I'll take Kharkov. I've been to both places. Let's see I could go to South Beach and meet a coke snorting, part time stripper, part time bi-sexual, big boat chasing, gold digging bitch who will milk me for free drinks all night or go to Kharkov and meet just as beautiful women who hate drugs, 99% have advanced college degrees, Love men for just being men, and the most important thing to them is true love and family. You guys have fun in South Beach. I'll go where the weather is cold but the hearts are warm.
Dean, well, from what I hear on the forum, both places are similar, and you don't need a passport to go to South Beach! Anyone ever give thought tht a real Russian woman would not be caught dead at a "meat party"? Scouring many sites on the subject, these big social gatherings are more like a gathering of prostitutes, or horny women trying to score. Now, what self-respecting Russian lady would agree to go to a "mass meeting"? I don't think many. Look beyond the rose colored glasses to see the truth.
Chip, it has been my experience that the women at the socials are mostly of women with good intentions. I'd say ten percent are the horny/prostitute type you describe but I have yet to meet one myself.
Your right about real Russian women would not be caught dead at a "Meat Party". What happens is that a girl will go to her first social and most times her last. They love the party and they love the men they meet but they hate the odds. The average party consist of 200 women and about 15 to 25 guys tops. The big difference between South Beach and Kharkov? When I see a beautiful girl in Kharkov I have a chance! Try it you might like it! I'll even loan you my glasses!
Deanis, I love your style and go-get-it attitude. I am very sceptical like Chip about "social gatherings". I have the same feeling with you that most honest girls might go there once and then forget it. I personally think the odds of meeting a good woman in a social are slim, but then I haven't been in one, so I may as well be wrong.
One thing I love about this forum is the tendency for everyone to be experts on things they have never done and know nothing about("but I read somewhere once..." just doesn't cut it). I have been to some of the great mysterious Socials in the former Soviet Union (Ukraine) that a lot of you guys only guess about. I can tell you that there are a LOT of honest legitimate women there hoping to meet an American man. Is it humiliating for some of the women who travel six hours by bus to sit in a room and (quite likely) never be spoken to (because there are 200-300 women and only perhaps 15 men)? HELL YES. They all complain about that. But they keep coming back - because they see it as a viable option. The economy in many of these countries is still really bad - you have no idea unless you have been there. Its a different world than most of us are used to. And the odds for them are a lot better than they would be at say, playing the lottery. Are there hookers who just want to latch onto American men for money and shopping trips (either right there or in America)? Absolutely, yes there are. What you find depends on what you are looking for. But if you want an honest, legitimate, intelligent woman with old-world values - who treats a man like a man (and is as hot looking as you can imagine)- then go to Russia, go to Ukraine, go to the Socials. Believe me. Its worth it.
Chipster - read the words more closely (ALL the words count). I said I have been to "some" socials - not "many". Am I married yet? No, not yet. Were you married after "some" dates? DO you have to be married after "some" dates where you come from? Or is anything beyond "some" dates just catting around? Are you jealous Chipster or just annoyed at being called on something you know nothing about?
Well, This year I attended nine social parties during three trips. All provided by "A Foreign Affair" For those of you that have never been but are curious check out the AFA website and click on Romance tours and then click on recent tour photos. I'm in the Yalta 2003 and Kharkov 2003 September photos. It's a fair representation of what the women look like there. I met some wonderful women at the socials. If I had met these same women here in the USA I would have ended up wanting to marry at least six of them. But, being the picky bastard that I am and my stock being much higher in the FSU I've decided to hold out until I meet the girl that just blows me away. One thing that I cant get used to is throwing away girls that I would give my right arm for a date with her back home in the US. I personaly didn't care for the socials because all the ladies overwhelmed me. The best thing I discovered with the socials and the romance tour itself is the new friendships you develop with your fellow tour clients. I though we all would be competitive but its not like that at all. It turned out to be a team effort to my surprise. We all networked together and helped each other out. We shared all our knowledge of the girls. Totally a bonus I didn't expect. I highly recommend a tour for any of you Newbies out there for your first trip. Make good contacts while there. Create your network of good guides or translators and keep in touch via telephone and emails. You will use them later for your private trip back ( And you will want to go back!) this will cut your cost in half. Bottome line is the social party is just another tool for us to use in our quest of meeting the girl of our dreams. Jet is right that the some girls do travel over an hour or more just to be there and some will end up with not even a moment of our time. I found it kind of sad and actually made it a point to speak to as many girls as I could even when I wasn't interested. They all provide interesting conversation. Oh! By the way. Out of about 60 guys I have met at the socials and tours I know of 6 that are now engaged to women from the socials. So it can work but don't rely on just the socials. Also, I was told from my fellow tour clients that AFA puts out the best social party.
No, i am not jealous, just seem weird how you speak so highly of the quality girls at these socials, yet you have not found one. I do no tknow where you are from, but unless you are a millionaire, I do not see the efficiency of going to Russia for socials without the serious intent. If you do have serious intent, then why has no serious results come of it? You obviously went to some, and what was the result of each? The way I see it, either 1) you had serious intent, but did not find a serious girl, or 2) you did not have serious intent and have to go to another country for some play. I am here to find a wife, plain and simple. Meet online, exchange e-mails, and telephone conversations, then once the personality compatibilty is established, then we meet to see if the physical compatibility is established. Once that is done, we get married. Simple, and serious.
jetmba, the fact that these women would go through all this trouble and humiliation in hope to meet an American shows desperation (urgent financial need, urgent need to find a passport out of the country, woman who cannot find man for whatever reason). You're right these women go to the socials because the men are there (not one or two but thirty dudes in one room). I believe that these women are serious about getting married, but I also believe they're not serious about spending the time to get to know someone before they get married.
It sounds like plain meat market and is hard to believe that it is not.
Good points by all and should be considered when and if anyone decides to attend a social. On the desperation issue I found something interesting while visiting the FSU. I don't think they are so desperate to leave their country although I'm sure there will be some cases of that. What I found is that the girls are desperate to find a quality man. First, their are more women than men in Russia and Ukraine. Second, you have rampant alcohol and drug use among the men. Third, I'm told their men make terrible husbands and fathers. Half the girls I dated live at home with their mother. Their fathers are either dead or had abandoned the family. Believe it or not we American men have a reputation in Russia and Ukraine as being good fathers and husbands and for the most part I think that is true of us. Also and added bonus is that we American men have a reputation of being good lovers too. With all that going for us it's no wonder two hundred girls show up at a party for a chance to meet twenty guys!