Miss K.R was a real strange one...did not answer important questions about her life and attitudes to relationship, nothing about her family but gave a sarcastic answer about the monopoly question, not the correct answer but "for me colour of Mayfair is the same as the backside of the moon" and it thought "monopoly was a computer game and that people who sit all day in front of computer playing games were sick people destroying there sight and health and they should move ass from the computer and go and play football"
Very amusing response.
Its been more than a month since that reply and I cut it off.
Her e-mail address she used appears dead now, I bounced anonymous centralops mail verification utility pings off it to check it but her telephone is not dead.
When they think someone is on to them, they kill there e-mail address and get another one.
Its a remote diagnostic tool used by computer techs to check and validate internet ip addresses, domains and e-mail address, I am a computer tech, I use this and other tools to pin point scammers and true origin of e-mails and identify owners of internet domains.
Every e-mail has ip header address, its origin and return address and this set of numbers identifies geographic location of the sender or at least the point where the e-mail was transmitted to the mail server.
Sometimes you can pin point to a street in a town or city where the e-mail was sent but not to actual houses, the FBI and other law enforcement have more advanced access and technology and can pin point to a house if necessary..I would love to be able to do that so I could report scammers to the cops!
As it is I always get the city of origin of an e-mail at least and the name of the server/isp where it come from.
The FSU scammers often lie in e-mail which city they live in but the e-mail ip header gives it away.
For those less learned guys you can pm me here with the full e-mail ip header of the girls you are writing to and I can check to see if there telling fibs about where they are, if its a lie on there location, its a scam!
Ah, okay. I've never heard it referred to as that. I'm a computer tech too. What you're talking about is following the path from the SMTP envelope headers on an email. As far as the FBI and other cloak and dagger outfits, if all they have access to is the envelope headers in your email, then they can only track it as far as you can. You can normally only track an email to an actual house or building if you have access to the ISP's infrastructure. And sure, the FBI or whatever might have access to that, but probably not if the ISP is in China. Otherwise you can really only track something to the last SMTP relay. Now that SMTP relay *could* be a bot running (unknown to them) on a hijacked PC, but the odds of that bot running on the scammer's PC is about 99.99% against. Also, most IP addresses going to residences are dynamically assigned. The IP address assigned to a residence this week might change next week.
The other thing to be aware of is that many legitimate and non-legitimate people use web-based email such as mail.ru. You're only going to be able to trace the envelope headers back to whatever server they happened to be connected to, which is usually pretty unhelpful. For instance, I could go out and open my own mail.ru account, and if I sent you an email from my desk here in California, you'd probably think I'm emailing you from Moscow or wherever their webservers are. This is how a lot of scammers operating in the U.S. work.
And nowadays there are a lot of reasons that your IP address isn't going to necessarily jive with where you're coming from. So I would recommend against putting a lot of faith into the validity of someone's IP address. Remember that some of these people are trying to protect themselves just as much as you're trying to protect yourself. If she's writing you through a proxy server so she doesn't get in trouble at work, you might just wonder why your Ukrainian beauty is sending you email from Finland.
Once again, the ultimate test is if they ask for money. It's the one and only sure thing. Someday I'm going to write a book: "Ulmo's 1-Step Guide to Avoiding Internet Dating Scammers." It's gonna be huge! :)
Sounds interesting. The e-mail test I run is very basic but it has caught scammers out when they say they live in Rostov but the e-mail originates from Ekaterinburg, more than a 1000- km away ( I had one of those, it really was a poor operator, letters too lovey dovey and stupid to make you suspicious )
I use other ip tracing software as well.
Some scammer gangs use sophisticated setups including satellitte internet connections to make it impossible to track them, I have read about that when the Russian cops have raided places in Lugansk,Mari El republic( Yoshkar Ola and surrounds ) etc. and found the computers and the satellite gear and the scammers red handed.
But really the organised scammer gangs are few, but they have lots of fake women.
What you find will mainly be agencies posting fake profiles and writing canned letters to make a buck after men paying for e-mail replies or memberships or single operators using free e-mail accounts such as mail.ru etc. to con men.
There is no massive organised mafia network running this and the organised gangs are mainly operating in places like Lugansk, Yoshkar Ola, Kazan, Chekobsary...it really is single operators or fraud agencies doing most of this.
You really need to read there letters..read between the lines to see if they make sense or add up and don't be blinded by a beautiful picture of a sexy woman!
We all make mistakes and learn...internet dating is a learning process!
PS: I read no more internet letters as I have quit...Miss Krivoy Rog ( God she had a beautiful slim well proportioned body with nice tits, legs and a great face...everything was perfect on her...you could have fooked her everynight and not got sick of her...my dream woman! ) was the last one...it was too good to be true all be it a real woman!
If she looked as good in real life as her photo's she was worth paying $1000 a night for.
Men go to search in the FSU because there's tons of goddesses and bomb shells there...far better than the local rags...this is what drives this business!
Miss K.R was a traffic stopper ( and probably had many boy friends too and banged like a dunny door in a gale)!
Women from Ukrain grew up in a very harsh circumstances. They learned at a very early age how to use their sexuality to get ahead. When they deal with Americans, they quickly realize that Ameican men are gullible and trusting.
Women from Ukrain want to immigrate or get money and stay there; bottom line, they are only after better life for themselves, and will do whatever it takes to get it. They are manipulative, decieving ruthless social climbers. If one wants to be taken for a ride, go for it, because that is what you'll get. I have seen way too many of those naive "husbands" - Ukrainian women call them "collateral damage of immigration".
Statistical distribution, hm, let's see, in our mid-size american city I know approximatelly 50 Ukranian-American marriages. Maybe only 2 stay married after she learned English, got a job or a sugar daddy; and more importantly a permanent status - a green card or a citizenship. Also, after the divorce, she, typically, gets half of his assets including premarital 401K, house, savings. She is set and ready to go for real deal - a guy with lots of $$$.
Why guys need to travel that far to get a golddigger and a ruthless climber?
I know why, because for some guys this is a only chance to impress - when she is in Ukrain, any American is rich man to her. Wait till she gets here ...she quickly realizes - you are just an average joe , bummer, you are not so rich afterall. She did not want you, joe. She wants better life and you are just a temporary inconvenience she puts up with to get there.
Hi Jane, harsh words, but I feel that it is just not Ukrainian women, I think it is possible that any woman from a second or third world country, looking for an opportunity from the first world countries can be classed in this way, and... good luck to them!!
Jane, are you saying that the idea of a Ukrainian woman simply searching for a life partner to provide her a stable family and future is a myth and fantasy? Are you saying that the Ukrainian woman who f***s, er, marries her way into the Western Hemisphere will "better deal" the sucker, I'm sorry, her husband, the first chance she gets? Are you saying that the Ukrainian woman who does not have that mentality does not exist?
If these things are true then they deserve the life that they have in Ukraine, however good or bad. I chuckle when I repeatedly read in these profiles that the woman hates the lying and insincere man when her presentation of herself as someone to build successful family with is in itself, based on your comments, a massive lie. This whole excersize is beginning to take on the flavor of the old Mexican immigrant joke - "As long as you pretend to pay me I'll pretend to work", only in Ukraine it goes, "as long as you employ your beauty, your sexuality and your intellect to pretend to consider me a valid life partner then I will pretend to plan a future for us while I use you for the sperm recepticle that you are".
Jane...are you an Ukrainian in America? You bring up a valid point. I can see the mentality of the Ukrainian girls to have a better life and through a marriage continuing that. I don't blame them BUT
to use marriage in such a way is selfish. It is just a piece of paper to them, hopefully the saying is true...what goes around, comes around and they will get it in the end. As far as divorces and getting reamed by girls in settlement, this happens in guys all the time. So everything you said about ukrainian girls can be said of american girls, just to generalize if I may. The problem with the mixed marriages is most is based on monetary value, guys if they open their eyes should see it that way and not get into a situation where they are buying their way in. You got to have something other than money to keep a girl...no matter what country you are talking about.
If I thought you were 100% right I would be in Ukraine, when and if time comes and I feel I am not in a situation I am happy with, I will go elsewhere.
Jane sounds like she's from little ol new zealand.
"just a little chip on the ol shoulder when it comes to foreign women"
some Ukraine bet her to the rich's
there's competition for taking men for merry rides now
I think it would be very wise for everybody to take heed of Janes words.
I don't know how many more warnings, some of you guys need before the penny drops, that Ukraine just aint worth the hassle(i know there will be odd exception) there are enough women in russia and Moldova.
Most Ukrainian woman are not geniune, I think that is very true. This year alone I have had nothing but bad experiences with these women. They are (mostly) terrible. I talked to some girls on Fiance.com for awhile, one I found out was on a scam site, another I'm not sure was ever really talking to me, I think it was someone at the agency, a bunch of others just faded into nothing without a word, one girl from Kiev who I talked to for awhile said she really wanted to meet with me and then vanished without a trace after I told her when I would come and visit her. I wrote her again to find out what was going on with her and she STILL wouldn't answer me. Then I tried to talk to some girls from Kiev from Army of Brides. Not a lot just a few. I thought, "I like going to Kiev and it would be easy to meet someone from there. You don't have to worry about paying for her travelling expenses and hotel or worrying that she might not show up leaving you stiffed for the money. Also if the girl from Kiev is bad you can get away from them and not get stuck with them right?" Some girls weren't interested, some we're that makes sense. Well one girl turned out to be probably not real but someone pretending to be her. Too bad because I was really into her. Thankfully they gave me back my bridiks after I complained but of course would not tell me what was going on. One girl wrote me twice and vanished without a trace, one girl wrote me 4 times and vanished too even though she said she wanted to meet me too(??!!) Now one girl I really thought liked me (and I her) and seemed really geniune so I told her that I wanted to meet with her and she agreed. So I bought my plane ticket (1000 bucks) and now she has completely vanished without a trace too. I was supposed to go there in 2 weeks but now I figure why bother? I could go there and be stuck by myself or I could try and set up dates with some local agency but this really doesn't appeal to me at all. If I wanted to go on blind dates I'm sure I could do that here. I want to meet someone I at least know a bit and have some feelings for. So I guess I'm not going. Oh ya the plane ticket is not refundable too. Thanks bitch. I don't know why I even try anymore.
Then there is the 2 lieing gold diggers I met from Zaporozhye a couple of years ago who screwed me over, all of the crappy ladies I've talked to that I never (thankfully) met. Then the infamous Tatyana Khaustova from Melitopol (who is on Fiance.com and many other sites) who I met 3 times, paid for her free trip each time, told me she loved me and wanted to marry me, but never wanted me to meet her family, never wanted me to go to her town, asked for money all of the time, wanted me to buy her everything when we saw each other, didn't want to leave her country to be with me, but wanted me to continue meeting her in her country paying for her free vacations and everything else. She ditched me like a bag of rocks when I didn't want to continue doing this and wanted things to progess in our relationship instead. Watch out for this one guys, she is very very hot and hard to resist. If she wants to meet with you I GUARENTEE she will want you to take her to another city instead of her own. She will make up a crap excuse for it too and you will have to pay for EVERYTHING including the interpretor she "insists" on bringing with her. Even though she knows some english (I should know I paid for it!) She has been doing this for nearly 6 years now and is on a couple of scams sites to boot (something I didn't find out about until recently BTW) Her and the other 2 girls alone make me question whether or not I'm insane to keep this up.
So yes I think it's safe to say in my experiences that these girls are mostly not geniune at all. :-)