I thought to send Iryna a t-shirt I found on Ebay ( old penpal gift, nothing more, it was never going to be anything more and I knew it long ago )..it says on it "Danger, High Voltage Bitch"
I found another one on ebay that might be applicable to some people around here, it says on it "My parents encouraged me to be anything I choose when I was a kid" "I chose to grow up and become an asshole"
I also found one that would make a great gift for my ex-wife, it says on it "Your village called..they want their idiot back"
PS: for Robin, no I want be sending her anymore darts unless there poison tipped so she can throw them at unsuspecting Western men.
Nas> You just come across as an older guy with an insecurity complex. Do you realize that ever since I joined this forum 2 years ago, you offer one or two helpful comments and 99.99% of the rest of the time you generally just usually resort to insulting anyone with their own opinion contrary to yours? You come across as the forum's biggest a** a lot of the time unfortunately, but you have some good thoughts, but they're as rare as finding a hot young girl in FSU who isn't a true gold-digger. ;p
And for your information, I don't need to impress anyone by trying to be someone I'm not and I don't need to resort to this fictional $1000 a night hotel. why would I do that when I hate gold-diggers in the first place? If I wanted to find someone with a love for money, I'd get a hooker, at least they work for a living. ;p
Sometimes we can be too choosy with our partners you will very unlikely find the exact woman you seek and as time goes on maybe your criteria will become even more tougher. Nobody is perfect ourselves included so accept a few flaws in your search I think the most important thing is that they have a good heart and are kind.
aussieman41,
That was your mistake, to try to buy an Iryna, Irina, Ira indeed an Irishka a tee shirt, or indeed a set of darts (and I too am fed up of hearing of a bl00dy set of darts). On an Irina, Iryna etc. you don't spend money, indeed you save money by not paying for contraception, just put a bun in her oven, tell the world you both planned it when you damn well didn't, then in you head, but only your head, you will believe that life is a bed of roses :)
sure. i used to be pretty picky about what i wanted in a girl! then it turned out that me and olya just get on great *and* i think she's pretty cute with it! lol! i guess i was just lucky...
In regard to Colins post, in the early days going back to 2004/05 when I first started looking at FSU women over the internet using lots of agencies both good and bad ( but mainly bad and among my collection of agencies I had dealings with were Confidential Connections, now UA ladies, Global Ladies, Anastasia, Elenas Models were I bought quite a few E-books from her,datemefree.org,IKARINTER, the free russian singles,globaldate.net,and many more and probably used more than a ream of paper with the letters I wrote and percentage of women that were good or ok was about 2 out 10, the rest were shit or scammers ), I was not that choosy, some were good looking, a lot were just average girls but were Iwent wrong I was looking at 24 plus somethings when I was over 40 which is too old to be realistic.
Also I relied on a lot of agency hype and then I learnt with Elenas e-books, stop scammers forum and some other forums which painted these girls in a new and somewhat dim light.
Its very hard to find an honest decent FSU girl over the internet, some say go there and discover them for yourself which is probably right but you can't go without a plan.
The girls themselves can be very choosy ( which is there right and I don't condemn them for that, no one wants to marry and make a life with any old shit or dog being it a man or a woman ).
But some girls like Iryna are a bit too choosy and there profiles downright scary...I think I know more about Iryna from Krivoy she knows herself and investigated her before I quit this for good in 2007 when I meet my current local girl, some very detailed digging around and probing found that she has been listed on a few agency sites since 2003 and is still listed and logging in to a couple of profiles in 2008, she's been hanging around on the net for 5 years trying to find a man, she is attractive but too fussy and will never find a man because her profile will scare most men away, by the way the profile I read of her when I first found her was much nicer than this scary thing I found on her in early 2007.
I think Iryna of Krivoy Rog profile description and description of what she wants in a man as listed in my earlier post in this thread is typical of a lot of Ukrainian womens dreams who present themselves is right and Apals anaylse of Ukrainian girls and what dreams they pursue and want in men is correct.
If the Ukrainian girls on the internet were very frank and outright in there agency profiles like Iryna at the start, it would scare a lot of Western guys away from them, only when we go on the personal visit to we found the true nature, the true colours and the true dreams of what these women want and most men fall way short of it and this results in many failed trips to the FSU, I think the woman over in Ukraine are causing the personal meetings to fail more than us Western men who go because THEY have unrealistic expectations of us and life in the West and when reality bites at the metting the wole lot goes down the shitter leaving men out of pocket a lot in an exercise that was a total waste of time..thats my analysis of it and I think I am spot on...I don't have to go there, you can read between the lines in the reports of mens failures and the in between the lines of some of the womens agency profiles to arrive at this logical conclusion...nothing unreal in life exists except these girls!
Iryna will turn into an old babooshka before she gets a man, be on the net for years, gawd if she treats her local Ukr boyfriends like this nothing will last with her.
Aussie> You've been posting about that girl Irina a lot lately. But your right, a lot of these girls in agencies pretend to be someone they are not to lure a man. My first penpal did that and was traumatized when she revealed her true nature to me and I called off meeting her for the second return visit. Everything in her original profile was a lie actually. Even local dating sites are like this too Aussie. I do admire her honesty in knowing what she wants and doesn't want. It's not going to get a lot of response, but I think she's trying to eliminate a lot of noise from incompatible suitors. She's patient, and if she's 26 she and patient, she might find the man she needs and wants.
As for me, yeah I realize I'm extremely picky when it comes to marrying unfortunately. I always dreamed of meeting that diamond in the rough. I'll be patient. I will write her first and then a month before I visit my favorite girl, I'll write some other girls to meet if something doesn't go well for whatever reason. It happens. Unfortunately, my experience is me declining the other girl and not vice-versa and it isn't fun for anyone.
Your Irina has probably declined men and been declined by men, so she's just being open to help her and others. If I were her, I'd tone it down into a less rude "in your face" profile, but maybe she's venting her frustrations?
It was my dream to meet the type of girl I had in mind, and she's an extremely rare beauty. I can't and won't settle for less than my ideal. I think your girl is the same perhaps, but I can't say I'm even remotely interested in her.
Apal, I used Irina as a good example of a Ukraine girl that was very upfront and frank about what she wanted in a Western man, I wrote to her quite a while but the letters were few and far in between, she was not the kind of girl who would go to the internet cafe in Krivoy Rog and check her mail, average reply on letters from her was 2 to 3 weeks and she never revealed too much about herself, these girls are what I call "very closed" in e-mails and letters..they don't tell much about their lives and family, the letters can be very mundane and ordinary and very generalised with no detail..I think it is a trait in them and belief not to reveal too much about oneself because its bad luck to do so..I heard about this and I also heard Ukrainians and Russians have many superstitious and odd beliefs about life..its quite a bit more than us breaking a mirror and having 7 years of bad luck.
I think Irinas profile ( it was undiscovered until after I wrote her a while ) is a true representation of what most Ukraine girls want and a lot of agency profiles are very glossed over and not true..they are not going to take any man and they are not desperate to leave their countries..this is the real facts!
I have nothing against Irina, she has a right to find what she is happy with but if she ahd written all that in all her other profiles, I would never have corresponded with her in the first place, she got some good darts and some DVDs as a gift from me and its no big deal and I moved on and told her I was not suitable for her in the end and did not meet her requirements which were many and very particular and wished her good luck.
I am glad I did find the serious alternative profile on her, she never told me what she expected in the first place in a man, I ahd to work that one out for myself and pull the plug.
It would have been a waste of time and money to visit her, her true attitude would have been revealed in a personal meeting, I would have taken that as "being very bitchy and ungrateful" and told her to wake up and get stuffed and left..I got no time for this kind of fussy woman..we all have faults..nobdy is perfect but she wants perfection in my belief!
FOOTNOTE: Irina was the last FSU girl, I wrote to last year before I pulled the plug on this thing and then I meet my local girl!
No, they were 97% tungsten Martin, top range darts that I got cheap on Ebay for $43 brand new but retail for well over $100, they were Harrows Magnums 21 grams with knurled shafts and dimplex flights..did that tell you anything new, Martin?..it was a cheap and cheerful gift and the DVDs were burnt copies I made on my computer that cost less than $1 each, the blanks that is!...I am cheap man!
Aussie> Damn that's cheaper than sending a dozen rozes. ;p I absolutely hate it when it takes 2+ weeks for a penpal to write a letter back. And your right about most of them being closed. It's a cultural thing as you noted.
My girl sells stuff on ebay, sheets and other manchester for 50 to 100% profit on average, I write the adds for her as she can't spell good but her math is very good and she chips in on the groceries, buys all the meat while I do all the fresh veges, condiments and other stuff but we go halfys on the desserts, works well and we eat well without costing a fortune, eat far better now as she cooks decent meat dishes and roasts which I never cooked as a single guy.
I buy a lot of stuff on ebay at a bargain, this computer I write my posts on was EbaY built of second hand parts I assembled and loaded win xp pro, fraction of the price of a new p.c and just as good, it burns DVDs, music and plays reasonable high end games on its 128 meg graphics and 1 gig of ram..does everything I want for around 35% of the cost of a new one which I don't want as I hate windows vista!
There is lots of bargians to be had if you are patient, wait and search for them on Ebay.
Even my old car was an Ebay purchase and I have had very little trouble with it in the 3 years I have had it, it was a replacement for a car that was written off in an accident that was totally not my fault ( a mad road hoon and menace aged 19 years and well known to the police was speeding and driving dangerously and slammed into the rear of my legally parked car at around 70 kilometres an hour with me in it and nearly killed me in 2004, suffice to say he got a $2750 fine and disqualified from driving for 18 months and his $12000 second hand car was not repaired by the insurance company and it was totalled, unrepairableas he was already driving without a licence as it was under suspension and that voided his insurance,stupid dickhead! )insurance company gave me only a market value payout which is well under the cost of cars out of a used car yard so I had to go to Ebay to get something decent, reliable and registered with the insurance check money.
Irinas darts were a bargain, you could not buy these top range darts in the Ukraine, they cost nearly the equivelant of a month of there salary and not stocked anywhere there, they were a top gift for her that cost me peanuts and I imported from a ebay seller out of the US who had a new set for sale.
Irina don't know how little I paid for them, they don't tell much about themselves either so what they don't know won't hurt them, but if these Ukr women told and revealed more about their personal lives, some of us men might be in for a rude shock and bolt from them.
I think in a lot of personal meetings too little is known about the FSU girl before the guy arrives and when he gets there he gets a rude shock and awakening and thats why most of these internet initiated personal meetings fail!
I also know these girls only get the month of August off ( the Summer vacation ) and thats the best time to go as they might have time for you???, this is usually there works annual holiday or leave for about 4 weeks..any other time they are too busy working and ahve not time for you and its a waste!
Odd Quote of the year IMO: "The trick is to choose an average looking women". Aim average and you are sure to succeed...................in finding someone "average". Why go to all this trouble to find someone "average"? Unless the home choices are less than average, in which case one should look in the mirror first.
Dun> Your absolutely correct in both cases. Lots of average and available women locally. ;p
I guess their talking about the majority of men in the lower 10-20% percentile in the looks department that frequent Ukraine and always try to nail the hot young thing from some agency. ;p I just smile and laugh on the inside every single time I see it being tried.
I suppose that's what that quote was aiming at. In that case, an average girl is probably spot on.
I just returned from Moscow and Kiev and I had a wonderful time! The ladies were "easy" and foolish... at the same time. I found all it takes is to always look them in the eyes and talk about the most important thing in their lives... them. Soon they think they love you and readily give it up.
Mini Cooper
Mini Cooper, thanks for positive story. I am got tired of crying men here. I invite you to make a blog for us from your trip you can post photos there. it would be nice to see what Moscow looks like and real Russian women.
Uh... Mini wasn't actually complimenting "real Russian women". He was talking about those willing to "give it up" (meaning screw a guy), for just looking in their eyes and shallowly talking about to them ABOUT them.
If you are just talking about having sex with FSU women - that's how to do it. SOME are very shallow and will talk about any subject on earth - as long as its THEM. And then they will screw you for the favor.
Personally I'm not looking for that - but I know its easily found.
Yo ... Jetmumbler lighten up a little and enjoy this wonderful life we have been blessed with! Or did your boyfriend Andrew/Julia dump you? Hey, by the way I did see a few guys in Moscow holding hands with other guys... you two would like it there! Just imagine yourselves strolling along Red Square talking about those true feelings of love and the deep emotions that stir the soul... yuck.