Ausie....to answer your question...as long as it takes or till I feel I need to do something diffferent.
Luckily I'm in Los Angeles so my airfare is ususally about $900, so for under 2 grand air & apt, my largest cost.
What I spent is different each time. So its not a bloody fortune.
I can't help it if you are 43 going on 63. Age can be just a number, inside we age differently. Some girls just look for things other than age, like personality, interests and chemistry. Fact is, one girl I am writing to asked
me if I am really 30 something, based on our letters and what I have spoken about myself and I am truthful about everything. To each his own. So stay anyway from the 20 somethings and look for a nice 40 year old dinosaur.
People do age differently. If you've ever been to a 25 year high school class reuinion that is obvious.
At 43 (the age most people ARE at 25 year reunions) - I remember - some people looked as if they had barely changed since high school. They looked as if they could step into their old football uniforms and play. Some of these guys (and girls) were still really young.
But there were some who looked as if they were ready for the old-folks home as well.
Looking aroud the room - it was hard to believe that all of these people were born within 12 MONTHS of each other.
Some ARE dinosaurs at 43. And some certainly arent.
Older women are gold,Beemer, especially if you don't want any more kids ( I have 3 from my last marriage, thats enough and I'm finished with babies!), they are more mature and experienced and will have a lot more in common with you.
The young k.r thing I wrote to had nothing really in common with me, she liked disco's and doing girly things with her friends, I found out..I don't like disco's or dance/night clubs and don't frequent them at all, I am too old at 43 for that shit and it was really never my scene. I am much more a wining and dining guy and going to a good movie afterwards, not noisy, smoky, crowded, disco shit!
She don't like men who sit in front of a computer too much and play computer games, thinks they are sick individuals..she thinks they should get off there ass and go and play football..I hate football aand like e-bay instead!..I told her that in lastest reply to her.
Leave the young girls for the young men to go to the disco and fook clubs..thats were you go if you want to pick up a cheap fook!
Theres too many illegal drugs in the disco and dance club scene nowdays, ectasy,ice,cocaine..I don't do dope and don't like people that take the shit..they are weak human beings.
You can't get an old tyrannosaur interested in a disco or playing football,huh I am way past running around on a football field kicking a ball, I am fooken 43, not 23, how healthy she thinks men of my age are, too kick a ball around instead I like shopping on e-bay and I shop there a lot for bargain computer parts and play old games like Quake 3!
Wheres the commonality here..there is not any..pissing in the wind here with her..waste of time..another sports and fitness freak woman and I ain't interested in it!
Enjoy your 2 years with her gemini, thats all your gonna get at max!
I thought I was bad looking at a 25 year old chick from Ukraine,with me at 43 but 20 year old bird and 47 year old man..its sick..you are more than old enough to be her father, in Australia such a relationship would not be accepted socially, people would talk behind your back unfavourably!
Aussie...I'll send all the dinosaurs your way.
You ARE 43 going on 63!!! Wining and dining then off to a movie!!!! What's next, waiting for the van to take you back to retirement home???? Get off your arse and do something exciting( other than computer)
Give me the disco's, hang gliding, water skiing and competitive sports!!! You are as old as you feel!!!!
You answered the question Aussie, no commonality between you and a young girl..... but don't tell me I have nothing in common with a young girl. According to you I have plenty....where is this K R girl now???????
Oh Nasfan, who said you wrote the bible on contacting FSU women anyway or the FSU.
It would be a fascinating place to visit for purposes of tourism, but not the girls and you don't go there for a bride.
The plan is to still go there in the future and visits parts of E.E and my cultural roots/ancestry but not for getting lying, scheming bitches!
FSU is not a girl shop..you can't buy a bride there!
Nasfan,my parents are from Eastern Europe and I know the culture there and I do speak an East European language!
They were dead against me becoming involved with Ukrainian and Russian girls and marrying such and said they were all scammers and devious and told me to keep away from them for my own good..
World is big place, Nasfan, lots of countries other than FSU to choose from, lots of variety, more compatable cultures..look at the bigger picture, just stick to FSU dating, if its great for you and do your multiple trips and enjoy your holidays and get plenty of good old Russian sex along the way!
Youre on to it GD, its essential to keep the girl happy. I do serious training the gym before meeting a girl. Wouldnt want her thinking she might be better off with boy.
We have been going together now for 3 years Aussie. Anyway based on the criteria of another thread given she is older than my eldest child Im right. Anyway my daughters enjoy her company as they can relate and play with their barbies together!
Some people have different needs. Dont make assumptions about what makes for a good relationship based on your perceptions.
I really dont care what other people think about my relationship. My ex has remarried and divorced again in the 3 years we have been divorced and I would expect to be together with my girl for at least the next 5 years probably a lot longer.
Do you have a mental defect, or are you just mentally challenged. I'm married to a Ukrainian you retard. I highly doubt if you're eastern european, or you would have been proud enough to speak of your heritage and language. At least the people from eastern europe I know would do that. You have now taken the mantle as the MartinUK of Australia.
I have to Agree with Globus I think this forum has melted down to the great scammer hunting forum. It all started with the Idiot MartinUK who turned it that way. Serious guys here before didn't worry about quote" They were dead against me becoming involved with Ukrainian and Russian girls and marrying such and said they were all scammers and devious and told me to keep away from them for my own good." So mommie and daddy choose your life for you? No wonder you're a failure. Grow up and be a man.
Good luck with your marriage, Nasfan. I got 12 years out of my foreign marriage. Lets see how long yours will last, Nasfan..when it all caves in, you can come back here and whinge and whine.
Martin UK did not make this forum a scammer hunting forum. Theres many different useful topics and advice here.
Your a hypocritical ass, Nasfan!
This forum is about providing men with useful advice, help prevent costly and painful mistakes and to provide advice for success for those who want to pursue your cherished women from the FSU, Nasfan!
Its a balanced mix of everything.
Mum and Dad, don't run my life..they offered an opinion, thats all, I make decision myself to pull the plug on FSU women dating and contact, based on my own experiences, I am independant and do what I like!
Go love your Ukrainian woman, Nasfan be happy and watch your back..you really don't know what a woman is thinking even if you have been years with them..they will tell you what you want to hear but how do you really know its true to there hearts are a great big lie!
I forget you were married to a Ukrainian..does she argue a lot with you?
This is a great forum, everyone is free to express an opinion and its up to individuals to make up there own minds what is good and applicable to them but lets not pull wool over peoples eyes here!
This forum HAS changed in recent months (Years?). It used to be about "Hey I'm going next week and I can't wait!" and "I went out with three of the most incredible women in Odessa that I have ever met!!!"
NOW its all about "Woe is me.... I'll NEVER find a girlfriend! SOB!" and "Its just too HARD to DO this!" and "All the girls are BAD!."
I mean - its one thing if a few guys relate their problems (can't be upbeat ALL the time). But if this were a bar - there would be more tears in your beers than anything that came from a bottle or a tap!
I've never seen so many guys who seem to want hand-holding and reassurance before. Maybe THATS why you are unsuccessful. FSU women like bold, confident men. And if their pretty faces draw you - only to have you fall apart when the going gets tough - the I guess that the result is a foregone conclusion.
All I can say is that I have had incredible success - and I am not particularly good looking or rich. I'm not even that lucky. But I am quite happy.
Now, jetmba, maybe we are having a bad run with men in this forum, who have been burnt by a FSU women or the experience of the FSU.
Maybe the scammers are more active!
People are still going to Ukraine etc...the moon has not crashed into the Earth yet, with this business, its alive and screaming!
I don't know why some of you guys persist with multiple trips to the FSU and multiple failures, you's should try another country such as Thailand, China, Philippines etc. for a lady, not cold war remnants and head cases!
Maybe the men are getting dumber!!!!!! Why anyone would try to buy love is beyond me, a screw must be loose or maybe
nothing between the ears!!!!
Aussie, multiple trips are for looking for right girl. If I had my choice, which I don't, I would rather find her on my first trip. What you don't understand is that going on a trip to FSU and not finding a girl is NOT a failure. It is a learning experience, pure fact. If you think of it as being a failure, then read some of the posts here about guys that went on trips and NOW say it is a waste of time. I have been dating girl at home for almost 6 years...is that a waste of time???? No it is trying to find the right girl. This is just an expensive way to find the right girl for you, a lovely beautiful PYT !!! It is NOT a for sure thing thou, if it was, there would not be enough airlines to fly people back and forth
For my first foreign wife of 12 years, I did it in one personal trip. I built up a good relationship first with her in letters ( it was snail mail and took 3 weeks between replies as it was in days before the internet ) but she knew how to read and write good English ( not perfect by any means but more than adequate to establish the relations ship) and then there were a lot of personal phone calls by me to her and we talked for hours ( my phone bills were big too, calling overseas was expensive in those days, its far cheaper now ) abd we could understand each other perfect.
It took 6 months to establish the relationship ( also I had to wait before I became due for annual leave from my work place and I also took 1 weeks unpaid leave to spend more time with her ) and it all worked and we engaged and the fiance visa went ahead and the rest is history.
Marriages can eventually break up for many reasons, mine lasted 12 years which is a long time.
It can be done in one personal visit, for most Australians due to huge travel distances and expenses, one trip is all that will be affordable to the FSU for those that really want to do it.
One month trip will be approximately $8,000 AUD in cost including airfares, accomodation, taxes, internal travel and spending money plus if you want to apply a fiance visa add a further $2500 AUD for the application, medicals and other paperwork costs.
You must investigate thoroughly the girl first, build the relationship over a longer period of time, at least 6 months ( with 6 months of letter and phone call evidence for Aussie immigration to proof the establishment of the realtionship ) and you have to go there a minimum of 1 month to spend it with the girl and proof it to.
Multiple trips,,,you guys must be doing something wrong..not enough research and investigation of the girl beforehand and rushing into this without a decent amount of time to build and establish a realtionship first ( decent amount of time = 6 months of letters and telephone calls first ).
Its paramount the girl speak, write and read enough English to not use translator or transalation software, Australian embassy only interviews applicants for fiance visa in English and she must understand, she must understand you on the telephone and you her in English.
If she can't speak English or understand it without a translator its a bloody stupid exercise and waste of time..don't bother!
Before I pulled the plug on my Miss Krivoy Rog girl, I finally got an answer in her last letter to me about her English ( after asking questions about her English many times with many times with no answer about it in the past as it had no time to answer questions in the past..bullshit!..nobody has no time, you make the time to do things! ), she uses a software translator and her neighbour who speaks better English helps her (or coohoots with her ) and she admitted finally she can't speak English on the telephone to understand..gee I wish she told me this long ago as I had asked her previously, then I would not have continued with her. If that don't want to answer your bloody questions, its a waste of time!
I suspected this all along but she would not answer my questions on the English language,I was like a stuck record over this with her and it did not answer to last letter after she got the darts set from me..WTF!
I don't know why some of you guys stand in defence of all these girls..if there not answering your questions and your being honest with them, then its these girls that are playing the bloody games with men and thats where they become labelled as scammers!
After this caper with Miss K.R, I knew then she was a waste of time, comfirmed it and I have pulled the plug on her, for my own good!
For god sake, some of you guys need to wake up! They don't actaully need to ask you for money upfront to be classified a scammer on the internet, they can just play mind games and not answer your questions ( until you start giving them things, not money, only then do they start answering your questions and wanting more, this girl asked for 5 used or copied DVDs, which I had a gut feeling, that would be the next thing )
This story is a lesson to all.
They can and they do the same thing at a personal meeting, creep up deviously on you with mind games and get you to spend, spend , spend on them over there, famous Ukrainian scam and then they dump your ass, when they feel they have got enough luxury gifts out of you, this is how the clever ones work.
Beware!
If all the guys in this forum, where bought together in a "live situation" in an open discussion forum, there would be so much heated argument going on over FSU girls and dating experiences, we would need about 4 moderators to control it because all the crap and shit that would be flying around!
ps: the crap would not be coming from my mouth, only real experiences with internet scammers, can't comment on personal trips yet as not been there but I have had more than my fair share of internet scammers on dating sites, some very reputable and some questionable over last few years so I can only comment on that and letter writing and scammers!
There are heaps of FSU scammers out there on the internet, they are everywhere!
Some are actually real girls, some are Boris's and some are just plain fiction invented by the agencies..its a real mixed bag of rotten apples out there on the internet!
A bag of a thousand rotten apples, with maybe 3 or 4 good apples ( real honest girls per bag ) so theres a lot of sorting to do to find them!
Gees Aussie all this wind bagging about FSU girls and scammers after writing to one FSU girl on the interent.
You are totally unbelievable, the reality is you are in no possition to go to Russia and so you look for the cheap option in Thailand. Personally I think the women in Russia are the top shelf, if I couldnt go to Russia Id remain happy with the women in my own country. The Thais do nothing for me. But yea theyre cheap and and finding a class FSU girl is expensive.
Each to their own.
Aussie - sorry to hear you got burned, so did I. I met other FSU women who were sincere and in these agencies actually.
Adman has a point though, there are really top shelf merchandise quality FSU Women out there. I know firsthand. Yes, there are very rotten apples in the bunch, but that bunch has some really good cores.
Saying this, every guy should beware of the pitfalls. Finding an FSU Wife is not an easy undertaking. Every single woman I have written says, either she is attracted to the man, or she isn't. It's as simple as that.
If she doesn't speak your language, it's going to add a layer of difficulty (but if can be overcome).
You got burned Aussie - I did too, but it cost me as well.
Don't let it continue to jade your opinion on a foreign bride. A Filipino or Thai girl will appreciate you living close to her country. If your a good guy and can smile around them - they will appreciate you. But please don't knock all these FSU women, it just isn't true outside your personal opinion...
Apal......Aussie didn't get burned. He spent a total of $75 for a dart set..Wow!!!
He's never been to any FSU country but has a wealth of knowledge that he heard about, whether it is real or not,
is another story. He has physical problems that he has to overcome along with a bitch of an ex.
Hopefully he will find a site which deals with Asian girls and go there but I have a feeling he will continue here
and give us his spin on what he has heard.