// "Most Ukrainian woman are not geniune, I think that is very true." //
If every single woman you come across is bad, then I've got news for you: it's not the ladies. If all you are meeting are scammers and gold diggers then you are doing something wrong. Saying that most or all Ukranian women are not genuine is like saying all women from Dallas or Des Moines or Chicago are not genuine. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
// "Then the infamous Tatyana Khaustova from Melitopol (who is on Fiance.com and many other sites) who I met 3 times, paid for her free trip each time, told me she loved me and wanted to marry me, but never wanted me to meet her family, never wanted me to go to her town, asked for money all of the time, wanted me to buy her everything when we saw each other, didn't want to leave her country to be with me, but wanted me to continue meeting her in her country paying for her free vacations and everything else." //
Here's what always amuses me. The posts that start with "girls from xxxxx are all scammers!" will inevitably devolve into "I kept throwing money at her even though she refused to make a commitment to me!"
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
What percent? With some variances it is the same deal as anywhere else. Women from Ukraine, like their male counterparts in the west are not getting what they want at home and so they open up the search. It makes for an opportunity but the women are not going to leave family, friends, familiar culture for someone who cannot give as good as they get. This question arises because there are a large # of lonely hearts in the US who look at the pretty girls and think they have a chance. It is generally not the philosopher-kings of the western male population who are on this MOB quest and after the excitement of the trips and the champagne wears off and the girls get a sense for the average qualities of western gentleman that come to them and it is game over. It is not that the girls are insincere. I think that they are willing the give the fellows a chance and have some fun doing it but if he is found wanting, then he'll get dumped, same as in the US. Going to the Ukraine is not that much different than going downtown in your city. Bottom line is that you date dogs in the US you should not expect to get a princess in the Ukraine. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
The Ukraine women are opportunists...they see Western guys and a chance for a new life in another country where they think the streets are paved in Gold as easy street...the risks are far greater than local women dating ( and far more expensive ) that you will get used or scammed, either way for the personal gain of the Ukrainian woman, they are social climbers, the conditions in there country bring on cunning desires to extract what they want to further themselves out of Western guys who they see as stupid and easy to manipulate and over trusting!
What do you expect when you attempt to date a poor vixen...she will rip you off!
Ukrainian women with there calculated cunningness put a fox to shame!
Its just part of there culture, money talks and corrupts!
They are also quick learners of the western ways and there legal rights and how to play the system to get what they want, at all expense of the man!
Beware, they are not Angelic innocents, but most are calculated and sly!
Here we go again, aussieman is in bashing mode over Ukrainian women, I will get the gullible wolves here giving me a serve and saying how dead wrong I am and that I don't know anything...disasters with western guys and Ukrainian women is a very old story, so many examples of tragic, pitiful disaster abound!
Another intelligent post by the annoited Scammer slayer and Ukrainian expert. What's wrong with being an opportunist? Define that please, we are all opportunists in one way or another. Since you've never spent one minute with a woman from Ukraine your opinions lack any credibility.
When you refer to poor vixen goofball, you have to understand the majority of Ukrainian women are in the same economic boat so it's not really a big deal to them. They can't understand the economic difference.
Disasters, I doubt that you know one person that is even married to a Ukrainian woman. All you know computer geek is the world at your finger tips. You make travelling to Fiji to marry a woman as some world adventure and conquest. Ukrainian women will never understand the legal system like the women from the west. Also it's not the women but the lawyers that create the grief.
Although I would never be so crass as to judge a whole nation by one experience I agree with aussieman. My husband had a Ukrainian girl join his company as a trader. They spent a lot of time togeather on business trips and eventually ended up as lovers. I knew something wasn't right but my brother and my father were both ill and i was busy taking care of them. My younger brother died in horrible circumstances( Gas poisoning- myself and my young daughter found his body 3 weeks later).I was distraught. exactly 7 months later I buried my dear Dad and a WEEK after the funeral he told me about the affair.She had threatened to tell all and like the Hyeana she is knew it was a very bad time for me- she was circling for the kill! She had got his company into a risk debt situation (her families company were involved) which would leave his company vulnerable and he had a 3 year contract so he couldn't get rid. We had been best friends and lovers for 22 years so it was tough to let the Hyeana win, he stayed for 7 weeks and after the first week letters and credit card application started arriving with her name at my address.I put a firewall around my finances and told him to go. When respect has gone love will follow.I have always had enough respect for myself and self esteem to never sleep with a married man. Good values, which don't matter if you're only after the money. Many of my friends have told simular stories about Ukrainian girls. They have all left after they spent the money leaving the man poorer and wiser.No fool I guess like a male menopausal sap.Now he's stuck with her and he's slowly realising he doesn't even like her!!
You could place any women from any nation in the same description. Hell that's sop for many women in the states.
I like how many of my friends have told me similar stories. I've heard similar stories of Australian men, Women from Italy, girls from South America, the list goes on and on. Aussieman is an opportunist, but either he's to fat and ugly or to stupid to find a woman. What ever happened to the lady that still lives with mommmy and daddy. Hell he probably still lives with mommy and daddy, they told him the Ukrainian women are evil so it must be true.
Just ask Aussieman how many times he's been to Ukraine? Actually how many times he's travelled out of Australia?
travelled out of Australia = 3 times. Where I live = alone in my house with visits by my kids Opinion of Nasfan = ???hole! No, I don't think all Ukrainian women are evil, just the fakes I meet on the internet. No, I have not been to Ukraine yet, but its next door to Hungary where part of my ancestry is, a trip to Eastern Europe is possible in the future, I would like to take a look around. No, I am not stupid but wise to the ways of women and not naive!Yes, my father thinks marriage is bad idea to foreign girls but he is still pissed off with my Indian ex and his opinions on Ukraine and Russian mail order brides are based on scammer stories in the media and there reputation is really tainted in this country, be it fair or unfair...I don't listen to Mommy and Daddy, married my Indian ex without telling them about her. Yes, I am 35 pounds over weight but not fat and average looks for a forty something guy and short at 170cm and have above average size cock...so stick it, Nasfan!
I still see my lady friend regularly and we hang out!
I am not gonna post much anymore as its not relevant to me anymore...no point!
Everyone can listen to the wise Nasfan...who will lead you up the garden path to success BUT more likely...disaster!
Perhaps, just perhaps, it was the married man that slept with a Ukrainian girl, why should it be the girl that gets the blame, unless of course this is merely to 'slang off Ukrainians' time?
The majority of us are men on this forum so we know how easy it can be, a pretty young thing flutters her eyelashes at us and hey ho. We all have a choice, phoenix's husband had the same choice and he took it.
I would interpret the silence as confirmation that you have a stunner. Purely out of interest, can I see your beautiful girlfriend too? You have my e-mail. Thanks for the info on Kiev, wonderful city.
At the end of the day, we cannot stereotype anyone, it's so easy to do but also so wrong, Ukrainian Girls always get a bad press but are no different from any other girls, you will always get bad ones, just the same as you will always get bad Russian, or Italian or bad English Girls, we are all human and every individual will act differently. Being from the west, of course FSU women are attracted to me, and I truly believe that finding an FSU woman is very possible. From my visits in Ukraine and Russia, I know for a fact that FSU girls like western guys, just act cool and turn on the charm and you are in :-) But seriously, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc. are wonderful countries and very interesting :-) personally I have had very good experiences with Ukrainian Girls, there are some real crackers out there, Ukraine is a good place to go, but know your Girl well before hand, I don't know if I agree with these guiys that go to meet several girls at once, I like to know the Girl I am going to meet VERY well first,but I suppose we all have different ways of doing things. In my experience agencies just make things more difficult, get a girl that speaks English, either that or make sure that you speak Ukranian or Russian :-) a language barrier will be the last of your worries :-)