You forgot "Good Riddance". For thats how we feel about you. Personally I don't care WHO convinced you to go away, I'm just very pleased that someone did.
Its not really neccessary for me to point out your obnoxious and offensive personality, which is the reason women in your own country as well as the FSU can't stand you - you do that yourself.
there is no rules . and fsu women dont just suit one particular person. every person has annoying tendncies
Gee danny did you change your name again or did the moderators boot you for something stoopid you did. No matter what name you hid under your uneducated grammar and spelling will always give you away.
I was in Ukraine this year.
I tried more AFA socials. They really suck. I would only advise first time visitors to go.
Once you get to know the type of girls (majority) that attend then it's a waste of money.
There are too many party girls and most are not on the AFA membership/website etc.
AFA and in particular John Adams just invites the ladies to come to the social without any commitment for them to join the site or post their profile. They just come in off the street.
This is proven by the many similar responces the question i asked each lady.
I asked them why they were there that day?
Most said "Oh, my friend was coming here and i just come along to see what it is about. I am not here to meet a man, i am just here for the music, dancing, free champagne, and prizes".
So, like i said, that is a very popular answer by the ladies.
And of course party girls are easy to recognise, they just want to dance and not talk or get to know the guy.
John Adams does not care, he just makes loads of money and could not care less about the guys.
He even thinks that things are the same in Ukraine (with regard to many wanting to meet and marry foriegn guys) as they were back in the 1990's when he met his future Russian wife.
He is living on a different planet. Things have changed a lot since them. The economy is much better, even with the past year's down-turn. Most women do not want to leave Ukraine, except if they meet a guy with lot's of money.
There are very few decent honest ladies there now. I met one or two, but even they start to think that they will be no better off on UK, USA, or Western Europe etc.
They are waiting for the rich guy or price to come into their lives.
It's all a crazy situation.
Guys, go and see the country and it's women. Judge for yourselves. But you will need several trips and lots of money.
Be wise, don't buy gifts for ladies. Don't be fooled by their sudden need to go home via a taxi (except very late at night it's not a good idea to get them a taxi, as they will most certainly inflate the price to make some profit).
They all use machutkas (mini buses), when you are not looking. and the latter on cost 1 or 2
grivna. They even use the tube trains and they cost even less.
So they will ask you for taxi money and then take the cheaper transport- a typical scam.
I was in those socials and I am an average looking man (probably what you would call a geek). I do not know about my social skills, but most women I met there loved the fact that I spoke Russian. Most girls I approached were happy to talk to me, because we could understand each other easily.
Out of three socials I had two girlfriends. They were young, beautiful, and very nice ladies. Unfortunately we drifted apart after a while. Both are still my friends, but I think that we drifted because I felt that they were not what I was looking for. Otherwise I would have done more to be closer (like I eventually did with my now fiancee).
I always look at myself in the mirror and I believe that I can get what I want and not settle for anything less. If you sell yourself short, you lost the battle already. Women similar to the ones I met in FSU would never give me the time of day in my country, but I have had very successful, positive, and fulfilling relationships with FSU women.
I think that it all depends on what we really want and what we think we can achieve. We project our internal feelings about ourselves and what we want. The more we value ourselves, the more value others give to us. There may be another reason why women in my country do not pay attention to me: I am not interested in them at all. And is what I often project. But I felt different with FSU women, reason why I was successful there.
Attitude says a lot about a person. If you approach your search with the right attitude you will probably find what you want and more. You may surprise yourself if you go for it with the right attitude.
And just in case, I am not a wealthy man either, so I did not go there flashing money around to compensate for my average physical characteristics. No! I went there like a genuine man always looking for real love. I gave my heart to my search without being afraid of getting hurt (which I did -> that is life). But I was never scammed.
There was a great programme on tv here this week about a bunch of American guys who attended an AFA social in Odessa they all paid about 5000 bucks. The documentary showed the guys from when they arrive in Ukraine to when they get to their hotel to the AFA staff coaching the guys on how to pull one of the girls. The guys all had their expectations but from what happened next it was plain that the whole event is a money spinner and a complete carve up. The girls arrive and the guys try and talk with the girls mostly with interpreters. As the evening goes on it is obvious the girls are on the make and are really getting the champagne down them. The only thing that is good about this is that it gets the guys to open their eyes to Ukrainian women. It is a realistic review on how easy it is for the women to make money and how the agenies can make money selling an unachievable dream. The programme can be seen online. Chanel 4 on demand service wed 23 sept, dawn porter.
I have not seen that documentary, but I think that they filmed it the time I went to those socials (there was a British film crew while I was there). Is the AFA guide a woman? If it is, then we are talking about the same documentary.
Regardless, what you do not see in that programme is what happens behind the scenes. When they were filming, many of the guys kindly asked not to be filmed, so the cameras had to remain focused on a narrow area of the social, where only the guys and gals who wanted to be "famous" dared to go to.
It was like any other TV recording. If you wanted to be popular you acted for the cameras. Meanwhile, the real people were having real conversations in private with real nice girls. That documentary only told the "commercial" side of the story. The people you do not see in the picture are the people who were taking advantage of the reality of the situation.
You had to sign a release form before appearing on TV, and many of us refused to do so. Therefore, do not make a blanket conclusion based on the images you see on TV.
Despite that, I am in no way promoting AFA's socials. I am just saying that your experience will vary depending on many different factors. I did it for the experience and I had two positive and one disappointing results (three socials). For somebody new to this world, I see it as a good alternative. Not all the women there were after money. Some were genuinely looking for a good chance to find real love and probably a better life outside Ukraine.
Like I said before, I had the advantage of knowing Russian, so I got to communicate with plenty of the girls (no need for a translator). That allowed me to ask the difficult questions, which helped me understand the motivation behind some of these girls. I had no complaints, except the film crew around all the time.
I forgot to say something:
The actual price of such tour (Odessa-Nikolaev-Kherson) is not $5K. The advertised price is less than $4K, but I paid a lot less than that because I was already in Ukraine visiting somebody else.
That is true, they did only portray the negative aspect of it. Yes it was a british film crew her name was Dawn Porter. You are right there are more sides to Ukraine women than this programme portrays. I tried to tell this to people who saw this and tried to make out that all women there are scammers. They can draw their own conclusions but i know that this programme was a little one sided.
I don't know Johnny, maybe Geckos got a point. There are more frauds than just agencys out there. It seems Johnny you have an ax to grind with AFA, why don't you just put it out on the table what the issue is and see who the clever one is? Remember our more enlightened members think this forum is a place to vent when you get scammed.
Instead of paying attention to what guys before me laid out, we all think we are just a little smarter and it won't happen too us. I just don't understand it. With all the beautiful ladies in Ukraine and the former FSU why some guys just have to run to an agency and get burned. It doesn't make sense.
Why Russian women?.... lamb for sale at mutton prices.
Age difference…me personally.. 7 years max. I’ve dated women 10 years younger or more and found there was an age gap in terms of my expectations and hers.
I’d certainly like to have a 25 year old hottie in my home wandering about in her undies, but keeping her interested in my interests would be a battle…probably a loosing one.
Beautiful young women often enjoy lofty status by doing nothing at all. I don’t see how they can be considered good partners simply by being youthful.
Anyway; I found the sincere ladies on normal dating sites. The insincere ones usually came from agencies.
I've noticed women on here that are also on elenasmodels, and women on there who are also on Kiev Connections. Some are 'personal email available', so I get the feeling they're just hedging their bets (I'm with all three after all). Then there are women on some or all of the above who are very obviously trawling for a sucker - privately or through an agency. An honest agency can have a gold digger for a client, and an honest woman can end up with a 'tax' heavy agency. My guiding rule so far is 'caveat emptor' - buyer beware. I do checks, stay away from pay-per-letter, consider the individual situation, and I judge a woman on her behaviour, regardless of the site or agency.
Age difference: as little as possible (my main 'prospect' right now is 1 year younger). My max is around 7 years - 8 in 'special' circumstances ;P Having said this, I only think I'd get away with that kind of difference because I'm relatively young (immature?) for my age.
For me, FSU is just one option. I'm with a few other sites including one that's just 'international' - so there's contact with women from everywhere. Believe me, if you think there's scammers here, try having a profile that's visible in Africa!
Indeed, I was on one site that had IM and the ladies could open yours for chat if you had full profile.
Interestingly; they could only connect to your IM if you accepted. However the African ones could get right through to you without even waiting for you to accept.
Curiosity got the better of me one time and I began chatting with one from Ghana or some such shithole....when she told me she was in London I asked her the time there....big long pause...then she gave the time as at least 4 hours out.
I got bored pretty quickly
Priceless!! Probably a bloke, too. I've spent far too much time laughing at 419eater.com to be taken in by them, but it's always amusing when they try (which they frequently do). I find FSU scammers cute by comparison (financing a gold digger seems a step up from being kidnapped and held to ransom somehow).
Four hours out - just loving that :D What was 'her' excuse?