May 28 -- I forget how many days I have been here. Stopped counting money. Woke up and it is true - not a fucking lite in the place works -- still had hot water though.
Today I find out the kind of person I am. Miss Russia is arriving this afternoon on train. Taking Mary with me to train station. We will see.
Meanwhile, last night --- fucking brilliant-- I meet Miss Universe. We go for a couple drinks and as we arrive at apartment ---- after I lie my ass off to her that I was leaving tomorrow -- I forget that I have newly stocked food stuffs about the place. While she is taking off the heels and putting on the slippers - Julian is like a mad man hiding shit anywhere he can quickly. The refrigerator is on a different circuit than the lights- three frozen bananas --- turned into black mush this morning. Dried pasta etc in freezer - availble hiding space ----- ha.
Now I have a couple hours to get my shit together for Miss Russia, try to get the lighting situation fixed, meet translator and take care of business with her. Hopefully get laundry taken care of. And who knows, I may be able to find the cab that has my brand fucking new camera with three days worth of photos.... Now we understand why computer was important. Besides photo journal there is also a lot of personal info I needed from the laptop. Next time. Pack a lot different.
I wonder if any serious relationships will develop from this. One can see why many men make many trips and chew through tons of women. I believe if you are really serious about developing a relationship you can find the serious woman.
Your not in Ukraine.Do really think that us guys are so stupid to believe this.Most of us have travelled many times to Ukraine.You make fun of this forum.But i think you a very sad man.Think you best get a life.You waste your time with your stupid story
@Olga: As of last report, Julian lost his camera...
Guys, it's great sport here to take shots at each other, but I have no reason to doubt Julian's word. If I'm following his semi-frantic posts correctly, he has "scored" with one woman, Miss U.
Although it's a lot better than I've done :-\ it's hardly unbelievable!
Julian, I hope all goes well with the lady from Russia. If I understood right, she was the serious prospect... and anyway, the one who's made a big trip to see you. I hope you'll remember why you started this whole process in the first place, and keep your eyes on the prize.
gentlemen, Olga, can't upload photos - no longer have them. Funny that I have time to write from 9 or 10 PM or very early in the morning. It is 5 AM, Miss Russia is still asleep and after I met a few ladies I didn't go cruising the clubs. BTW - nothing I posted is bullshit.
Yesterday - After just walking around in the morning and watching people I come to the great realization of dress. $ 95 dollars tomy bahama shirt, $200 Maui Jim sunglasses, $125 blue jeans, $100 ROUND black shoes realizing I no longer give a fuck how I dress here --- priceless.
Miss Russia is due in on the Adler-Kiev train. Mary and I take the metro to meet train. She was on car 11 just as she said in email. We instantly recognize each other. Bonus time -- I have Miss Russia as not a ten or nine on looks. Just above average - but she is way cool and brilliant. When she steps off the train she looks like her much better looking sister younger.
Take cab back apt. Translator needs to boogie. We are left on our own. She doens't understand the spoken word very well yet. But write it down and she knows exactly what is said. She freshens up. We go to sidewalk cafe for a lite bite. Then head out --- she has her camera and I'm back in the photo business again. Walked around and saw some interesting 'events' going on up near that big silver arch. Lot's of folks in military style garb and a lot of beer being consumed.
We decide to head to river and take a ferry ride - music was a bit loud. A nice way to kill some time. Camera battery quits will on river. We decide there is another day for river. After that, stop in little coffee shop 'repriza' (?) have a decadent chocolate cake and espresso, get cab back to apt. Spent an hour - -btw plugged in computer last night in different outlet it works afain with different plug adaptor -- showed her my house on google, showed her a lot of stuff on inet related to me and what I do. I brought along some dvd's for her to take back home -- yeah, me, big spender on the gifts - a collection of alfred hitchcock black and white shorts, "The Quiet Man" - John Wayne flick and river runs through it. We decide to watch A River Runs Through It. Didn't finish movie long and tired day.
Game, set and match!!! This is the last you will hear about Miss Russia during this trip. She is a keeper.
Okay - not the last thing about Miss Russia, After an hour or so and during our lunch she finally blurts it out. "Why do you see other women?!!!!!" Had to experience the accent and ire in her voice to appreciate it. Just the written word does not do it justice. I am forgiven. Yeah, I heard it before she will always have it in the back of her mind and bring it up whenever she pleases. We will see.
Elena's Models, Kievconnections. From my experience -- what little there is -- the girls on Elena's Models are very serious. Of course with the usual percentage of questionable motives and a percentage of those just checking it out not really sure if they can make the move. Miss Universe (KC) wanted to be sure her and junior would be enrolled in Eglish classes a soon as the plane touched down. Miss America (KC)-- I'm pretty sure I saw her photo on a scammers list but went with her just to find out. And although she has very tasteful photos on KC, there are photos of her on another site that are very inviting. Of the 5 or 6 they lined up for me at KC I actually only met three. I told them after a couple days I didn't want to meet any more "ladies". I did make some calls to contacts I made through elenas. And there are a few I can highly recommend as serious. I'm still getting emails from ladies. When I get back to the states I will be closing down shop in the russian dating game. Unless I have insomnia again this story will be continued in a few days. I actually now do have better things to do than to write on the forum.
Cheers! Julian
There is a stark contrast to me and another guy I saw at KC. He seemed to be in there every day going through the photos. I showed him a photo of a lady I decided to turned down and this guy's jaw drops. Next day I see him carrying around the printed profile a beautiful young lady. And still searching through the list. After two days I tell them to cancel everything - no more dates. And there are guys in there shopping like it's the sears and robuck christmas catalogue. I actually became quite disgusted with it in a few days. But yes, I admit I did have a few days of fun and adventure. It is 6:30 AM on what may be the best day of my life. Sleepy head is still tucked in and I'm itching to make breakfast and hit the streets a runnin.
I told you they will know. This can be a deal killer. And you only brought her DVDs? Can you run out and get her a bracelet or something a little nicer and more personal?
At least buy her some damn flowers, maybe as you two part.
Listening to your recounts I must admit Julian I was disgusted also but with your Miss Russia you sound like a decent guy.
Please keep your personal life with Miss Russia, personal. We only need the general summary and suggestions.
Yes again, if the guy is really serious in the beginning, you can easily find serious women. Who will be killer women in all accounts.
To echo baron/Phil, I was pretty worried about you, reading your earlier posts.
And I felt reassured when you called the gal from Russia a "keeper". I hope you will remember the hurt you heard in her voice when she asked about other women, and take good care of her...
I hope you are both having a great time, that you will always remember.
well gents,
thanks for your comments. I received an email from Miss Kiev last night. Too bad for her a project kept her busy for a week. Funny what dun said, Sleeping Beauty told me back in March one of her biggest faults was sleeping in. At first it really didn't occur to me, but Sleeping Beauty is very stunning looking. I suppose I just dug her and it really didn't matter to me. But after walking around all day -- and the looks we were getting from passersby -- I realize men turn their heads to check her out. And women. Kind of that how dare you look from the Kiev bikini team.
I decided to keep 'the journal' going. I experienced another short setback with SB yesterday. After our morning walk around Kiev - put in another 5 mile morning it seems. Plan is see if Mr America and his GF Miss Sumy are at local cafe - he has flour and a couple things I could use for the kitchen. Then hit local grocer for a couple spices and stuff to make salad dressing. Then find a "cheap" pair of shoes for her. The tour people sent email - absolutely no shorts, wear long sleeve shirts and under no circumstance sandle, heels, or open shoes of any kind -- needed to go shopping.
Anyway, while sitting at cafe with Mr America and Miss Sumy, Mr A goes to WC. Miss Sumy and SB are chatting up a storm. Suddenly I get the cold stare and a let's leave now from SB. What about drinks we ordered - leave now!!! Okay, we split. Head to grocer to pick up a few things. Head back to apt, make nice salad for lunch and suddenly I get the cold blank stare. WHAT?? Just don't look at me like that! This is the quote of the century, "You are sex tourist!" What? How did you deduce that? 1) Spain 2) Your friend from America. Great, apparantly this guy I don't know from Adam has been visiting this lady for three years. And she was sharing all the details with SB. Apparently it's the birds of a feather, guilt by association mentality. Okay now WTF does Spain have to do with it? I said let's go to Barcelona in August. She equated that in some convoluted way with Mr America and his adventures. Baby, there is no way you can get a visa to visit usa in 60 days, and from what you told me, I have no desire to visit Krasnodar, then why not Spain? Makes perfect sense. Or Odessa or come back to Kiev. To shorten the story, all is well and good. Miss Russia, Sleeping Beauty (SB) is officially my exclusive girlfriend. I wish I could tell you what happened next...
DAY 7:
Get up early, surprisingly Sleeping Beauty (SB) is up and showered by 8:30. I make a traditional American breakfast, bacon, eggs, potatoes, juice and fruit. We grab camera and head west. I am in search of an electronics store to buy a spare battery for my movie camera - it takes stills but the lcd is barely visible in bright sun. Get back for lunch and experience previous post by me.
Apparently she had it in her mind we were going to visit the Lavra Monestary that afternoon. Great, I'm going to the same place twice in less than a week. It will give me chance to recover lost photos though.
We decide to go tomorrow. We take camera and head up to St Sophie. Turn left and just walk. Find another cool looking temple/church for another photo op - these things are everywhere. We wind down hill - steep streets and sidewalks in very much need or repair. Lots of cobblestone. We emerge at a market place. Unbelievable. Fresh fruit, veggies food out the yang - my kind of place. Also on the upper level are vendors -- I had my eye on a pair of black roach killers with a silver chain around the side and half-boot cut. After she picked out a pair of comfortable (legal) shoes, I started to suggest a few pairs for myself to try on. She was giving me the no f;in way head shake and look of disgust. Apparently she does not want me to dress like the gangsters in Kiev. She got a laugh out of my explanation of why I called them roach killers.
We start walking carrying bag with new shoes, fresh fruit and veggies. I seriously wish there was a place like this close to my home. Have not a clue where we are. Just use built in gps and start making rights and lefts. By the way, once you out of the center of Kiev, it Rivals Philadelphia by it's presence of trash, old streets and the seemingly never ending construction sites. Actually much dirtier than Philly. We just head up hills. Eventually come to this very steep cobblestone street and the street vendors are everywhere. You name it was for sale. Between the market and this place,, if I wanted to go shopping while in Kiev this is the place. Finally after what seemed like hours we make it back to apt. Another five miles and the dogs are barking. SB actually remembers that expression from letter way back. And by the way, the movies were not a gift per se, we discussed ways to improve english skills. Voila' a few different movies.
Back at apt. I'm cleaning shrimp she is cutting up three different varieties of cherry tomatoes, garlic, fresh herb etc. Dinner is made - butterfly pasta, shrimp in a lite orange cream sauce (did not skimp on fresh minced garlic), with red bell pepper, mushroom etc. and a fresh salad with home made dressing. I opened a bottle of chardonay to use in the sauce - she is a red wine drinker though. From my extensive collection here in Kiev, she chose the "Baron Nathaniel" - Pauillac 2004 'Baron Phillipe De Rothschild'
Now I have a half bottle of that leftover from last night, leftover Bourgogne region Beaujolais and a half bottle of chardoany. I suppose she'll want to open the Rothschild Merlot before finishing anything else.
After dinner, we finished watching movie from night before and retired for evening.
I did not outkick my coverage. In fact I could have boomed one and had it covered.
A few more observations: there are plenty of fat chicks in Kiev. The only difference from USA is they dress nicer. Hopefully the government hear outlaws fat chicks in spandex before it catches on.
As I have spent a week in Kiev it has occurred to me'; The reason there are so many hot women in Kiev is because that is what you are looking for. Generally speaking, spend a weekend in NYC in June. It rivals Kiev for hot women. Don't even mention california. I am starting to hear conflicting ideas of the attitude of the hot women. Some say they are snubby and others say they are just wonderful. Don't know myself. Not enough experience. Maybe I just got lucky.
Luck my friend comes with hard work. It sounds like you did that before you went to Kiev and you and SB established a real relationship as best you could via correspondence and other communication means. Now we will see if your two hearts confirm there is a match or not.
If you are both ready to take the next step, then do not wait, unless that is your agreement.
Do not forget to ensure you both have passport stamps and other receipts to establish that you both were in Kiev at the same time. The photos in front of the cathedrals are secondary evidence. The receipts and passport stamps, boarding passes, train tickets are primary evidence in the eyes of immigration.
She might be but all he has exposed, on a public and male dominated forum, is her willingness to spread her legs for him to shoot his sperm in to.
One, or more, nationality(s) have a lot to learn about 'wife' material and personal 'partner' willingness(s) not being talked of on a public forum for other guys to chuckle about.
He obviously has no respect for her thus any suggestion of a marriage is a joke!
Sorry Gecko but you do not understand what the priorities are at USCIS.
If she was from Kiev then I would want a copy of her passport or her police certificate as primary proof of her being from Kiev and not having any passport stamps.
Photos can be easily Photoshopped and Immigration knows this. They want better proof of a meeting to satisfy that part of the US Fiance Visa petition process. More info can be had at the Visa Journey forum website.