Guys...I met this guy in my Russian language class that has spent lots of time in Moscow. He told me about a site
mamba.ru that he has used to meet girls. He has a girlfriend in Moscow and right now has a girl from Moscow visiting.
I asked him how she got her visa to come in, he wasn't sure but thinks it took almost a year to get it. He told me about many people he knows from Moscow coming here on tourist visa's and their not rich. I will find out more...if anything, I wouldn't mind piggy-backing next time he goes back to Moscow. I met the girl visiting....a certain 10+.
Anyone care to add some insight???
The tourist visa can be a very frustrating exercise. My girls visa application is about to be rejected. They want more evidence of "relationship" for me to sponsor her. I thought I was sponsoring her as a friend, thats what it says on the sponsorship form, but they want more evidence than what I would need if I was marrying her.
One visit, signed affidavites, photos and a raft of evidence is apparently not enough.
tourist visa Adman
once there's a mention of relationship which it seems you have, mate i reckon you are in the shit.
i always thought keep tourist as tourist, relationship is something else and i think they would want more then one trip the mongrels.
yeah i have checked all there shit out, basically you sponsor you looking for wife is there attitude or they are family.
this is a area i haven't looked at yet, i guess you have.
fecken head ache.
have you looked at her coming in on her own merits as tourist.
do you know what they think is a reasonable amount of moneys for 4 weeks tourist stay here.
you still have the problem whats to return home to in there mind.
are there lines of people at our russian embassy like others over there Adam?
keeping things simple is my idea or baffle them with brilliance(bullshit) is the other
they make my skin crawl, immigration.
come across a south american other day, a cook he is so he was given the big stamp of citizenship because of it, we need bloody cooks would you believe it
Your right Kiwi, trying to sponsor her as a friend was a bad idea. I read the NZImmigration website that they refer you to and gave them everything they wanted. It was after the application they send an email back and refer to the "Moscow" version of the website. There it is far more driconian and the criteria is exactly as if I was getting married (they want to see multiple visits, every letter or email you have sent each other, supporting letters from everyone you can think of).
Having her come here on her own merits would have een the best option. They want bank statments, proof of high earn job, hotel accommodation and visa stamps from every other country.
Yet we welcome all the uneducated misfits from every other country. If she was from any other country, Laos, China, Thailand, it would have been fine. You only have to look out in the street to see that.
Unfortunately my girl now has the impression NZ does not like Russians.
Adman
do keep me informed on your progress.
really all this "Russian future" i have may comes down to our immigration meat heads.
it will only happen for me if these people let it and sadly they are the gods of whatever's.
i don't now how quick they are if we put them to the test but my thoughts were to walk the lady through this from her end on tourist while I'm there, with no outside support immigration knows about.
Moscow is slack for answering basic questions i have found.
never been answered by true blue Zealander which doesnt surprise me.
actually i dont class those people as New Zealanders anyway.
i wonder how things would go having Russian sponsor, this is also a thought of mine.
the horrible thing is if they reject her now Adman its a black mark on her for ever and you really will to need to go the distance with red tape bullshit to get her through, fact is it sounds like you already have.
from what i have seen its a drama going through it if you start the business here, but at least she's here and understands the dedication you are going through to keep her, but really its just getting her here isn't it so she can have a look at our world
Kiwinorth
The morons in immigration are beyond belief. They sit smugly in their vodka induced stupor and make the most ridiculous decisions.
They have asked for All our correspondence, but my girl does not want to send it if it is still likely to be rejected, because of only one visit. So we have written to immigration cancelling the visa application, hoping that it may prevent the "black mark".
The option now is to return to Russia for a second meeting or better still meet in Thailand, that would give her more overseas travel. Then reapply for NZ visa later. I had always thought we would need the Thailand trip to help push the visa through.
It would have been far better for her to come to NZ and get a picture of life here. It would give a good feel of how the relationship is really going. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
The idea of a Russian sponsor would be good, especially if they live in NZ. Good excuse for the visit. It takes 2-3 weeks to process the visa. If your lady tries for a visa on her own merits now and it fails, you have to weigh up whether it will affect a sponsored visa latter.
Adman, Thailand won't make any difference, they are only concerned about visits to western countries. I read that somewhere. Good luck, at least if they asked for more information its a good sign they are considering it and not rejecting it straight away. I agree they are morons, I knew I won't be able to go through the process from NZ so I moved and applied for a visit visa for my wife in london and it was approved in 2 days. And getting her to the UK was dead easy since I had a EU (non UK) passport also.
Anyone dealt with mamba.ua???
The friend I spoke of earlier, told me his friend married a russian girl this year. He also told me there is less scamming there and there are about 10% girls that speak english. His profile is entirely in english. I may put in a profile and see how it goes. Sure beats dealing with marriage sites and agencies.
Beemer, the basic part of your profile is automaticly generated in Russian, so its no problem. Its fine to add further information in English. I copy and pasted in the Russian translation as well. A good photo is the best asset, if they dont like your photo they wont read your profile.
Responses are just fine )) There are plenty of scmmers, but I dont think youll have any worries.
If you are going to have your 15-20 girls, you are going to have to type fast when they are all online at once. They dont like to be kept waiting )
Adman – I know it’s a pain in the ass – BUT – you will get there if you play by all their rules and guidelines.
The best and probably ONLY option you have is to go to Moscow and spend at least 3 weeks there. Go and visit the NZ Embassy and ask to have a “one on one” with Tatiana Pomerantseva. Sit down with her and your lady and explain all. Have all your prior communications – travel experiences together etc etc with you and a completed application.
If you do this they will know you are fully committed and want to try and make something permanent of the relationship.
If your lady could get (which I am sure she could) something in writing from an employer – stating she has been given 9 months leave of absence from her job – this would also hold good weight, it also shows she has a good job to return to.
The staff at the Moscow office aren’t to bad – they just follow the rules and guidelines set down to the rule. Don’t get angry with them and keep a cool head and just show you are 100% committed to giving this your best shot. Also be prepared to pay a $5000 bond which you wont get back until she obtains a residence Permit – probably 18 months later at least.
cheers
Peter & Lena NZ
Thanks Pete I will save that letter.
My hope was to bring my girl here for a month. She could meet my friends and family and see life in NZ in a normal situation. She would be able to see if she fitted into my life style. If I go to Russia of course all will be good, but to me she is a mystery and I do not think I would learn much more spending another few weeks in Russia. It seems ridiculous to me that immigration wont allow her to come here for a short stay. They expect me to spend a lot of expence and time in Russia and then for her to make a life changing decision without even seeing the country, family etc first.
Then who is surprised if it doesnt work out.
Guys, recently joined mamba.ru
After a week results are promising. No agencies, no marriage sites, no $$$$, REAL girls( thou there are some hookers). Biggest problem is knowing some russian to maneuver in the site. I use babylon for quick translations when I don't know phrase or words. I can go anywhere in world and speak with girls or leave message if not online.
I have had several realtime messaging with girls from Chisinau, Odessa and Moscow. I do try to find girls that speak english but if she is a beauty and speaks only russian, my russian gets good real fast!!!!
One interesting point, some girls I have spoken to living in USA, seem to have adapted very fast to new lifestyle. Pics of them walking with shopping bags( filled with expensive items) and driving in H2's and Mercedes
make me wonder where $$$$ came from. They did learn early in life how to get what they want....and have the goods to get them!!
Scuba....get a translator for your computer and take some time to copy and paste to figure it out. Setting up a profile is easy if you take time to understand main page. Usually only have to know a couple spots to click on...like your messages or search.
It is great to actually 'talk' to girls while looking at their profile.....gets hectic when seveal girls log on while you are on....they see you are logged on and 'expect' a message from you quickly.
Çíàêîìñòâà & Ìîè ñîîáùåíèÿ (3HaKOMCTBa & MON CoobweHNR, close as I can come)are most important buttons. Like I said, need to know some russian would help.
I get phone #'s, e-mail addresses, other sites they are on...just by asking. Girls seem very open to be friendly.