I meant over all other LATIN AMERICA -- just my opinion. A friend of mine met his bride there. She was a knockout. He didn't deserve her. She was a pentalcostal -- what was he thinking? She was very strict.
Apal
To me your reply is an interesting reply.
i think you are correct in your observation about Colombian ladies. Whats this about Costa Rican ladies are they not to be trusted?
"Izi
Hope things are looking up for you. It was an adventure. Right?"
Yes it was QC. Your voice is one of reason on this board. It is so nice to hear polite balanced posts after the hysterical drivel that spouts from Nas. All this silly talk of "real men", "losers" and "whiners" is so juvenile. It is like a little 4 year old shouting shut up repeatedly because it can't get its own way.
Anothermug
Yes you should try Thailand. I cannot wait to go again. Make no mistake about it the girls there are money oriented. It is part of their culture the difference is that they don't hide it. It is part of the system. Nas would have you believe that it is the STD capital of the world. Nothing could be further from the truth.
There are problems with marrying a Thai girl but not if it is done right. Also there is nothing wrong with girls in bars. They fall into dozens of categories. Many of them are only there to find a husband. It is far to complex to just explain in a silly little post on Fiance.com's forum.
The men that go also fall into many, many categories. There are many arrangements made there that are as plentiful as colors in the rainbow.
Obviously QC has found one that works for him. I have a friend from England called Alan. He has retired to Pattaya and lives quietly in a small apartment. He is not short of money however barely drinks at all and has a girlfriend called M. She works in a bar but is not involved in any sex for money work. She loves Alan. He is much older than her. She would love to move in with him but he likes his quiet life. Once in a while she stays with him. No money changes hands. His brother also lives there and has bought a house. He has a live in girlfriend, Thai of course, she is quite overweight unusual for a Thai girl. She loves him to death and nothing seems to give these guys more pleasure than sitting in one of the bars nursing a beer all afternoon and watching the parade go by.
I also have a lady friend there called U. She is great friends with M. We went to temples together along with many other friends. It is not some giant whorehouse unless you want that. It is there and no mistake but Thailand can also be very easy on your nerves. The Thais are generally not at all dangerous or threatening in any way. I made many friends there. The races seem to be blending together somewhat.
All in all I like the place even if it is unhygienic sometimes and there is a definite seeamy side. The food is great and Singha beer is one of the best I have drunk:)
On the other hand we have FSU. Everything that as been said I agree with. There is far too much pride for nothing if you ask me. They are ruthless and not to be trusted. I saw many many examples in my fruitless search. I have been called a fraud and I guess a liar. For what reason I do not know. I tried to strike up an honest relationship and all that happened was that I was the one being struck for sure. I did learn a great deal though. Enough to know that I would never in a million years entertain the idea of going back to the dump that calls itself Russia or Ukraine or Latvia. They are all real dumps and even Russians I know over here have no desire to go back even to visit.
Which begs the question why did they want to come here?
To better themselves of course not because some American or Brit came riding up on a white horse to sweep them off their feet.
FSU women are pushy and hard and scheming. It isn't just what they tell you and the way that can get bent but what they DON'T tell you. Remember that you new faces who are in love with pictures and charming words. There is ALWAYS a story behind the story.
Guys, this forum has turned against the men who are forever singing the praises of FSU women. They are now in the minority. Why do you think that is?? Are we all liars?? No we are the experienced ones who learned better.
I hope all that have gone to such lengths to find a wife in Russia or similar are happy for the rest of their lives and yes even you Mr Nasfan. Please enjoy success and joy. It never ceases to amaze me that all of us naysayers wish you that have married well. However we who have gone down different roads are not rated with the same courtesy. I would guess that this would speak volumes about the mental and emotional stability of "the success stories". Just what ARE their personalities like? Hmmm :)
However anyone else mark well the words being spoken here by Viva, QC, myself (occasionally) and many others. Go by the 'manly' rhetoric of those that decry us. Think very carefully about the potential bear trap you want to stick your foot into. You may have to gnaw it off to gain your freedom.
p.s. I also agree this is SUCH a better place without that know-it-all, weasel MartinUK. The biggest trouble maker that has ever darkened these virtual pages.
Hi Dens - What I said about Colombia is from direct first-hand experiences during my recent 2 and a half month stay there. I just got back a few weeks ago.
I happened to meet a man who had just came from Costa Rica and he was trying to start a marriage agency, so he did several months in evaluating Costa Rica for just his purpose.
What he told me was that there was no way in hell he would ever try to do that in Costa Rica. His words: "Prostitution with young single women was more rampant there than any country he had ever been to." We discussed what I had learned on Colombia and he took it under advisement that there were indeed an increasing amount of young prostitutes seeking foreign men for marriage.
Honduras - no one at all bad mouthed it in the slightest. Everyone had quaint stories about the place. This is a shining example of good US policy that helped normalize the place back during Reagon years I can only guess that they got it right...
Izi - wtf? I am not one to bad-mouth Thailand, but its erroneous and callous to bad-mouth the FSU and its people in such a wanton disregard for decency.
I visited the place, met the youngest, sweetest-seeming, most vile, lying, gold-digger that I have ever heard or read about - close up and in person. I also ran into businesses and found out how corrupt the Odessa really is and how they have no qualms about how they make money off of Westerners.
Yet, I find it vulgar to place these immoral individuals as a general idea and complete and accurate depiction of the place and its people to anyone trying to visit it for the first time. It would be the equivalent of some Japanese tourist heading to South Central LA and reporting back that all American's are violent gang members and why he now walks funny from by all the people giving it to his backside.
People are people all over the world. To generalize anything in this huge spectrum of life in such a heavy-handed, self-centric manner is to trivalize the common sense of everyone reading what you have written.
Not going to disagree with what you personally experienced, but it was simply just that, a personal impression of the place.
Apel
Get over yourself. The place is a dump. I have traveled all over the world and the FSU is one of the worst places I have been to give me Guatemala any time.
It isn't vulgar (what the heck is that word doing in here:) It is the truth. I have mnany FSU friends and they think it is a dump. I know what I saw and experienced not once but many times. America is bad in spots. The entire FSU is a dump. Oh unless you can spend a lot of money although that is true everywhere. It is especially true in the 3rd world and that is of course exactly what the FSU really is.
Adios for another couple of months. Apel look up what the word 'lemming' means in the dictionary.
Densven..... you have made such a great point with your wig. In Latin America, or asia.. you dont need no stinkin' wig. Stand tall and show your bald head. In asia, you will find someone who will like you, who will recognize you as a kind man and sincerly want to be with you..... GRANTED you wont be dating any 20 year old super models (unless u adopt a bargirl) BUT you will find someone who is sincere and genuine. (and i PROMISE it wont take long) The same hold true in latin america... but u will need to find someone close to your age, and give up a little on looks, but she too will be sincere.
Nas... I will forgive your rudeness for the sake of the expression of ideas on a forum dedicated to international dating. I will not stoop to name calling or finger pointing. Instead i offer a story, a story to educate those stuck on the folly of love in the FSU....
I went to all three parts of the world during the last 2 years looking for the one best for me. I went on an agency tour for the ukraine and Peru trip, as for the philippines.... no agency needed. As i spoke to the fine ladies of these 3 continents, i asked them all the same question... "What would you REALLY REALLY want to do with your life..................
In Peru, the overwheming answer was... I want to go work!! Marrige and Career!!.... when i throw the question of babies in, their attitude was "sure, after work".... A girl like this is a wonderful choice for for your average Joe USA citizen who may be past their baby making years.
In the philippines... the overwhelming responce was "babies babies and more babies" When asked about work, they say yes, to please the husband, and help provide for family back home, but career something to be thrown away at a moments notice for the sake of family (and husband). A girl like this is a wonderful choice for for average USA joe citizen, looking to start a family.
In the FSU... the answer was "money money money" followed by a list of "i want, i want, i want." I want a mercedes. I want a big house. I want nice things... and i DONT want to work. I want to make ONE baby, stay home and care for our "things" Never did i hear an FSU girl mention anything about giving anything of herself. A girl like this is a wonderful choice for a naive rich boy, who seeks to buy a trophy wife, only to take her out of the closet for company parties, family gatherings, and a quick roll. It is the height of foolishness to think that if i can just just give her enough $$$, she will stay with me. How long will it be before im working 3 jobs, while she sits at home buying new french doors for the house she is going to own when she divorces my no-pre-nup a**, and get it all, she will, when she tells the judge how i "slapped her around"
Give me a latina anyday, a real partner to compete with in the workplace. Who will inspire me to new heights in life and give her all to propel us both to great wealth and happiness.
Give me a filipina, who will nurture and care for my every need. Who will put my needs above her own and do all she can to make me happy. Now that is love gentlemen!!
Forget the snake pit of the FSU. I seek an equal, not a master to rule my every move. I will not marry to be told to work harder... or else. In the end, you will never earn enough to keep her, she can get a richer guy then me with the bat of an eyelash. Asians and Latins will inspire their men to new heights through love. They dont need to find a richer man to get what they want. Their love will inspire you to move mountains and become greater then what you were before.
Funny how Viva and Izzi post almost on the same times. Izzi is a bust out from the get go. Lemming? Viva and Izzi email each other often. This is there childish way to destroy someones opportunity to be successful. I met some people who Izzi knows down in Florida. So don't buy into to much of his horseshit. Those same people Izi used to show great disdain for, he now acts like.
Hysterical drivel? Hardly chap. STD capital of the world, nope but holds more prostitutes than any other country in the world. Thailand is a third world shit hole country. Been there More times than you Izabelle. As for the idiotic post from Viva of how Christian the PI is. Well I think that can be debated quite extensively, since organized religion was way ahead of time in Ukraine before missionaries ever hit the soil of the Phillipines. 75 years of communism did not destroy the relegious fabric in Ukraine. Funny how many people I saw at St. Sophia's cathedral for the easter vigil my pagan wife had to attend. Or the first thing this atheist girl had to do is buy a scapula of her patron saint in Kiev. There were also some very beautiful women at this vigil. Now my pagan atheist wife attends Prince of Peace Catholic church with me. Wow she must be scamming all the way through the Eucharist.
Now lets go to Izi'z ruthless and can't be trusted. Look in the mirror pal, can you be trusted? Hardly, before you call the girls in the FSU as ripoff artists, I think you need to come clean with this forum. You know damned well what I'm talking about. That is Hypocricy at its finest, I think you even have surpassed MartinUK in the hypocricy department.
Don't even waste your time telling me you wish me well. I know that's absolute bullshit also. Or you would have never made the comment, that the only reason my wife is with me, is because I have money. You're an envious little snake who blames everyone else for your failures in life. You're a big mouth blowhard that has little to offer this forum. Don't go blaming that on the guy from Naples I heard it from someone else, you said the same thing about him. Personally I don't even know why he puts up with you besides that he's an absolute prince of a human being. Me I would have broomed your sorry ass down the road a long time ago. Yeah Steve you are an absolute loser. I could tell from the get go here you were going to fail. So enjoy Thailand, and all it's wonders. Remember in a blind world a one eyed man is king.
You want courtesy but you don't extend it. You want all you can get from anyone your around. We call them mooches in my area.
Also hypocricy, which you know well, you slam the illegal cubans in Florida, but didn't you do the same damn thing Izi? You're pretty much a zero and hypocrite.
So quit stroking the newbies in here Steve and come clean and tell them how corrupt an individual you are. I'm glad Apal only has one word to look up to understand, maybe you should try, thief, liar, misleading, mooch, disrespectful, courtesy one which you want from others but understand it's definition very little. You're a sorry little misfit trying to find a place to shine, when it doesn't take that at all to succeed in the FSU. Just some honesty and integrity takes you a long way, really it takes you a long way everywhere.
Funny how you and the Retard in Vegas have posted almost on similar dates the the last three times you both posted. You're both a couple of spiteful losers. Yep Viva and QC the voices of reason to the deaf of mind. You're pathetically laughable Steve.
The only spiteful one here is you Mike. Your posts are vicious and unnescesary the good opinion is the one that agres with you isn't it. You are dishonest in much of what you write and I am baffled why you are so rude and obnoxious. Are you like this to everyone that you meet in your life? Perhaps that is why you needed to go abroad to find a wife.
That is enough guter stooping for me. Find somebody else to quarrel with and vent your oversized spleen on.
densven
yes certainly it is good idea to avoid fsu countries altogether now as the other poster here izi,or apal (cant find his sentence at moment ) has mentioned on this thread it is the womens lack of gratitude and i have not figured out why the women lose their temper about innocent nothings however much money spend on them. Spend 3 weeks with a ukranian women and she will erupt sooner or later about nothing.
Also why do they sulk and stop taliking in the taxi? i paid for everthing!! She sulks, BIZARRE.
Yep densven Honduras women sound ok a better alternative.I will look into this but not seen any web sites on honduras women yet.
Do not use Ukraine Wife Now. Kiev Connection is very honest and reputable by comparison. Dave Gaynor of Ukraine wife Now will take your money and give you next to nothing.
Viva
I don't need your forgiveness. Since your rudeness towards a culture and country goes without saying. Also If I remember correctly all your disdain for the FSU comes from just one trip to Ukraine where you admitted that you were there as just a sex tourist? Pretty much shoots your credibility in the ground. You absolution I will hardly ever need.
Seems to me now that you trips to the PI are nothing more than the same. You comment that the average Joes can't do it in the FSU, well I'm going to visit another Average Joe next weekend that did it. He's also from this forum.
The problem Viva, is the girls in Ukraine and the FSU are a little smarter than falling for your scam, which in your mind you thought, well here I am, I'm doing you third world girls a favor, when in essence you're in a third world country now, doing the same thing, only they buy it in the PI. Doesn't render much to me. See you can try to bullshit guys on this board about PI, I worked there and lived among them, I know how they operate. Hell the hookers had pictures of Jesus and a crucifix on the wall, doesn't make them religious. Or heres a random act of Christianity, a marine with his throat slit outside some hookers house and on the door a crucifix. And before you say it's because of the naval base, these girls came from all over the PI, Luzon, Manila, Leyte the list goes on and on. The morality just didn't exist in Olongapo.
A Chief on my boat Married a girl het met in Manila, and spent time with her on leave and etc. They got married, as soon as she hit the ground in the states she disappeared. So much for the honesty and integrity and not being a gold digger.
You and your buddy Izi failed miserably because of who you are, not because of the women in the FSU. Now your both slumming in third world countries pumping the merits of it, when it's worse than anywhere in Ukraine or Russia. Though your one trip gives you the right to broad stoke a whole culture which you know very little about, and even less about the one you're playing in now.
As I am a newbie to this forum , I thought that I'd throw in my 2 cents regarding the FSU. I may not have many posts credited to me on this forum, but I just came home from an incredible trip to Moldova.
I live in the Mid-West USA (Ohio to be specific). After suffering the type of typical divorce with an American woman that so many of us can relate to (hmmm. where's my house, my car - wow $902 a month child support for one child, etc...) I still hadn't given up on the concept of marriage. After more unsuccessful relationships with more American women I decided to throw my hat in the ring and search for a woman of the FSU.
I corresponded with 9 women. Were some of them insincere? Yep. Were some of them just out for the all powerful American buck? Yep. Were some of them just looking for a green card? Maybe. However - I think you can walk down any street in the Good "old USA and meet a woman who perhaps has the same motives as some of the women mentioned above (except ovbiously the green card).
So, I narrowed my efforts to just one woman and after writing, sending sms messages and countless calls that progressed for 7 months, I packed my bags, took 3 flights with layovers longer than the actual flights themselves and ended up in Chisinau.
I can't even begin to describe my thoughts while on the flight's over. Maybe I can convince the pilot to make a u-turn, maybe just try and book an immediate return flight as soon as I land, etc... Getting off the plane and seeing my Tatiana made it all worth while.
Maybe I went about things differently than some of the guys who haven't been successful. I'm 41 years old, upper middle class - nope - I don't have a mercedes or 5,000 square foot mansion or the 60' yacht. I'm a single dad to a 5 year old son. I tried to be realistic in my search. I wasn't seeking Barbie (been there done that - I write a check every month for thinking with the "small" head"). Instead I found a woman 6 years younder than me with a 5 year old daughter. Why is is he divorced? Her husband cheated on her while she was pregnant and wound up getting another woman pregnant.
My girl never asked for anything while we corresponded and she got pissed when I sent her some gifts for her daughter's birthday. When I arrived at the airport she had already paid for the car to bring her there (she doesn't drive or own a car). While I was there we rented an apartment. I tried every day to take her out to nice restaurants, instead she DRAGGED me to the "supermarket" where we bought our own groceries and she cooked (Finally she let me take her out to dinner for a couple of $30 meals). I wasn't even allowed in the kitchen to help with the dishes.
When we returned to the airport to drop me off for my return flight I had the equivalent of $300 in Moldovan cash. When I handed it to her she wouldn't accept it so I finally wound up hiding it in her purse when she gave it to me to hold when she used the restroom at the airport. Yes - I had asked her to maary me the night before and she said yes.
The point of this posting is that I see many guys bashing each other for having different opinions. I always thought that the purpose of a forum was to share ideas and be informative. Was it easy to find a decent woman among some that weren't so decent - no. Is my future happiness guaranteed just because she's agreed to marry me - no, but I figure my odds are pretty decent at this point...
I don't care where you meet a woman. The name of the country isn't important. The bottom line is that either she's a moral person or she's not... Either she's got good intentions or not... But at the same time, maybe it's possible that the women that are labeled as "bad" are just tired of the games that we as men have the tendency to play??? I've seen some posts here from guys that have been all over the world with out any serious intention of finding a woman to have a legitimate relationship with. Trust me guys, a Russian vagina is the same as an American one, which is the same as a Asian one...
Peru and Ecquador are also very good countries with stable, sound principles. Have heard very good things about these countries as well.
For me, I prefer smaller city girls in the former FSU, maybe even Thailand or Phillipines. I feel the chance of a young lady being corrupt is more prevalent in a major modern city if she does not have very strong family values.
Why does a man believe he can make an immoral woman moral with marriage? I have never heard of it working before...
OhioAL - my hat's off to you my friend. I think you found your very soul-mate there. Now its up to you and how you can both heal each other for the rest of your lives. I have a good feeling you will have a very nice life togehter.
I couldn't agree more strongly with your approach, your method, what you undertook and your viewpoints. It was probably the best message I have read in this forum to date.
Nasfan - I know you have a similar experience on the positives sides of this same argument. I'd like you to focus more on the positive rather then allow everyone's personal preferences and vehement disagreements of locale for their perfect environments cloud the issue of what led up to your success with someone who did not speak fluent English?
What I'd like to know is most of you guys are like me and we don't speak fluent Russian. How did you communicate when you needed to get away from the translators? :0
"anothermug"
you mention Ukrainewifenow i am very familiar with that web site i was in contact with the chap that runs it. He says he is an ex cop from the u.s now retired and living with a 23 year lady in ukraine. He is sixty something.
He tried to get me to get me to subscribe to his services until i pointed out that there were 3 well established scammers on his site.Then he cotacted me again on 2 seperate occasions trying to persuade me to join.But i rejected his offers due to the fact that there were unconvining profiles and the scammers that are still listed on his site.
OhioAl..... JACKPOT !!!! Sounds like you hit it good with this one. I been flying around this world for 15 years now and the last time i met a girl who behaved like that, i married her. It was a wonderful 8 years. My only mistake was that i married a 19 year old who was 12 years younger then me. I think you have found the right combo, you both have much in common. I work in the casino, very few hit it big and its the same overseas. Im SURE there is more like the one you found in the FSU, most of us are not lucky enough to have found the needle in the haystack. Alot people out there go for the first girl who will say yes. I have already done this once, im looking more to someone who shares my intrests, and is closer to my age. Now i have found my buttercups in the philippines. Much like my ex, she is damn near perfect with one exception.... she is way too young. She is the closest i have found to a good match, so i will stick with her for a while. That doesnt mean im still not sniffing around... i know the fate that awaits me if i were to bring a girl here 15 years my junior. I still talk with girls all over the world.... im looking not only a good match of the heart, but one that makes sense in the head too..... Ya know what i mean??
Nas... i never though you would stoop so low... that i went to the ukraine as a sex tourist is a complete lie. Look man... i cant say i have been virtuous and pure while overseas, but to make such a wild claim just to prove a point... ?? You are the greatest detractor of the FSU, not because of what you say, but how you act...! You see Nas, i am one of those "soft targets" mentioned earlier in this thread. Your basic super nice average joe. I see how you act, an that isnt my way my friend. In the long run, i see the kind of guy it takes to catch an FSU woman... angry, harsh, judgemental,..... and finally, dishonest. That isnt me my friend. Izi made a good point, you are supposed to be the happy one !! U found your perfect girl, yet u are so angry. I am starting to think that you post on this site because you are trying to convince yourself you did the right thing, married the right girl.... and perhaps you are so angry because rome is burning, and we may be right about all this.
Viva:
you may an axe to grind with Nas...be that as it may,you claim Nas makes wild claims to prove a point.....sit back for a moment I quote you " In the long run, i see the kind of guy it takes to catch an FSU woman... angry, harsh, judgemental,..... and finally, dishonest."
Can you tell me where that honest to god BS came from???
What are you basing your statement on????
I wouldn't know you if I fell over you in the road,and with such narrow minded thinking I wouldn't want to either.Just as you don't know anything about me.So please use some brain cells before you let go with such crap.I find it laughable that those who fail in the FSU then proceed to preach about bad things are and how so many other places are so much better.
Take a reality check viva.......there are good and bad right across the world,just because your experience was a bad one does that really justify such a half assed statement??
That cetainly does not sound like a "basic super nice average joe" !!
As you may or may not know......I'm one of the married ones too,and as for what others think about that I couldn't care less.I found the lady I was looking for,we got married,have a beautiful son together and I am a very happy man..........not angry,not harsh,not judgemental.......and certainly not dishonest!
If the PI floats your boat then I'm happy for you,but from reading your very own words the only angry ,harsh and judgemental person here is you!!!
I honestly think peeps just got a little carried away with words. Happens at times. Look what happened to me first week I was here-- just because I wasn't more specific on a few important details.
I'm not perfect either and I've had my fun while making the best out of bad situations while traveling abroad.
I like all the countries you guys are cutting down, so please just cut it out okay? I like hot phillipino girls just as much as I like hot girls anywhere. So what's the point? Every city has its lowlifes, garbage bins and undesireable immoral people. Name me one city pr country on this planet that does not...
If you name me one, better be able to back it up or I will seriously flame you hardcore... ;0 lol!