Well Guys, thank for your notes and impressions I had already that fear and now I think my feelings were right. I think Ukraine is nice but I can go anywhere, and enjoy. I also agree with you about that the dating marrieage is a long process and this short trip will not get me were I want. I think is funny the comment about money, just got a letter of one telling me she needs a notebook, and wonder if I can give her a hand.
Well I think I will cancel my UK portion and stay in Italy for 10 days. I do not consider my self rich and I wish to get a woman not for my money, but it sounds that me going to Ukraine is like buying a wife. I am not lookinf for a young inmature kidd. I love to travel and need a mature young lady, not many in the agency from 28-35. Well Guys you are great, what a great help you are.
Om,Hola , you will really enjoy London, it is a fabulous city, however you have booked to go to the Ukraine, although it does appear, due to the relaxation in visa requirements, that the ukraine is full of westerners, looking for Mrs right, maybe you could look to find your way to some big city in Eastern Russia, where far fewer men travel to, like Novosibersk or Krasnoyarsk, both cities have over a million people, so they will have plenty of things to do and women to choose from
Woa, Zeeco that is a great turn, I booked to Rome because is a lovely place and the weather just right.
I was in London just three weeks ago I took my kids for a four weeks vacations and travel Turkey,Greece, Portugal and Longon.
The cities you mention maybe a bit too cold for this tropical fish. I should consider for next year. I think for now sounds like I am not the right candidate for this I am ignonrant and alreay goof sending money for a passport and I do not want more mistakes. May be I just burn a week in Italy or turn to Brazil and Argentina, nice and warm
Cartegena Colombia has beaches, friendly latina marriage agency girls. I have heard they are a little more wild than someone you might want as a wife - same goes for Brazil (from what I was told in hearsay).
OM - Best of luck. I did not like coming to the realization that most these girls really don't expect to work and really did not want to leave Ukraine - unless a guy was really attractive to the girl and he had means above and beyond the normal lifestyle of an everyday guy. Ethics of what goes on with these marriage agency is worldwide. It's just the nature of desire.. you desire a wife... they desire money... ... and tolerate the guy giving it to them or standing in their way...
Should be a new anthem... "Bubbles bursting mid-air"
But there are a lot of modest girls who are the plain girls that fit the entire bill. Yet, the marriage agency do all agree that the prettiest (mainly greediest) 5 agency girls get all the attention and all the letters.
Is a human/man mistake, go for the cutiest and the one that is fully loaded, and you are right she gets many offers and takes advantage of everyone easy going man. I actually not looking for a model but for a cozzy girl. I already protect my self and family. I have a trust set and unless she lives with me 7 years she gets nothing, and if she does not stay five good years she goes back with no green card.
Anyway, it seems to be that go south to Brazil, good weather is better than UK I will go from Brazil to Montevideo and check it out, I have a friend I meet his cousing about a year ago. Too young to me, she keeps writing to me, she is 24 or maybe I should fly her to Rome and meet her in an even situation, no home field advantage.
Well one more thing I was told the are some chat agencies less expensive than hotrussiansbrides Any one has tryed?
I am not flying for sex, but woa, the Russian and the UK are so beautiful. I will not be sad if I get to meet a nice lady, who can become a good friend the a lover and travel one day have her beautiful smile next to me every morning.
OM - You got it right. Stay clear of Hotrussianbrides.com it is a minimum of $1500 and three months of service to even meet a girl through their service. Then your are obligated to pay for her contact info, and pay for the meeting with agency translator. They prefer bikini clad agency girls who do not speak any English for obvious reasons. Atleast one girl in Russia was honest to admit she wanted a Bently and Rolls Royce as her next car. ;p
On the other point, I know your a sincere guy. It's obvious your not like most of these other Mail Order Briders (MOB) who want to cling to their viewpoints, and hopes that keep them continuing to go back and do the same thing the exact same way year after year.
I wished every sincere guy on this forum would have had great luck, but I don't think a single one of them can say it was easy. It's easier to realistically say it's probably the hardest way to ever meet a virtual wife for real.
Every girl you meet on the internet should be deemed "Virtual Girl" until you meet them in person. I wish girl's just had an anime version of themselves. 1-way webcams really are just 1-way, and its up to the girl on how she wants to deal with you when you finally do meet in person. 9 times out of 10, its not going to be good...
You need to realize that sometimes the people that know the least talk the most. And sour experiences sometimes make people think a goal is unattainable.
If you need information on Ukraine and have specific questions they can be answered.
If you ask a question like you did there are no wrong answers. Everything depends on you, what you expect, your ability to enjoy a different culture, the guide service and help you have there. I sent you contact info where you can get answers but you will have to ask the questions.
Well if you have a site to get information I will appreciate. I have travel all over, but a tourist trip is not what I plan for UK now, although I am sure there is pleanty for one to see in UK for 10 days.
I will making all the final arranges for a trip anywhere this week. I appreciate everyone comments and advises.
I sent you a private message. after you log in or put up a post up at the top to the right of the girl with question mark ear rings There will be several links. One of them is private message. Click on it and you can find the message I sent you.
Jesus, you guys are so sad. Why don't you find a girl the normal way?
It really makes me sick that you just buy your love.
Get yourself somebody that is genuinely interested in you. See might be a bit less attractive, but then again, prob you are not very attractive either otherwise you won't waist time at russianbride.com