Beemer, you have to look at your age and weigh up all the options..the pros and cons.
I am 43 years old and I think its very stupid and just asking for trouble if you try to pursue any girl ( does not matter what country she comes ) under 30 years old.
I don't understand why a 25 year old girl would want a 40 or 50 year old man.
I think the age generation gap is too much for it to work or last.
For me 30 plus and even 40 plus age group is what a man my age should look for.
Plus ex-married men like me who have had children ( I got 3 teenagers who do not live with me ) don't want to have any more kids and the Russian/Ukraine things under 30 years old generally "dream of a family and want kids".
When you get a woman in her late 30s or early 40s, the desire to have kids is generally much less or not at all.
I agree with all you ahve to be realistic about age differences and expectations of the girl as Russian/Ukraine girls are very family orientated and its bred into through cultural beliefs, that "they are born to have babies" but I don't want babies!
The silly aged men that go for girls in there 20s when they are 40 or 50 plus age group ( ps I used to be one of them but I woke up!) are setting themselves up for failure with a broken heart and wallet!
To be put a perspective on things the cost of getting a Russian/Ukrainian girl for Australian will cost around $25,000 from start to finish and that includes only one visit and you ahve to be lucky the first time to get your girl ( its lotto like chances ).
A failed visit that leads to nothing will set you back at least $10,000..its a lot of money to roll on a the dice of hope that your first personal meeting will lead to marriage because its really crap odds that you will succeed here.
I am thinking that Russian/Ukraine girls are not for Australian men due to huge expense, difficult immigration law and requirements ( I think we are tougher than the United States to get a fiance visa and girl in here..its a bitch of a system here ) and you must have at least $50,000 in the bank in savings and that will give you at least 3 throws of the dice ( 3 trips to Russia, Ukraine etc. ) along with a working wage of at least $75,000 or more per year which is 50% above the average working wage which you can only get in a professional field in management, law or medical doctor.
Its really expensive, a huge gamble and the odds are you will loose and I also think many Russian, Ukraine woman think Australia is too far away from there home land and they also think us Aussie men will let them hop on a plan at whim at up to $4000 AUD a return airfare so thay can go home any time because they are homesick.
For a fact if you succeed in getting a fiance visa for a Former Soviet Union girl to come to Australia and she comes to Australia and marries, she can't go home for 2 years until she satisfies the 2 year residency requirement and only then she becomes a permanent resident and gets a resident return visa ( which is like the green card ) so she can leave and return to the country on her foreign passport )..they won't let her sooner unless there is proof of death in her family in her home land and a close blood relative.
If she flies out for reasons of homesickness or just for a holiday back in her homeland before the 2 year residency period is up, it is unlikely she would be re-admitted to Australia and there would be grave difficulties so these girls just can't do what they like but a lot of them think they can and don't understand foreign immmigration rules!
Another fact to relative to Australians, if you get a fiance visa for one of these girls and she does not marry you and leaves, you can't get another fiance visa for another woman for at least 2 years and only 2 goes at it within a 5 year period, so you waste a lot of time and money and blow your chances because these girls are naive and have no idea and some think its all a joke!
Its very frustrating and it seems the Russian/Ukraine girls play too many games and stuff up the guys chances with immigration or think we are nothing more than "fat wallets" to get short term gifts and then we are trashed and our future chances wrecked!
Age is nothing but a number. And while your chances at success with age differences like you mention are greatly diminished - they still exist.
My first fiance (who is 27 now, and I am 49, in case our printed fiance.com programs are no longer available at the door) - had NEVER had a boyfriend who was less than 18 years senior to her. (And being 27, she had had a few boyfriends). Her three most serious (including me) were all 20 to 23 years older than she was. Maybe it was because her father had passed away when she was 8 and she liked fatherly figures - I'm not about to play armcharir-psychologist. Thats just the way it was.
The lady I am interested in now is also 27 and she has had her fill of lousy immature guys. I've had my fill of spoiled, set-in-their-ways women. So who's to say it can't work.
If you want to date statistics - you should probably look for a lady slightly younger than you are. But people are people. And a younger compatable woman is certainly harder to find than JUST a young woman, but I'm willing to exert the effort. It's for ME after all. And I'm already going half-way around the world to find my special one. Findin the more rare one who is compatable with an older man is a task I am willing to take on.
Aussie,
I understand where you are coming from. As a general rule you are correct with age groups. In US, I would never think of dating a girl in her 20's, their mind is everywhere but where my mind is, they are not looking for marriage as much as when they are in their 30's. I believe myself as an individual has personality and interests similar to a younger girl. My girlfriends in States were all in their 30's, girls in their 40's seemed to have 'one foot in grave'.:))) I think the girls in FSU countries are more mature than in States, as much as 10 years AND are looking for marriage and family( my assumption). Also, I am looking for a girl without kids, hence younger girl, I would rather decide when to have kids than automatically have them. I would not mind having another kid, if you do not want more kids that would be a reason to look for an older women. My outgoing personality is liked by girls I meet and age never comes up after getting to know each other. It is just a matter of whether you click or not.
'I don't understand why a 25 year old girl would want a 40 or 50 year old man.' You do not understand because you are NOT a girl. I understand chances are slimmer with a big age difference but some girls value more highly security and compatability, not just appearance, of course girls are all different. If a girl has a small age range, I feel she is not in it for marriage, I don't think there are many guys under 30 looking in FSU for a bride, I wouldn't, cause there is PLENTY of young beautiful girls here where I live. That $3000-$4000 can go a long way here!!!
Glad I am not in Aussieland, my trips to Ukraine/Russia are more in $3000 range from US west coast, for 2 week stay. More if you meet a girl and spend lots of time with her, closer to $4000.
Jet,
We are on same wave length, you beat me by what...5 seconds!! :))
""""Age is nothing but a number"""" Actually, it does tell you the length of time, as measured by a given term, you have been living on earth. That is all that is!!
You think so eh aussie? I'll be thinking about your words and smiling everytime I look at my 25 year old wife. I prove you dead wrong. To me, maybe thats a reality if your out of shape, look old or just have an old mindset. Ive never dated a woman my own age unless I go all the way back to when I was 25 yrs old.
Nobody ever said that this was a cheap thing to do
Its not.
And it IS like searching for a needle in a haystack to find the right one for yourself - especially when you only have a limited amount of time over there. Most of us have had 20+ years of adult life and haven't found the right one in day to day life.
IT IS like finding a needle in a haystack. A very shapely, tender, educated, lovaable and wonderfully fmale sort of needle it is though.
Hi Tom-cat !!!
your wife 25 ??? Mmmm - I thought she was a bit older. You are only 40 ??? Please dont tell me you are 50ish !!!! Going to blow me out if you do !!!!
Anyway - you shouldn't be here - get back to the hony-moon suite :-)
Tom
posted this the other day - when Mike told me you were married
Congratulations Tom !!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so happy 4U both. I can still see that photo of you both with that fish – they say – a photo tells a 1000 words – that photo told me you had many happy years coming your way - It was a cracker !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well it looks like my Krivoy Rog girl I corresponded with maybe a scammer.
I read about the Russian/Ukrainian traditions of girls wearing rings on there fingers and the fact the right 4th finger is reserved for a wedding ring. A zoom up and mag of her profile photo on the dating site, clearly shows a gold ring with small precious stones on her right 4th finger! It appears this thing is married and on a dating site = scammer!
It explains a lot..the girl was a bit of a mystery and evasive of questions I asked her.
IP trace does show her e-mail coming from Krivoy Rog but not heard from her in 2 months and not active on dating site either..I will forget about her.
Hey Maxirat! Thanks very much!
Yeah, thats one of our favorite photos, we'll always get a laugh out of that one =)
Kind of wish that website was still up so we could all share more photos, I guess Izi thought otherwise..
I'll be 40 in July, wow that came fast, lol
Anyway back to the honeymoon suite, talk to you soon I hope!
Oh ya, I just sent out our adjustment of status paperwork and dam, it was more complicated than the paperwork to get here here!!! We'll see if I get sent an rfe to send more info, I hear their pretty strict about this stuff. I'll keep you american chaps posted as it will eventually pertain to you all too!
From thread about rings a few days back reminded me of girl I was saw in Kiev recently. She had a ring on right hand 4th finger. I didn't know the Ukranian customs at the time. I asked about it and she said it was from her Mom and I didn't think about it again until I read the thread. Makes me wonder if I was her 'date' for several evenings, although it was just some dinners and other evenings were juice and talking. Hmmmm ?????
I've heard the "gift from Mom" story too, regarding something that looks an awful lot like a wedding ring.
I dated a US woman that actually WORE a wedding ring. She CLAIMED it belonged to mothe who had passed away and she wore it out of respect.
Lastly - while in Ukraine a few weeks ago, I happened to wear a gold ring (nonwedding ring type, I thought anyway) that drew suspicion from the lady I met. I explained that it was just a ring I wore when I dressed up sometimes. She had me take it off and she examined my finger to look for a telltale indentation or tan-line, that might suggest I actually wore the ring regularly. (I specifically wore it on a finger that one would not normally wear a wedding ring on). Seeing no mark, she said she believed me.
With all the lies in there profiles, before you even start, is it worth pursueing a former soviet union country woman on the internet.
A friend of a friend of mine here in Australia, asked about Russian etc. mail order brides and internet dating/marriage agencies the other day..I told him to forget it. I know he does not have the money to do this or meet the immigration departments income requirements of $35,000 per year to sponsor a foreign fiance here..also being an ex-bankrupt will rule him out too along with child support liability for his 14 year old daughter from previous marriage.
Getting the whole thing to work = near impossible, Getting a Russian etc. fiance here to Australia under our immigration rules = impossible
Actually the dole in Australia is only $422.20 a fortnight ( $11,000 a year ).
Minimum adult wage here is $520 gross before tax a week or about $14.50 an hour. Most factory workers or labourers get this amount and most people are paid the minimum legally mandated wage for there occupation here, called the "award wage" although with the new industrial relations policies mandated by our rancid John Howard Liberal government, workers wages and conditions such as over time payments and penalty are being taken away and replaced with private "Australian Workplace Agreements" which are private contracts between workers and employers, that take away the minimum "award rates of pay with penalties and overtime rates" away and you get less and if you don't sign these employer made agreements, you don't have a job at all and get fired.
A recent example was a Telstra ( our main telephone company ) technician and linesmans wages were a salary of $46,000 a year under the award wage but 12 new technicians that just completed 2 years of training were told to sign a AWA agreement which effectively reduced there pay to $34,000 a year or they would not have a job, while all the other techs who do the same job are on $46,000 a year..they lost $12,000 a year in wages and the case will go to the industrial relations court but this sort of thing is happenning all over now!
Things are really sick in Australia with work place pay and agreements because our Federal Liberal Government ( which hopefully will be outed at this years federal election because they are very unpopular ) has its hands in the pockets of the bosses and favours the bosses and does not care about working families and there pay and work conditions!
Australian work more hours and on less pay, than comparable other Western countries now..its sick because of the rancid policies of the government of the day!
Things are really sick with our immigration policies as well!
I am going to quit looking for a foreign wife. I have just found out I got type 2 diabetes that needs to be controlled and I also need an operation for a work place injury on my right hand, carpal tunnel syndrome and I can't work full time anymore so I gave up work and went on disability payments until I am fixed up, which is a long wait because of our overburdened and under funded hospital system ( thanks again to the Government ) and I could be waiting up to 12 months to have an operation and recovery is another 3 to 4 months on the hand before its back up to strength again..its had it at the moment and I am right handed.
So foreign wives and overseas travel are off the agenda for at least 12 to 18 months!
You can waste a lot of time if you don't know the customs and traditions and what to look for in a Ukraine or Russian or FSU woman.
Remember all these countries were once part of the old soviet union, things may be more westernised but cultural traditions have not really changed..for example where they were there wedding ring..on the right 4th finger!
If you see a profile with a picture of a girl who is stupid enough not to take off her ring on the 4th right finger..she is married and scamming on the dating site so you should not bother.
Apparently if the woman is divorced or widowed, she will wear her former wedding ring on the left hand on the 4th finger.
They wear there wedding ring on the opposite hand to the traditional western marriage and maybe there thinking is opposite too??
Iryna Ovsienko ( calls herself also Eren ) of Krivoy Rog..what a disappointment but never mind as I have quit indefinitely for the time being.
She wanted an expensive set of darts from me ( Harrows Magnum or Eric Bristow 18 grams ) but I did not send it to her and claims to play championship darts..I think I would want to use her skinny ass as a dart board and throw metal tipped darts at it.
Pffffffffffft
I've just spent nearly 16days in Odessa - some of this place is nearly 3rd world and yet some things about the place aren't!
Apartment i'm in is run by US people - very very nice apartment for US$80 a nite, down from $110 because it's a 2 bed and they didn't have a one bed for me. Very happy with it. What i'm not happy about is the loss of electricity without warning TWICE in 1week! Mind you, during days of +36C!!! The whole city seemed to go into meltdown - and it's like they 'expect it' The McDonalds just shut shop for the day - i went to the supermarket and all the 'frozen foods' were MELTING! I think they expect it around here - i noticed quite a few retail outlets with generators plugged into the front of their shops. The "hot water" is inconsistant - when we lost power to the apartments, we also lost water!!! No power to the pumps to send it to us! So, the 'shit' just sat in the toilet bowl all day till i could flush it! Lucky i left some water in the kettle i could use to wash my hands ....... Service in restaurants has been abysmal!! I'm a lone traveller, but hell, that's NO reason to treat my like i'm F*&CKING invisible! Bet iff i had of wanted to rob them they could have 'seen me'! The women are gorgeous, but walk around with carrotts up there u know what! As for some of their fashion, imagine a freight train loaded with K-tell bedazzlers had a head on collision with 1980s fashion, and that's what you've got...LOL
Other than that, put up with the longggggggggggggggggggg flight from Australia - I'm leaving here August 6th for Nice, and i CANT WAIT TO GET THE FLOCK OUTA HERE!!!!!!!!
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