90 days ago i joined this site as a bonafide newbie. so i ante up some american cash( ok check) and started the process of learning the pros and cons of FSU internet realtionship(s).i am now a bullet shot at veteran with BATTLEFIELD experience......
i have to say its been a rewarding and learning experience to say the least. i have made contact with some real nice ladies that were refreshing, and exceptionally honest. not all were drop dead gorgeous 20-25 yr babes- some were angelic sincere 30-40 yr olds with huge hearts that make it worthwhile. and sadly i have been attempted to be scammed by those "i have no wages" e-mails that just breaks your heart after spending so much emotional energy in thinking this lady just might work out
i have decide to visit this fall and spend a month there. i have really enjoyed the posts by beemer18,globus and sir knight. and that one about fishing with a $10/hr translator- what a hoot! but with all letter(s) writing time involved- i dont have the time as a host of a pbs tv show, i will take a "breather" and start back up sometime before i leave over seas late fall to satisfy my inner curiosity
i have started to write a script to be put my journey into a documentary for broadcasting on air. as a single man never married in his forties-looking for a lady that has the style, charm, and fortitude to be a life-long partner, i have examine my own feelings why i decided to do this. i am very sucessfull with a great income, have a high degree of integrity, and want whats best for that special person-that i might find with a FSU lady. i came into this thinking most of the FSU ladies were just waiting to be whisked away- and to say the least- i was the one broomed off. it was a good reality check!!!
i appreciate any and all comments to this post as i will use them for the show. i hope someday you will see it on air when its produced .i am looking for a title to call it-"behind the old iron curtain"looking for love - give it a shot guys
Yeah, you and me both. I simply and quite 'naively' thought most of these FSU ladies were very sincere and honest too, just waiting for their one love who would make their life complete...
Nope... not at all like it is in the real world...
OTOH On the other hand, look at what these girls have to put up with. Guys who want to just have sex with an innocent girl and then leave them for the next conquest, men who lie to them, men who misrepresent themselves - and these are just what they get in letters.
Next step -- meeting them in person. Everything is in the meeting. The translators I spoke with all mentioned with extreme frustration on how bad these go almost all the time, because everyone has such high expectations... dreams... illusions shattered.. etc.
Recovery phase -- okay, maybe she / he doesn't look like photos, he isn't as rich / she isn't as warm and sweet as one expected from letters...
It's the toughest way to find a wife. Just this last week I was and still am considering to stop writing all together, simply due to the volume of demanding, insulting, arrogant, selfish, greedy, manipulative, deceptive and immoral women who are in these agencies. And these are just letters - it doesn't take much imagination to know what type of person this would be if you met them and then began a long-term relationship with them.
I have met quite a few of those you speak of, and it is very rare to find that one with style, charm and integrity. I think as time goes by, all these FSU stories will be gone in the years to come as Ukraine grows into a more solvent economy...
Ukraine will evolve fast as the Baltic nations (Latvia, Lithaunia and Estonia) already have. But Moldova and Belarus are still slightly behind.
After that there wil still be opportunity in the more remote areas of Russia itself. Those areas will develope at a much slower pace than the lage urban centers do.
Almost 4 years, tens of thousands of dollars, almost 11,000 letters, scores of scammers, untold hours of phone calls, ICQ, AIM, Skype, Rebtel, Jajah, 7 fruitless personal visits - and finally..!!!
Nirvana.
It takes time, effort, patience, money and a firm belief in Hope to find what you are looking for. Never give up and never surrender.
Send the girls you are writing to all your latest photos at your worst..eg a photo of what you look like when you first get out of bed in the morning and a photocopy of your pay packet statement.
The scammers will soon leave you and if you have a girl left after that, she just might be a "real girl"
On the subject of whats "real", I read in a lot of girls agency profiles on many sites, they look for a "real man". WTF is a real man???
What is there ( fsu girl ) definition of a "real man"??
Is real man, a man with a big pay packet?
I know what a "real girl" is, its genuine and wanting to marry a nice guy and not a scammer or liar.
I just want to know, what these girls think a "real man" is!
Some other misnomers I am trying to understand about what FSU girls put in there letters and profiles, one anomaly is "I like to do active rest" . What is "active rest"?
For me when you rest you are not active, like sitting in the lounge chair on a Saturday afternoon watching football on the T.V eating a bag of crisps and drinking a bottle of beer, thats active rest for me...rest is to relax and do nothing..how can one be active during rest??..anyone shed some light on this one?
And another one "I like to do shaping"..whats that, they carve there bodies into a womanly shape or what??..forgive me, I must be absolutely dumb here!
I was very, very lucky. I wrote to a few ladies only. Picked one out of the replies and concentrated on building a friendship. That was 10 months ago. Went to see her after 6 months and it's all working out fantastic. This is a gem of a lady. But I found her in Russia not Ukraine.
There was nothing backward about the Russia I seen or it's people but I was in a large vibrant city. I could have been anywhere in Europe, it seemed no different, apart from the lack of tourists.
I bought access to e-mail addresses. I don't know if I would start this all over again if things don't eventually work out, but if I did, I would never use an agency to write or translate through and I would keep well away from Ukraine.
What about Microsoft Outlook, my Krivoy Rog girl has always used it, server IP is always the same and geographically traced/routed to Krivoy Rog..she claims to write from an internet cafe. IP trace shows isp is pretcher net in Dneproptrovisk, nearby major city 130 km away routed to and from server in Krivoy Rog. The server IP she sends mail up to is static and is in a batch range of reserved ip addresses for class c private networks.
Who is search through IANA..Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, international authority that assigns all IP addresses does not identify private owner of the private network she uses. The IP address is 192.168.88.195 and identified as part of a free mail address run by pretcher.dp.ua Any of you guys more learned than me shed some more light on this ip address. It is sent to the pretcher server "zeus" which has an IP address of 91.196.80.2 before it is sent from there to me. Krivoy Rog appears to be a proxy address from where it is sent to the pretcher net mail server.
I got a very big thankyou when she got her magnum darts set present from me on last Friday, sent to check her out..she says she has got the best darts set in K.R now..not much for me to buy and send it to the poor girl out of genorosity of my heart..I hope its a good move but gut tells me in long run, I will have egg on my face and feel stupid..time will tell here for sure!
I am very sceptical and suspicious..a small gift that she likes might reveal something more.
I feel like Professor Snape in Harry Potter 3 when he taps on the magical map of Hogwarts Castle held by Harry Potter with its contents invisible, when he taps it with the wand and says "Reveal" and the map shows him bull shit and insults him..this is how I feel about K.R girl..I don't know enough and I am unsure of her, I have no doubt she is a real woman from Krivoy Rog but what is actually going on in her mind and in the background, I don't know..I am just a suspicious dude when it comes to girls, especially ones that don't reveal there mysteries to me! I call her "mysterious girl"..it could be a very bad sign and by communicating with her and sending her gifts, I am going against "red flag" warnings and "gut feelings" and committing "cardinal sins in internet dating" but with no solid evidence ( actually really nothing to prove she's bad ) of any wrong doing or intent by her, yet!
She could be the greatest find of my life and bring me happiness rest of my life ( sure we would all love to think that but lets come down from the clouds and look at the girl and not the body ) if I do go visit her down the track or she could be the greatest scammer in disguise and I could really get hurt here..the pitfalls of risks of meeting fsu girls on the net!
I expect comments from jetmba, adman, nasfan..wtf? when I am going to see this girl?..make up your mind man!..,trouble is I don't have a one track mind, more than one track in there and I have not decided or indecided as to which track I am going to put my future train on!
Some of the comments and most of the posters on this forum has me in stiches... they are so 100% completely NOT SERIOUS... no wonder they are so negative.
You know, you guys are always down on FSU women - but have you all looked at yourselves? Are you all perfect? Do you all really think that simply offering some kind of magic life in the West will take any sensible FSU woman away from everything she holds dear - friends, language, culture, country and kin?
I think not.
It takes much, much more than that. What do you, as a person, have to offer?
Everything I read on this forum is "look at me, it's all about me, the Sun revolves around me"
So immature, no trivial. So many dreamers and shades of "Shallow Hal".
I found what I was looking for - and it was worth every penny, it was worth every moment and it was worth the enormous effort, and it was worth the almost 4 year search.
I will not be posting on this forum anymore - too much negativity and counter-productiveness. Too many boys playing at being men.
Good luck to all the FSU haters and detractors. I wish you all the best.
Best Post I have ever read on here!!! You're determination should inspire others! Though you will always have the naysayers and the whiners. I can never put a dollar amount on a human being, never, because the one I found there are not enough riches in the world that would pull me away.
The reflection in the mirror is one thing, the reflection in the heart is so totally another!
Now it makes me wonder, how many guys have succeeded and never posted on here? I bet it's more than the losers that have posted on here.
Contrary to the characteristics of our resident idiot, who's name I will not mention (but its apal) who can have any beautiful model type girl in California - but prefers girls who speak no english and have no idea what he is talking about; who advocates spending hundreds of dollars on a hotel room to impres women (and then wonders why girls are only after his money); who brags about how well "endowed" he is (but depends on his 12-yr old nephew for most of his advice - perhaps his opinion in this category too?); who has been to Ukraine (Odessa) all of ONE time - who didn't really hit it off with any girls but got most of his adice from traslators -
Some of us are quite happy with the wonderful experiences we have had in Eastern Europe.
Eastern European women are the best - and I am nothing but pleased with the wonderful experiences I have had.
I love the FSU and the women I have gotten to know have been incredible. Its still single-man's paradise (so long as you are not an idiot like our resident one is.)
Its debatable.Ask the average of 10 men a day who complain to the US embassy in St.Petersburg about being scammed and loosing there money over FSU girls or fakes how they feel, jet.
I remember in about April 2006, CBS news in your country ran a story on Russian and FSU women dating and scams, I watched the story streamed over the internet from the CBS news site, one of your countries major television networks and what was said on the topic was not rosy at all..its your countryman, jet that are knocking this more than anyone else.
The fact is more US men go to the FSU in search of a bride than any other country..far more hence your government bought in IMBRA regulations and most men that are scammed and financially burnt are naturally US citizens.
All women have faults but all the scamming is coming out of Russia and the FSU while Africa has joined with countries like Nigeria in on money laudering and rip off scams!
Single mans paradise..I don't think so..things are a lot better in the FSU nowdays and people who live there are making more money and are very patriotic to there country and don't hate it and unlikely to want to leave all that they have known and loved..girls think western men are fun and there fat wallets great for quick gifts and luxuries.
Have any of you men seen a real life documentary movie made by Russians in America called "Flyover Russia" about FSU girls marrying US guys and coming to America which shows them regreting leaving Russia, missing home, very unhappy with there new American lives..it really shows the downside of this from the FSU womens point of view..its a great reality check where you see it from the womans side.
Many real FSU women come to a foreign country leaving all they have ever known and loved and are unhappy in there new lives, they don't consider the full picture and ramifications on there lives when moving to a foreign country and latter find out, when its too late, that there new life is not milk and honey, they have left there natural "mir" and there like a fish out of water and become malcontent quickly..no wonder the marriages often fail!
Things are not that bad anymore in the FSU..economies grow, develop and get better, remember it is less than 20 years since the downfall of communism, there was lot of adjusting to do and lot of economic pain in the FSU but now things are on the up and up.
In a few years FSU internet dating will die out completely..its already going down since IMBRA and far more scammer awareness and there simply running out of original ideas to get money.
I think if she owns her apartment, she is well set up in FSU and will not want to leave.
All you got left are the desperate older divorced women with kids who are shunned in that culture and can rarely re-marry a local man due to the stigma of being a single mother.
It takes one hell of a man to take on board someone elses kid from overseas..you hear a lot of nightmare stories about that one too!
IMBRA was NOT written to protect American men. Not by a LONG SHOT. It was written to supposedly protect foreign women who were (again supposedly) being imported and abused by American men. The rallying cry came from some case out on Oregon (I think) where an American man brought a Ukrainian woman over and they had a child together. He then terrorized her and abused her. She didn't leave for fear of losing her child. And eventually, I believe, she was killed by her abuser.
Foreign dating IS frought with dangers, I won't deny that for a moment. I know of domestic couples who have lived together for five years before deciding to marry. Yet to marry a FSU woman, most of us can only afford to visit her a few times, at maybe two weeks at a time. And then we bring her over and have all of 90 days to determine if we want to spend the rest of our lives wth this other person. The disavantages are obvious.
And if she doesn't speak English - we can always provide lessons - but until she is really conversant in her new language its hard to get to know her.
And then there are ALL the inherent problems of letter writing - which I have mentioned in other posts (but which I choose to avoid personally - by ONLY meeting women at Romance Socials).
Add to that the fact that SOME of us ARE losers when it comes meeting women in general (hate to be blunt but its true). They lack the interpersonal skills (I'm talking about SOME of us - not all of us by any means) to find women in our own country and some think that they will suddenly be successful for some reason in another country. (I've seen these guys.)
Some of us hve not yet fully realized the cultural nuances of our OWN countries, let alone those of people in foreign countries - those guys are apt to be completely confused and befuddled.
And finally - there IS a well established industry of scammers out there that like sharks, prey on unwary men. When your average wage is $150 per month - and you can get some sucker to easily spend twice that on you (or send it to you) for the price of a few letters. Well, who wouldn't be tempted? Its easier than working for a living when jobs are few and hard to come by.
No aussie - its not easy - and no doubt, Australias have extra hurdles to overcome. But if you are smart, socially aware and even a little lucky - you can STILL find a wonderful FSU woman.
For those who can handle it - it still IS a singleman's paradise.
Its hard to get a fiance visa ( prospective marriage sub-class 300 visa ) for Australia as applicants are screened thoroughly but it is valid for 9 months from the date its issued so you have 9 months in which to decide to marry her or not in Australia.
This was done to reduce the number of quick shot gun weddings and lots of failures among foreign women/men and Australian partners..you have much longer to get to know each other and if it does not work out you pack her off home or don't marry her and she gets kicked out.
Downside is they only allow 2 fiance visa applications in any 5 year period and 2 foreign fiances in your life, if you marry one and then divorce, you must wait 5 years before you can sponsor another one and that will be your last you can have in your life.
You can not take this lightly and you must get it right because you only have very limited goes at it in your life in Australia..you can't run blindly stupid into this and rush things because you can easily blow your chances for life with Aussie immigration!
Australians beware..these are the rules and they don't change them for anybody!
Also the fiance visa for Australia is a capped class visa, the number issued is restricted to a total of about 5000 a year for whole of the world..once quota is reached your application is pooled into the next year so you can wait a really long time to get approval!
i want to thank everyones honesty about this post- I have been taking notes and it is starting to be scripted for filming this fall- one thing i have seen over and over again (on all the posts) is how different perspectives about the old soviet breakup of the 90s vs the new idealistic republics mindset in regard to all FSU canidates. Ironicaly most of the impression i have from my personal correspondence with ladies -is why we wont let them enter the USA with more ease with the tourist visa. we will check on that issue also!
coming from a young journalist who visited Moscow in 1980 during the olympics- i wll never forget the KGB agent who tailed me all 2 weeks while reporting.......
it has changed gentlemen- as my grandfather said- change can start in the mind- true change only occurs in the heart
Goodguy............beemer18 is spelled, b e e m e r 1 8 !!!!!!!!!! :)))
Ha Ha!!! I would like to sum up my experience of being a year at this experience. You have to have the right mentality to succeed at this...most important. Everybody goes through same process here, it is how you handle it that determines the outcome, not always, but mostly. It is practically 100% that you can tell who in this forum will succeed and who won't, the attitude tells it all because the girls in FSU countries can tell who is serious and who isn't. To me age doesn't matter as much what each person has to offer. I am not talking $$$$, it is your personality, interests and understanding. I happen to be looking for girl in 20's and I am able to find enough compatability with these girls but that is ME, it is not for everyone. You will always lose if you look for such a young girl and not have the common interests needed to start a meaningful relationship. There are many pitfalls
in the process, these are just a few I wanted to share. I will be back in Ukraine soon to visit a couple girls and hopefully I will find my match this time.
Oh God, not again, Beemer...how many times will it take to get the right fsu women..these multiple visits must be costing you a bloody fortune, I thought you worked as a Postal Clerk with the United States Postal Service, they must be paying you a packet to afford this or does travel and accomodation in Ukraine for US guys cost a dime!
Young babes and old farts = disaster
At 43 years old 95% + of twenty something girls would consider me an old fart and dinosaur, it will never work..it won't be real love..it will be for the love of your money, she will get sick of you after 2 years and dump your ass for a younger and ritcher man!
Thats the reality with marriages where you are a generation apart in ages.
Maybe you need an older woman, that might work because then you can become her toy boy!
Goodguy when you do this little documentary, please base it on all the information that aussieman has to offer. The same information he got from CBS or Can't Believe Shit, broadcasting. God how naive aussieman to believe one iota that CBS would display. That's way too funny. Also you need to learn what IMBRA is all about. IMBRA is about control and intrusion into the american way of life.
Aussieman I find your posts utterly ridiculous. Not once in the FSU, but you know about their economies, their way of life it just goes on and on. All you know is what you hear and read. You haven't experienced on moment in the FSU, but you're an expert.
At least Beemer has stepped foot in Ukraine Aussieman a far cry more than you have, also it's his money to do with it as he sees fit. I love socialists telling everybody what to do and how to spend their money when they do nothing.