Burn notice. You make very accurate observations and also is true here at Ukraine.
Girls going see you as lover or provider. If they are young ones and from poor family or simply a clever one, there is a separation of these. Often, they are not same person.
There are girls here who meet a man and really not love him, but he give her everything for spend time with him. However, she also have someone she love and spend time with but he nothing can do for her life especially financially. When this provider calls, she goes to him. She may live in different city but if he say meet me at Kyiv, she goes at next moment.
You all must understand something. If you are 50 and she is 20, what do you think exists? 99% is not going to be love, especially if western or even Ukrainian. (yes, wealthy Ukrainian men do this also and usually they married but want this relationship for his ego).
I think you can be very surprised to know this happens often here, maybe the girl you meet at agency looking for love...or maybe looking for provider. And anyway many men do this knowing what will be the situation with her. when they will be together, she is 100% with him and when he is gone, she still daily communicate with he but will return to her life until he calls again.
Is this a scam? I not think so. It is arrangement that benefits both. scammers try and get what they want quickly and often try not have the relations with you. You are not lover or provider, but a mark.
"Eventually, I concluded that Russian women probably arenít for me. Though among the most beautiful in the world, they are too greedy for my taste, as well as stingy, taking, opportunistic, ungiving, stubborn, conscienceless, manipulative, deceptive, changeable, and hypocritical, all in extreme degrees. In addition, several strong conflicts exist between my mentality and theirs. Overall, as I and many others have learned, in the big picture the risks of being involved with women in Russia simply outweigh the benefits, and the bad experiences outweigh the good ones."
But the dating sites say the exact opposite? Maybe it might be somewhere in between? Maybe like trying to find a specific plankton in the ocean?
ayeayeaye!. I must ask if you are in some prison????
You cannot escape unless you choose some Ukrainian girl???
someone is forcing you to live such reality??If you not understand our ways then fuck you!
you want a Ukrainian girl??? need to learn the life! you need adapt to us, because we not adapt to you
Dasha Darling,,,,, What Dc posted was a quote from another forum or source,,, itís not his own words.
A man and a woman must meet each other half way,, no matter where they are from. Some men are fascinated with the Slavic world and wouldnít want the girl to change. Itís been my opinion, that whomever is doing the moving, must also do the most learning. I would guess at least 75% are the women moving west. They must be able to survive on their own if something was to happen.
I also think that most men are looking for a little harmony in their lives,,, and donít want someone that would be so combative?
"I must ask if you are in some prison????
You cannot escape unless you choose some Ukrainian girl???"
The item that I quoted was from someone who visited the Eastern European area several years ago. He first dated some American women, then visited several European countries, and now resides in the Philippines. That was his summation of his dating experiences in Europe. As with some television programs, the opinions expressed in the program do not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of the network station.
"you need adapt to us, because we not adapt to you"
If the relationship is one-sided, then most likely it will not last unless one party likes to be a slave.
On this website http://jump4loves.com/ how many I communicate, all confirm the residence.
Or even suggest the meeting.
Presently it is better not to trust, and to check, and then already to carry on a talk)
dc, I only react to the comment, not the person. Perhaps if a person will show a pattern of making silly comment, I can think differently about him.
LR, what I mean by my words is not about one to be a "slave" but if western man going take Slavic girl then he need to know the culture and understand about us. If I will go to USA, then I learn to understand that culture.
But I will not be comfortable to go with a man to live unless I know 100% he has already done this for me.
we need to know BEFORE go to his country that he understand and prove he can be good husband.
Another point is that while we may learn about and accept life in western country, most are going to want to keep our culture and traditions and way of doing something. That anyway why you prefer us to American!
I have visited the dating site before, but not sure about how trustworthy it is. Many profiles listed there are also found on other questionable dating sites.
Hard to prove that any man can be a good husband and any woman can be a good wife. I have witnessed spousal abuse from my other relatives. There are many people who seem very loving and attentive at the beginning, but when something makes them irritated or angry after the marriage, their character changes abruptly. BTW, I was not born in this country, so I should not be "lumped together" with all of the "Tom, Dick, and Harry" in this country. Also, I grew up in the "inner city" region, so if you want to see who can curse or use profanity, then "let's get it on".
Dasha Darling,,, I never said that I prefer Ukrainian women over American! The reason for my first trip, was similar to the reason why people climb a mountain,,, Because it is there! Eastern Europe was supposed to have so many women that were looking for a husband,,, it didnít take long to know that wasnít true!
Iíve seen good and bad in women from all over,, maybe Ukrainian women have an edge on looks and how they take care of themselves, but Iíd take a sweet country girl any day!
What kinds of things do you want your guy to learn about Ukrainian culture?? Iíd prefer to learn it from the girl herself,, because Ukrainian culture changes in different parts of the country.
Also,,, Iím not too inclined to go too far out of my way,,,, I wrote for months with the girls I went to meet,,,, two couldnít be troubled to know my name!
I read with interest about some of you have had the Opportunity of being in the company of Russian Ladies, I ask as I dont wish to tare every Russian Lady with the same brush but I would understand of course there are good and bad in all ladies and some just chat to get to know you and when everything is or seems to be going smooth then they ask you for money so they can fly on a plane and come over and see you etc , then nothing happens you are then sucked into giving them money as it is a business so the more money they can get they can live a nice lifestyle.
NOW I AM not saying this of all Russian Ladies but how do you tell them apart.
I am in conversation with a very attractive 40 year old Russian Lady, she know that I am much older than her but she tells me she does not mind, I have read up on Russian Ladies and to me its not just about sex and I have never ever talked of it and I would not, but she has brought up that when she is tired from a working day she likes to come home and relax in a nice warm bath, and she has told me that she wants to invite me to share a relaxed bath with her but she telle me that no hurry we can get to know each other first she has sent me photos of her parents, and her work chums now how if she is genuine, and wants to come to the uk as she is lonely and no one in her country wants to settle donw with her because she cannot have babies, if it develops and she is genuine what is the first step any help would be great thanks
Hi Dasha Dasha,
Thank you for your kind advice, I was thinking of more this Russian Lady come to visit me in the UK, and she will need to pay her flight and after her visit, I would be happy to pay her flight home, that way if she is genuine and she comes and visits then that a start in the right direction and then I am happy to pay her flight home, yes, you are right, I know photos and emails everyday and that she has mentioned me to her friends and her mum does not mean that she is genuine and also that she has with every email sent me photos of her, and her friends and her mum and dad and also of a ceremany if the photos were single photos of people they could be anyone, but she has sent me photos of her friends with her in the photo and so the photos at the time are genuine but they still could be anyone.
I do not wish to confront her as she maybe genuine, if she will come over to the uk and pay her flights then I would of thought that she is genuine and more help would be good as I am new to being in a relationship with ladies from other countries and if its genuine then why not, one more thing my friend there are sites I understand that can check if these people are scammers have you heard of them and would it be a worth while things to do I know they charge around $120
Thank you in advance
Just if I may jump in here as I am trying to get as many helpful answers to help me, I have been approached by this Russian it was on a web dating site now she has given me her email so we email each other everyday, she send me photos of her and her friends and her friends family, she has told her mother about me and also to her friends who she has sent me photos of her and her friends who are on the same photo as her.
She is 40 and has no husband and is lonely and now in her latest email to me she is asking me if i will give her my telephone number as she would like to talk to me.
Now I dont wish to sound gullible and know that I have to be careful but I would hope that this is not a scam and I would like for it to be real but because we are in a world that is not as it seems and there are scams out there I just want to tred carefully any help would be great thanks guys
Spit ... I have put the answers to your questions in your "HELLO" Topic! Read my entries and then draw your own conclusions. Speak to her on Skype, and see if she switches on her webcam, as this is the best approach to see if she is genuine.
Thank you for your imput , and I have read this but this as you say draw my won conclusion I am not asking you or anyone to make a decision for me as that is our own to make all I am trying to do is sift through what the lady has sent me and said etc I do not wish to ask her if she is a scammer because there can be good in all of us.
I have had photos from her, yes they could be someone else photos but as these were live events and everytime she has sent me an email with about three photos one was a video and she is in them all if she was not in any of the photos then that would give me cause for concern, she has asked me for my phone number and she wants to talk on the phone I have asked about skype but she tells me she does not have a computer as the signal is not good yes I can say that this might be a warning to me, but I would hate to think that I have not given it my best shot to find out she is worth that much as she might be a genuine person.
Hello Spit. Where does she live? (PM if necessary) There is only poor Russian telecommunications in places such as the Siberian wilderness. How is she sending you e-mails? Is it a mobile device (they generally do have Skype)? Is she going to phone you from work? It is much safer for you to call her ... Google "cheap phone calls to Russia from UK". It is dangerous giving out your own phone number if she is a scammer. The best solution would be to get a new SIM Card for your mobile, and only use that number for her phone calls at pre-arranged times. This is the best solution to test if she is genuine. Hope this helps. Eric
Look, there are plenty of scammers right where you live. How have you managed to avoid them to this point? Ok, just do the same. As for Afghanistan difference, fsu women don't care about 10 years. A lot of fsu women don't care about 20 years. My wife is 19 years, 6 months younger than I am. I we in my early 50s, out of shape, and drank a lot when we first met. Listening to the above advice she had to be a scammer. We Are very happily married and she's got her permanent green card. She's graduating as an RN next year. Maybe she will leave me then? I'll bet she doesn't. If you ask her why she picked "the old guy" she will tell you. I was confident, never lied to her* (a future prediction that doesn't come true is not a lie. A lie is claiming something that has passed that is not true), and I was always a gentleman. Now she never asked me for a dime.
She made several errors that made her appear to be a scammed in the short term, but it was poor english that caused the poor communication