Zeeco.....war of 1812???? spanish war????? us /mexican war????
Since you are a historian...that goodness for the USA for you not having to speak german with an english accent.
While the british were fighting the germans.........the americans were fighting the germans, the italians and the japanese, in the atlantic and the pacific, so please, your thank you is graciously accepted.
What is it with the me versus you mentality....the world is so intermingled like you would not believe.
American society is not perfect, no one is, it has its problems but the good is much greater than the bad.
So ok Mr Superpower, what war did the UK ( Britain, Great Britan) win on its own??????????
I can tell you plenty of places 'you' were driven from.
What's your point? I'm not debating, I'm just curious why does it matter.
Depending on definition, I'm not sure anyone can claim they won a war w/o allies.
War of 1812: (I think we had some French assistance)
Spanish-Amarican--? Don't know.
The US was hardly a "superpower" then in either case.
BTW, the emergence of China and the EU are also in the Bible which you so indelicately called "crap". Some prophecy has already come to pass--Israel had not existed as a country for thousands of years until 1948.
I'm sure I'll not convince anyone of my beliefs here, but one way or another we will learn the ultimate truth, either via rature, end time events or death. Choose wisely.
Gemini Dream, give up Using Moveon.org's talking points it's really lame. If all you have for an argument is Bush is like Hitler that's absolutely ridiculous. Since you want to bring Hitler up take a stroll down memory lane. When Hitler broke the Treaty of Versailles by rearming the Rhineland? What did the victors do? Nothing, when he broke the treaty of Lorcano what did Europe and the League of nations do? When Hitler rolled into Austria, what did the rest of Europe do? Nothing! Even worse they sold out a sovereign nation of Czechoslovakia to appease Hitler. Only when Hitler rolled into Poland did the rest of Europe wake up and understand. All before this happened Churchill had warned of what was going on, did they listen to him. Nope! All these tragedys were argued before the impotent league of nations which is the forefather of the United Nations and we are supposed to bow down and give up our sovereignty to an impotent body that has harbored dictators and loaded with anti-semites? Americans have a consititution which does not recognize the ICC. Sorry pal.
As for this was a war for oil, another silly assumption. We have enough oil in our country and offshore to carry the States another 200 years. Simply put if we pulled away from Opec markets would crash in many countries including Europe. That is the main impetus of why will still stay. I pray to God everyday, someone with stones would become president and do it. Then hear the rest of the world bitch. As for CO2, another moveon talking point. When you look at the emissions from other sources and look at the pollution in other parts of the world, we are far and away more cleaner and legislated than any country on earth. So forget the Kyoto treaty.
Attach first policy, and attacking Iraq and no WMDs? Really Isreal just hit Syria, it's one thing to have a nuke weapon and it's also totally another to have the delivery vehicles. I wonder why this wasn't mentioned in the US papers that much? First we were attacked on 9/11 and anyone who believes that it was just a renegade group of Al Qaeda that did this has very little knowledge about the intelligence community. It takes an organized community to put a strike together like that, and only that kind of intelligence comes from a country with an organized intelligence community. Iraq gave Al Qaeda areas to practice taking over American aircraft. That is working with an intelligence commmunity. Iraq has struck at it's neighbors many times Under the Regime of Hussein. No WMD's why don't you go ask the Kurds if he had any.
Occupiers, so we are occupiers in Europe. We still have many bases in Germany. We have bases in Japan, does that make us occupiers? Occupiers control governments, like the Soviet Union did in the Eastern Block countries. The US controls no governments in any country we have bases.
The Russians are smarter than to hit radar sites in Europe. Their Oligarchy now believes in the old communist model and they use other methods to gain control. Why do you think Putin is Using oil as his trump card now?
Oil is not really a vital interest to us. We have our reserves and if we rid ourselves of the Ecoterrorists in the US. We would be more than self sufficient. Why don't you go bitch at China and the FSU who pollutes worse than the US would ever think of?
We've seen how the rest of the world gets on, on their own. It brought us in to two World Wars. The third one is right at your doorstep now and you won't acknowledge it's existence. Again we are not the perpetrators of this. It's the architects that have hijacked a religion and use it now for their totalitarian goals. A pseudonym for communism or what ever adjective you would like to use. A single government with control over all people. Though you are too busy listening to idiots like George Soros who is behind funding many of these groups because of his absolute hatred of the freedom Americans enjoy. Use your own language not some talking points of a sorry King maker.
Zeeco what scares you about religious prophecy? It's the world oldest historical document. It surely was written before the US and Great Britian was born. Take some time and read Leviticus. And tell me what you think of it compared to what is happening in todays time??
Gees Nas
An Isreali raid on Syria, Hijackers secretly training in Iraq. Its all very flimsy stuff, I think you must be the last trumpetier still following Bush. You seem to be scratching around in the sand starring at mirages. Its all delusional stuff.
Everyone else is waiting for the election to stop the embarrassment.
"The US controls no governments in any country we have bases.
The Russians are smarter than to hit radar sites in Europe. Their Oligarchy now believes in the old communist model and they use other methods to gain control. Why do you think Putin is Using oil as his trump card now? "
Really?
But New Zealand one of the most free market economies in the world can't get a free trade agreement with the US. Why...because NZ band all nuclear powered ships from its ports and as a result the US kicked NZ out of AUSNZ despite that fact NZ had fort along side the US in all recent wars and now gives them the cold shoulder. The decision to be nuclear free is one NZ people support. The US in this case acts no different to Russia using oil as a trump card to FSU countries.
And I'm not saying US is wrong, its just business, all countries look after their own interests. Thats why Iraq is so important to the US, not just because the US wants the oil, but they want to ensure its supply as this effects oil prices world wide whether or not the US has its own supply is irrelevant. Also a war can be a good way to win votes. But I still think there was reason for the war in Iraq, I don't disagree entirely with that, but I think the public was mislead to some degree.
Adman, I don't trumpet for Bush. I am a conservative that see's the handwriting on the wall. The only place that I scratch is my head why others don't see the picture. Remember the libs in England thought Churchill was full of shit also. If you go back and compare the 1930's to now you will see some alarming paralells.
Ben2006 NZ is a sovereign nation they can choose as they like. I personally like nuclear power. It's no way near as dangerous as it was 20 years ago. I remember The Enterprise having to moor out and ferry sailors in as we berthed pier side in Aucklan. That's the countrys right to choose who and what comes in.
beemer18,
The most recent 'war' or rather 'conflict' that us British actually won, was the Falklands War. Ok... so we sent our limited forces thousands of miles away(and an Ocean Liner..yes don't laugh) and we could well have lost this war..sorry..'conflict' but nonetheless, we won this fair and square and..unaided by any 'allies' Oh I suppose our dear neighbours, the French helped in a very dramatic way..the famous Exocet missile.
Adman - Ben - I feel sick !!
The reff was one SOB and I am sure some FSU corruption - bribes etc sneaking into all sport now. I am gutted - bad day :-((((
Wow..Brilliant..you came up with a 'conflict' that Britain 'won'. Next time I step on an ant
because it is near my food I'll tell everyone I won that 'conflict'.
I didn't catch any thank you's from you...why????? Your welcome, ahead of time.
In wars, the British had beaten the French, spanish,Dutch, Chinese and many terrortories that no longer exist(zulu's and Boars etc). The British were driven from very few places, most colonies became independent in 1948 because Britain was economically devastated by World War 2, and could no longer afford to police these countries.
Beemer, who and why do need thanking? I don't understand, please forgive my ignorance.
Maxirat. Yeah not again. every 4 years the same story. The ref cost us but our forwards didn't get on top of the frenches and we didn't play well, so we can only blame ourselves. It wasn't fun being in a bar full of French in Helsinki. And the English again fluke their way into the semis and probably final as France will probably have an off day knowing them.
Credit to Nasfan for knowing about the Nuclear powered ship issue in NZ. I doubt many Americans would. Nas, when you say "we" do you mean you personally??
Zeeco...look at first post of mine on this page. The americans are not perfect but they sure are great to have on your side in any conflicts. I was speaking about WW2...we joined the war midstream.
Ben, when I said we I meant the crew members of the USS Stein.
Gemini, you are just a socialist and look to blame everything on the evil USA. You have no original thought, just take marching orders from socialist engineers like George Soros. You are so laughable to compare Gitmo to Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka and Dachau. Yeah were gassing them by the hundreds daily. We are so evil that we are willing to give these idiots the same legal rights that US citizens enjoy.
The evil decay that grips the US today is the socialist engineers like you. I really think now that Wtrav02 has returned under the name of Gemini Dreams. Sick regimes? Yeah let's have another 8 years of Bubba and his wife and you will experience what sick is all about. Where theres in no controlling legal authority under the willing suspension of disbelief.
The problem with war, in which I despise personally and many who have served their countrys share the same opinion, is necessary to defend ones culture. One great general quoted "that war is absolute cruelty and there is no way to refine it." End of story. You Bush haters are so obsessed with your hatred that you compare the US to Nazi Germany, similarly like Dick Durbin did about our young soldiers. Or lard ass Murtha who said soldiers had murdered innocent women and children in Hadifa. They were compromised by a man who was willing to take bribes in abscam. Now it comes out in Courts Martial that they all have been acquited or charges dropped with the exception of Lt. Colonel Jeffery Chessani. These men were put under this by a Rogue Reporter who took the words of insurgents as gospel. I'm glad the Thomas Moore law center has stepped up to defend Chessani.This has the dirty smell of My Lai. Where they are going to find a scapegoat at all costs. I hope these guys come back and sue the pants off the Time Magazine and the reporter. One story and the lib media smeared these guys. Ooops, it didn't happen, now what?????
What I find still unique as in the Scooter Libby trial, how can anyone be guilty if everyone else is exonerated. We put our people under more scrutiny than the illegal combatants as you like to call them in Gitmo. Scooter Libby paid a larger price than Bill Clinton did, who is a convicted perjurer. Amazing how you socialist rationalize things.
Become original Gemini and quit requoting your marching orders. It shows a lack of mental preparation to debate and issue
Nasfan, it's going to be interesting to see how the court rules in the pending lawsuit against Murtha. If it's ruled that his comments made about the Haditha Marines made at a press conference were not official Congressional business and not subject to the protections thereof, his butt is in big trouble. The defamation suit against him can proceed, he can be forced to testify under oath and then the fun begins!
beemer, i don't have a me vs you mentality, it is just interesting to see things from another persons prespective, there are far more similarities between the Uk and USA than differences, and as a londoner I feel totally at home in New York as it is so similar.
I think nearly every American is under the impression that America saved Europe from speaking German, Actually many countries joined Britain at the beggining of the war like Australia, New Zealand, India and not half way through, it actually took a film called Mrs Minerva to sway the anti war sentiment in America.
The second world war was the best thing to ever happen to America, before it, the U.S. was not a major power, and militarily it was very poor, only an inexperienced navy would anchor all it's fleet in one harbour!!! and some campaigns were lenghthened due to inexperienced U.S. generals,for example Malta. Fighting alongside established armies, U.S. Soldiers learnt the art of combat, and of course the best thing for the U.s. was that at the end of the War, Britain was so economically devastated that it could no longer afford to police it's colonies they all became independant and Britain was to poor to rebuild it's infrastructure, Britain still had food rationing well into the 50's, it wasn't until the late 1980's that Britain fully recovered. After the war, the U.s gave Britain a loan(which was only paid off last year) the conditions of the loan ensured that the U.S. would be the new super power.
Just another angle, probably one not taught in U.S. high schools?