who is going to pay for the wedding ? Some of us would require a ceremony with greater dignity than is afforded at the Elvis Chapel on the Las Vegas Strip.
My point is, that this is not a poor manís sport. It takes a commitment far beyond the $4,200 you shot to hell in Kiev.
Martin_UK: You may be right, but I didn't kinda get that out of his post. I got that if he was lucky which he was conceeding unlikely, he might limit his trips to 3 plus one to bring his lady home and then the cost of her trip on top of that.
I'd agree 100% that if anyone meets and agrees to marriage on a first trip, they gotta be mad, but I really don't think that's the point the poster is making. Maybe I missed something?