You are right Aussie, it would be impossible for someone marry a woman from over seas if they are on minimum wage. I would expect most Aussis would earn twice that, which could be enough.
I am presently applying for my girl to come to NZ for 1 month, so we'll be finding out just what it does take to get a "visitors visa".
Visitors visa for Russia to NZ is free. $200 from any other country. I guess thats to try and stop the corruption.) The same airline ticket departing from russia instead of NZ is a lot cheaper as well.
All seems like a good plan.
Adam
Just in to get the forum Addy to pass onto another NZ chap.
Hate to say this - BUT - the reason its free for Russian Citz for NZ Visitors Visa - is so its easy for them to say NO - when you pay - they have to have GOOD reason for refusal - when its free - they need to say Buggar all.
What u mean about flight ticket Ex Moscow - to NZ been cheaper. When I priced a ticket that way a few years back - it was more exp than - visa - versa.
cheers & good luck
Peter
Hi Max
You are no doubt right about the reason for free visa. Never thought of that. Sounds just like NZ Immigration. They hate doing anything. They would rather refuse 500 visas, than be bothered getting off their bum and picking up one that might overstay.
It surprised me about the airline tickets. The emirates flight I took earlier this year is now $3100NZ but the same flight starting from Moscow is $2300NZ, thats paying at the same travel agency just up the road.
I want to ask you, What is the safest and fastest way to mail documents to Russia? I dont want the stuff getting lost or taking 2 months.
Ciao Bob
Life is full of risks and bureacratic red tape too. Try DHL or FEDEX, there big in Russia and Ukraine and you can get courier service for documents with signed on delivery and cofirmation of delivery.
And Eren, if have chosen to come here and read my posts, then welcome to you even though you might not agree with them and the certain paranoia me and others trumpet around here.
You can never be too careful but lifes a gamble when it comes to women and I just think in this day and age, most marriages don't last or fail to thrive ( people remain trapped together but remain generally unhappy and bound for financial, family, religous or cultural reasos..a couple of my friends are like that and complain about there marriages and if hings were different, there wives would get the flick!}..happy endings or happily ever after have never been guaranteed in life, especially in the institution of marriage.
On the subject of marriage, who invented it??..is this institution contrived by the Catholic Church?
Bob
Have you looked at the flight option I told you Lena uses. Korean Air. Stops Seoul (overnight free when going NZ - Moscow - 7 hour wait in Seoul coming down from Moscow) Alot of Russian (fisherman - students etc are usually on it to and from Auckland)
Lena paid $2309 incl tax's,departure bullshit etc - that was May 07
cheers
Peter
Thanks guys
I rang DHL and they said they would send the docs no problem for $150. So after I rebooted the pacemaker I walked up the road and posted it normal post for $3. I'll let you know if it ever gets there.
Pete if the visa comes through I will have a look at her flying through Seoul. I liked going with Emirates but there is a messy transfer in Dubai that could be difficult for my girl first up, especially without good english.
Air tickets do seem to be cheaper in autumn and we have the rugby in France coming up, so everything is heavily booked in that direction.
Aussie life is full of risks. Every day many people get run over crossing the street. So you just have to live life regardless. Otherwise we would lock ourselves in our room and wait for the sky to fall in.
I am cautious though, about marrying a woman from overseas. Mainly because NZ Immigration is so Draconian. If you want to sponsor a woman for the purpose of marrying her, the first question on the form is, "Have you done this before in the last 5 years?" Answer yes to this and they read no further. The visa application goes straight to the shredder.
So you only get one shot at it.
Damn you guys are complaining about $50 a night. Try staying in Waikiki Honolulu. I lived there for 6 months and damn if you can find a rat motel for that price. lol! Although in Cali Colombia I rented a luxury 4-room flat for $800/mo. If I go to Ukraine, I'd like to stay a month or more.
$1400*USD/month in Kiev would be great for a flat. But I doubt I'd find a decent one at that price.... from what I read, Kiev apartment rentals have skyrocketed in the last year or so.
I'd love to have someone find a $100/mo flat in Ukraine. I'd stay there for a month and let the girl have it when I'm gone and save a huge amount of money. :)
Aussie -- Ukraine women feel that men should be honored to meet "them" because they are so wonderful and beautiful. It's true unfortunately that they think this nowadays. They do expect a man with money to marry them -- or else why does anyone think they joined an agency in the first place? You think pretty girls really want to marry some rich old, ugly fat guy if he wasn't rich? :)
And divorce rates would be high in any country where there are so many gorgeous single young and naive women around. I sure as hell would not want to live there if I had met my perfect girl -- temptation and angels fearing to tread comes to mind... :)
Oh God, a type of woman that thinks they look too good and wondeful and expect to be honoured by men, if they choose to meet them,A UKRAINE WOMAN!
In Australia, we call that "stuck up" or "up themselves"
Nobody is better than everyone else. That type of attitude is not accepted by Australian men and being arrogant, rude or aloof is not on with us guys either,women with rude stuck up manners, Aussie man will tell her to go to hell!
Oh God, a type of woman that thinks they look too good and wondeful and expect to be honoured by men, if they choose to meet them,A UKRAINE WOMAN!
In Australia, we call that "stuck up" or "up themselves"
Nobody is better than everyone else. That type of attitude is not accepted by Australian men and being arrogant, rude or aloof is not on with us guys either,women with rude stuck up manners, Aussie man will tell her to go to hell!
PS: and thats being polite too, if she really piss us off, she will cop an ear full of not such nice words!
That seems to be the natural attitude towards a man visiting woman in Ukraine. i have heard some classic lines from ukraine woman when i visited lady there:
1. This is long way for you to come and find a woman, can you not find woman in your own country?
2.Does woman in your country (netherlands ) get house or money if marriage breaks up?
Reply to comment 1, "no, I can get a woman in my country but they are not as sexy and beautiful!"
Reply to comment 2 " No, you don't get the house and money if you marry me because you must sign a legal document called a "prenuptial agreement" before marriage which gives you what I decide you get if you divorce me in my country or if you don't agree with that, there is no marriage"
That will take care of Ukrainian womans greed and arrogance!
To ask question of that when a man goes and visits a Ukrainian woman is very arrogant!
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