Hello everyone, I am only new to this and I was wondering if anyone can help me with advice. I have met a young lady from Ukraine who appear to be ok. I was wondering how hard is it for them to come to visit someone in Australia. Perhaps you all could give advice as to the processes of getting a lady over here permanantly also. Thanks
Hello, you can not get a visitors visa for any Ukrainian woman, Russian women or FSU country woman as more than 99% of them will be refused by Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs ( DIMA ) and all visas for all former Soviet Union countries are applied for and processed at our Australian Embassy in Moscow and no where else.
The only way to get a Ukraine/FSU girl to Australia is by the Fiance Visa route ( the prospective spouse sub-class 301 visa ) which requires you and her to prove a relationship exists and YOU MUST GO HER COUNTRY AND VISIT HER FIRST BEFORE APPLYING ( she actually applies for it and you must sponsor here and there are lots of income restrictions and conditions before you can qualify as a spsonsor for this visa and this visa is a capped, restricted class visa and only about 5,000 visa of this type are issued each year ).
YOU MUST:
1. provide proof of the visit to her country including pictures of you and her together, statements and testimonials about your relationship with her from her family and your friends as well.
2. copies of all previous letters ( e-mails and correspondence ) you have sent and received from her as well as copies of telephone accounts to prove you have telephoned her and spoke to her before and after the visit.
3. copies of air tickets, passport visa entries and stamps in your passport to prove you have been to her country as well as receipts for accomodation you paid in her country, receipts for rental cars, receipts for activities you did together etc.
This list is by no means exhaustive.
The embassy in Moscow will assign an immigration case officer to her and the decision will be based on evidence of the relationship and intent to marry you and her provide as well as a personal interview she will have to attend to be screened as well as clear health and medical checks ( she will not be allowed to Australia if she has had TB,has AIDs or is HIV positive or any illness or medical condition which is deemed to be a significant burden on Australia's health care system ) and she must have a clear police record from her country ( no convictions for theft, fraud, drug use, violent behaviour or prostitution or she will be barred ).
The onus is on her and you to proof "a genuine relationship exists with intent to marry in the future in Australia after the fiance visa is issued"
There are no defined amounts of evidence you need but you need the maximum you can get to convince an immigration officer in Moscow to issue a fiance visa to her as they are very strict and inflexible and many visa applications do fail and some go to an appeal process which is very expensive and time consuming.
The fiance visa ( sub class 301 visa ) is the only way she can come here.
Beleive me because I have done this via the fiance visa and married and it is the only way!
Don't believe some of the clowns in here saying, she can come to Australia on a tourist visa because its absolute rubbish! Russian, Ukrainian and a FSU women are considered by Australian immigration to be "economic refugees..at very high risk of flight and violating a tourist visa, they are likely to come her and piss off and hide and not go home when there visa expires" so therefore they are never issued with a tourist visa as Aussie immigration does not want the "pain in the ass" business and expense of tracking women who do a runner down and deporting them!
There are no short cuts or circumventing the rules of Australian Immigration because you will fail and it will be an expensive failure and if you attempt immigration fraud to cheat the system and you are caught, you will be barred from ever sponsoring again for a fiance visa and she will be barred permanently from Australia so you don't muck around with immigration here..you play by there rules and only there rules!
Australia is a bitch country to get any foreign girl into..its the hardest in the world!
BEN I HAVE GOT old air ticket stub / photos of my girl hear in australia year 2005 now unless ive gone blind i dont like to be called a liar , to back it up il happily provide phone numbers of 2 russians hear at present girl aged 23 her brother two aged 27 they are staying in carlton in melbourne as i speak .
they came hear on thier own i met them in singapore on a flight change over they had in thier hands tickets to melbourne .
to the idiotic doubters send me your email il happily send you pics my girl / myself standing in kings park in perth august 2005 she stayed 60 days i had a bit of papers to fill in .
but i had huge help and backing from russia club in perth 276 sterling street perth would you like thier number anybody ?
going to be a lot of egg on faces should i happily produce the proof and iam happy to display used air ticket her name on it arrival / departure dates 60 days .
157 photos all up me /.her in australia also happy to scan and provide copy of her aussie tourist visa she was issued .
is that enough --il provide scan of paperwork to if needbe to anybody whom feels they need proof .
this forum has become a joke its like a bank --you first have to proove you dont need the bux to get the loan .
il shoot you down in flames aussieman with a giant folder of proof ---all you have to do then is find a rock to hide under -you are so full of shit you want to see people fail -------Australia is one of the most welcoming countries in the world for folks coming in .
but your painting it like GORKY PARK RESTRICTED ZONE now fuggin grow up ive a plane to catch stop talking shit
your a failure or you have failed so your casting the ohh nothing can be done scenario onto all and sundry .
ok to you guys wanting your lovely to visit Aussie speak with guy called Constantine Russian embassy sydney
hes a great guy done most for me ----------you bloody idiots in the world fuck sake why do you think countries issue tourist VISAS for fucking tourists to come hear fiance harder yes -but tourist is tourist --
also if you wish to view 300 / 400 russians recent arrivals ( last 3 years ) in city of perth ok head out to Russian church / club house 131 walter street Bayswater perth il supply phone if you wish .
and at least 25 more girls guys there arrivals this last 4 months sorry no they aint married .
\what do you have to do to put aussieman back into the assylum ! do you have to present your girl to his door before he belives .
hes a fugging idiot no idea what hes on about .
hes just reading off a page from somewhere ive never heard anything so rediculous .
mike 00
ps you mr aussieman are a fool ! fiance crap ben 33.000 russians hear in aussie and 3100 in perth alone --so according to aussie man they all are a figment of our imagination err by the way look it up in phone book a shop in fremantle perth opened 5 months ago its called little russia curios shop antiques .no less than 2 russian girls running it aged 26 and 29 - il take a piccy when i get back if you like these girls ARE SINGLE 1 has a boyfriend now i dont know the nitty gritty on how they got hear .
not my business to ask but they are HEAR running a shop ,
its in the yellow pages .
ohh aussieman now you will tell me it dont exist right .
Aussieman your a fruitcake -------mate see your local GP please you have developed dementia !
mike00
Hi boys to furthur what i was saying before re/ visas / immigration / marriage ok
( this is one way if you must get your girl to Australia for a HOLIDAY TOURISM DERRRR !
NOT HEAR TO MARRY HER )
but the easy way is if you are going to marry her ( live russia as in my case ) then you marry her there -you are then married to a russian she is your wife - sorry but nobody is going to say in a marriage situation ohh sir you can board the plane but your wife stays in russia
again iam talking holiday tourisat situation not getting her to this shit hole to live forever -------be like delivering her a permanent lifetime insult .
now to proover as i say i jusat got off the phone to KNIGHT MIGRATION IN PERTH the woman on the phone specialises in visa etc each day of her life and said to me
Sir you marry in russia if you wanted to and want to bring her to hear for a visit ! nobody is going to step in your way -------she will NOT BE DENIED !
THE ADDRESS PHONE THESE IMMIGRATION FOLKS IS THUS
THE WOMANM LAUGHED AT WHAT I TOLD HER AUSSIE MANS DIATRIBE aussie she told me to tell you --get off the drugs mate put the cones away , put the ''joints in the cupboard !
so to anybody whom wants to know all the inns and outs ring the person see for yourself .
your diatribe applies to only the ones whom want to bring them hear for marriage and them to live hear and the woman says you have it all at best about 35% correct and you are forecasting from the extream negative situations .
migration agents would be all mowing lawns for a dollar if they all listened to you .
get a life move to a forum ''days of our lives of something ay ''
your full of shit !
mike00
Your full of crap, Mike. No single man can sponsor a single Russian girl here to Australia on a touist visa for a visit, if they are not close blood related.
Yes, sometimes they can come for a visit BUT only if they have brother or sister or parents already living here in Australia who can sponsr them for a 3 month visit and give under taking of assurance of support to immigration and eachcase is looked at on its merits.
My first wife was foreign from Fiji Islands and we sponsored her mother living in Fiji for a tourist visa as well as her sister, for birth of our first baby and then for another period, both visits for 4 months but they only got the visa because my ex-wife was blood daughter/sister and they qualified for the tourist visa as we gave an assurance of support under taking and supporting letter to convince immigration that they would abide by the terms of the tourist visa and leave the country before it expired and if they didn't we would have financially liable for the costs of locating them if they did a runner and deporting them. As my ex-wife was already a legal permanent resident of Australia ( US equivelant of a green card ), this is how her mother and sister qualified for tourist visa, close blood relative of a resident or citizen of Australia.
You can't sponsor a Russian/Fsu girl to Australia if she is single and has nothing to tie her to Russia such as owning property there or having to leave her kid behind..if she is rich and has property and family such as kid to tie her to FSU, then in rare cases Australian embassy might issue a tourist visa but its rare cases.
Many single girls on the internet from Russia/Ukraine/FSU have nothing and are poor and live in the same apartment as there parents which they grew up in, sharing it and don't have the necessary riches to qualify for a stand alone tourist visa to Australia unless they close blood relative already living here legally who is willing to sponsor them for a visit and under take legal responsibility for them here and ensire that they leave the country when they are supposed too.
You could meet such Russian/FSU girls in a night club here in Australia and 99% will tell bull shit to you, that they come to Australia by themselves on tourist visa when in fact they were sponsor for a visit by a close blood relative living here such as brother or sister or parent but they are not going to tell you that,Mike because it does not make them look good..its all part of the act.
Mike, do you believe all the shit that comes out of a girls mouth that you do not know.
I know how the visa system in Australia works, Mike because I have used it and know all the rules.
I get tired of people on this site, spouting shit and leading newbies here,astray and up the garden path to nowhere when it comes to visas for Australia..you don't know what your talking about..have you done the fiance visa process for Australia, Mike and married under it?...NO.. so how the fook what you know!
I am trying to give newbies here for Australia, useful advice, so if they want a foreign bride, they it the right way and succeed without making very expensive mistakes because I want lonely guys to be happy and not screwed around with and told heaps of BS!
Your full of crap, Mike. No single man can sponsor a single Russian girl here to Australia on a touist visa for a visit, if they are not close blood related.
Yes, sometimes they can come for a visit BUT only if they have brother or sister or parents already living here in Australia who can sponsr them for a 3 month visit and give under taking of assurance of support to immigration and eachcase is looked at on its merits.
My first wife was foreign from Fiji Islands and we sponsored her mother living in Fiji for a tourist visa as well as her sister, for birth of our first baby and then for another period, both visits for 4 months but they only got the visa because my ex-wife was blood daughter/sister and they qualified for the tourist visa as we gave an assurance of support under taking and supporting letter to convince immigration that they would abide by the terms of the tourist visa and leave the country before it expired and if they didn't we would have financially liable for the costs of locating them if they did a runner and deporting them. As my ex-wife was already a legal permanent resident of Australia ( US equivelant of a green card ), this is how her mother and sister qualified for tourist visa, close blood relative of a resident or citizen of Australia.
You can't sponsor a Russian/Fsu girl to Australia if she is single and has nothing to tie her to Russia such as owning property there or having to leave her kid behind..if she is rich and has property and family such as kid to tie her to FSU, then in rare cases Australian embassy might issue a tourist visa but its rare cases.
Many single girls on the internet from Russia/Ukraine/FSU have nothing and are poor and live in the same apartment as there parents which they grew up in, sharing it and don't have the necessary riches to qualify for a stand alone tourist visa to Australia unless they close blood relative already living here legally who is willing to sponsor them for a visit and under take legal responsibility for them here and ensire that they leave the country when they are supposed too.
You could meet such Russian/FSU girls in a night club here in Australia and 99% will tell bull shit to you, that they come to Australia by themselves on tourist visa when in fact they were sponsor for a visit by a close blood relative living here such as brother or sister or parent but they are not going to tell you that,Mike because it does not make them look good..its all part of the act.
Mike, do you believe all the shit that comes out of a girls mouth that you do not know.
I know how the visa system in Australia works, Mike because I have used it and know all the rules.
I get tired of people on this site, spouting shit and leading newbies here,astray and up the garden path to nowhere when it comes to visas for Australia..you don't know what your talking about..have you done the fiance visa process for Australia, Mike and married under it?...NO.. so how the fook what you know!
I am trying to give newbies here for Australia, useful advice, so if they want a foreign bride, they it the right way and succeed without making very expensive mistakes because I want lonely guys to be happy and not screwed around with and told heaps of BS!
POST SCRIPT:
I have succeeded in a fiance visa in one personal visit and done all the paper work myself for Australia and had a 12 year marriage and 3 kids and I have another local girl friend for more than 2 years now, I am not getting another foreign wife as its not worth it, anymore.
Any Aussie bloke who visits this site and wants useful advice and how to bring a foreign girl to Australia and marry her, just ask me and I will tell you how to do it right and succeed and not tell useless bull shit..men in Australia have enough shit in there lives with work and everything without being told more crap!
Actually, I think I have said my piece here in this forum and as I am no longer active anymore looking for or seeking a foreign bride, I will leave you guys to your own devices as I could only talk about Australia experience of visas and foreign mail order brides.
Actually in the past few years, in scams, fake marriage agencies and letters,I might have spent a $1000 or so and not much compared to guys who have lost 10s of thousands on this.
Most men will never admit to being scammed, few will ever tell that they lost thousands of dollars on a forum and just move on quietly, those men that do tell about there bad experiences is only the tip of the ice berg in the scheme of things!
For my opinion, if I won a $1,000,000 in a lottery, I would not spend none of it looking for a foreign girl ( but I already had a foreign wife and divorced and was bitten..you never pat the same viscious dog twice and a lot more wary ).
With all the scams going on with FSU country girls and there attitudes and mentality..can you ever trust any of them???..for me and lot of men..short answer is, No!
To get one is o.k if you are desperate, but you do so at your own peril!
Good luck and be alert, to reduce your chances of getting hurt!
maybe gordo you cold throw away your passport and jump over the ditch, its a land of paper work which ever way we look at it.
i have found when we do things we always approach things differently then the other person, someone always gets things dune easier then the other.
marrying her over there sounds interesting, nice extended holiday, what problems would this create with your immigration?
One final word, the new Form 80, 6 page character check and questionaire for all visa applicants to come to Australia as part of our Governments crack down on terrorists and undesireables will create problems if she has travelled to any Muslim or Arabic countries within the past 10 years or has Muslim or Arabic relatives or back ground and they will want her patronymic name so they can investigate birth and marriage records in Russia etc.
If theres any involvement of Muslim or Arabic matters be it former travel to such countries or family back ground including former husbands it will trigger a detailed and lengthy investigation and if immigration are not happy with anything they find, no FSU or foreign girl will get any visa.
Our Moscow embassy looks for any excuse to deny FSU girls a visa to Australia.
Its getting harder now and failure and denial of a visa, more chance due to terrorist and national security paranoia.
Form 80 came into effect on July 16th 2007 under new visa security screening procedures.
One final word, the new Form 80, 6 page character check and questionaire for all visa applicants to come to Australia as part of our Governments crack down on terrorists and undesireables will create problems if she has travelled to any Muslim or Arabic countries within the past 10 years or has Muslim or Arabic relatives or back ground and they will want her patronymic name so they can investigate birth and marriage records in Russia etc.
If theres any involvement of Muslim or Arabic matters be it former travel to such countries or family back ground including former husbands it will trigger a detailed and lengthy investigation and if immigration are not happy with anything they find, no FSU or foreign girl will get any visa.
Our Moscow embassy looks for any excuse to deny FSU girls a visa to Australia.
Its getting harder now and failure and denial of a visa, more chance due to terrorist and national security paranoia.
Form 80 came into effect on July 16th 2007 under new visa security screening procedures.
All Aussie guys should visit the website of the Australian embassy in Russia http://www.australianembassy.ru for full facts and info on visits/immigration of all FSU country nationals to Australia..they ARE THE ONLY EMBASSY THAT PROCESSES ALL VISAS FOR ALL THE FSU COUNTRIES INCLUDING RUSSIA, UKRAINE, UZBEKISTAN ETC.AND THEY ARE NOT DONE AND NEVER BEEN PROCESSED IN AUSTRALIA IN MIGRATION AGENTS OR TRAVEL AGENTS OFFICES..ITS ALL DONE IN MOSCOW AT THE AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY AND DON'T LET CRAPPERS HERE TELL YOU OTHERWISE!
And for Mike, go and get a Thomas Crapper loo because you need it!