I do feel for martin, but creating these websites is non productive, there is nothing to gain and it could certainly get him in trouble. I suggest you take them down Martin.
The forum is meant to help us guys help each other and we need to stick together. So attacking each other serves no purpose. While your wasting your time fighting your blind to important things in your life. Having read the website it seems martin missed some red flags or choose ignore them and no doubt theres another side to it (but it should be kept private). Sometimes you need someone to tell you to wake up but martin kept quite all this time it seems (at least on here). Probably because he knew he would be laughed at which maybe true but in the long run people respect someone who is honest and admit they made mistakes and you may get some good advice. As for being scammed, he did give the money so its no scam or loan (ive seen enough judge judy to know this) so you can't expect anything back. I've been with a girl who said i love you forever, and then ran off with another guy. I said what happened to forever and she said "i've changed". Sh#t happens! Count yourself lucky.
I am not a fan of the arguing - it often harms the value of the forum.
The good thing about this thread, is that they have been keeping all of the fighting in one place, and not contaminating other threads.
For this reason, I hope this thread will stay open -- and I hope that any user who starts this kind of personal attack garbage on any other thread, will get their account cancelled.
Ben2006, indeed many men have had the "I love you" piece only to have them run off with some other...myself included.
I count myself lucky that this happened otherwise I'd still be stuck with her..for better or worse.
I don't really see many guys come on and get laughed at when it looks like they're about to be scammed. Only the ones who insist that their internet gal is the one. They come on this forum and have the red flags pointed out to them...insist that the hard heads on here are wrong and that their relationship is different. Then they duly uphold their part of the deal and get royally scammed and you never hear from them again.
Anyome who admits they've been taken for a ride but they've learned from it ...I'll buy them a drink any day of the week.
I don't know international law, UK, or Ukrainian law, but promises of marriage is not enforceable in the US. I only skimmed the website. I did not read it thoroughly, but that was the only promise that I saw that Lena promised. I did not see any promises to pay back. The question now is whether or not these were loans or gifts. I believe these were gifts in return for a marriage which is not enforceable.
Also my two cents worth. Again, I am not a lawyer.
Here's my tuppence worth and I'm no lawyer either.
Let's put things into perspective:-
Gal promises to marry you - it means nothing
Gal writes it down on a piece of paper and get a policeman or a doctor to witness it - means nothing
Cal marries you and promises in front of her family, friends and God to remain with you - means nothing
So the BMW compact that you bought for her, tied a yellow ribbon round and led her with her eyes closed to see on christmas day...you'll be having that back then...no you wont...its hers now...a gift.
Before I got married I had a flat that was worth a few quid, used it as a downpayment for a bigger place which she got after we divorced.
"What about the deposit from my flat which was mine and in my name and bought by me before we met"? says I
"It's hers now" says the lawyer "a gift to the marriage"
If Martin gave this woman any cash he can kiss it goodbye.
Well, earlier today, I gave the administrators my word that I wouldn't post again in this thread, I have just requested their permission to post, just to clarify some matters, I haven't received a reply but I hope they will understand that, as I have observed myself, this thread has become a topic of debate rather than "fisticuffs" thus might benefit others, in a similar situation, at some time in the future.
I have never been one to discuss my personal life, either on the internet or generally in public or even down the pub of a Saturday night, and she knew that. This nonsense posted earlier today, N claiming that it had been another posting, sending you PM's using his name is, exactly that, nonsense, the individual that has been posting, and PM'ing you, over the recent period had too much information, those apparent profiles of me on the internet could only be accertained to me by photo recognition and there is only one individual in NB's camp that knows of my physical appearance, her!
So full of confidence, over confidence, is/was this individual that I would never reveal the truth he came to this forum, to disrupt it and, ONLY to defame me, he vainly attempted to intimidate me with posts and PM's, he was PM'ing others of you and a number of those PM's were subsequently forwarded to me.
Just to clarify what a liar that individual is, two points:
1. That I have/had filed a police report on a previous ex partner, Danny even claims to have a copy of that police report!
I have NEVER filed any such police report on any partner ..... Danny, this is your opportunity to be honest, because I already know the answer, who informed you that such a police report exists and do you have a copy of it to show to the members of this forum? A simple answer, "yes" or "no" is the only answer required.
2. That I have been profiling on a particular dating site for "years" and that he had been in contact with the ladies that I had, supposedly, been corresponding with over the years.
Colin, previously, mentioned over 2,000 clicks to that profile, well had the profile been there 5 years then that would equate to less than 1 click per day, 4 years then over 1 click per day, 3 years then less than 2 clicks per day, 2 years less than 3 clicks per day when, in reality, profiles receive many multiple clicks per day.
I'm not going to mention the identity of that website out of respect, some of you will already know the identity of it, check on the website or contact them, even if he had managed to hack login information any messages in mailboxes there are automatically deleted after a period of 3 months, furthermore it is a subscription site, allbeit for circa $10 per month, do you think pretty ladies hang around a website for years at $10 per month just of the offchance Kojak comes calling?
Anybody smelling 'horse manure' yet'.
The administrators of this forum can clarify that I emailed them yesterday, kind of, asking permission to post the truth and I predicted to them that as soon as the truth were posted NB would run away from this forum with his tail between his legs.
Well please read what happened earlier today, read in to it, and then decide if I predicted correctly or not?
This is not a matter of law in any particular domicile, it's a matter of right and wrong. I am not bitter, I am not twisted, I am most certainly not besotted by the scammer that NB sleeps with each night, this is purely a matter of right and wrong and, as is on the websites, those are just the start. As her children may be growing up, they will learn the art of Google, guess what they, and their schoolfriends, will discover regarding their mother?
There are other, forthcoming, actions that have been notified to NB but listening is obviously not his strongest suit!
This, I hope, is my final post on the subject, whilst I appreciate 'you lot' will want to gossip I have given my word to the administrators not to turn the forum in to a battlefield regarding this, I didn't bring it here, he/she did, and I've merely been setting the record straight.
(Do you want to tell the men who read the rubbish on this forum how you gave advise to a American guy who was gong into the ' fsu introduction' game, that the first thing he should be thinking of is, apartments, so " They can be bedded down on their first night, even if It's just on their own :)" )
If you are addressing me then I have no recollection of ever making such a staement, please provide the evidence that I said this and if I did say it then I will need to admit it, until such evidence in provided I'll call you a liar.
(Do you remember that statement of yours, marty ( I'm on the pay roll of the dating agencies ) colman? )
If you addressing me then I never have been, nor have I ever claimed to be, on the payroll of any dating agency, please provide evidence to the contrary you fake and liar.
(What about this statement,
" I receive 3-5% commission for every referral of airline fights")
If you are addressing me then, nope, I don't ever recall saying this either and it would have been innacurate for me to say such a thing as airlines either pay a fixed monetary amount or arounf !% to 2% commission. Please provide the evidence that I said this and if I did say it then I will need to admit it, until such evidence in provided I'll call you a liar.
(In the same email, ONCE AGAIN, marty told the guy he was married to a Russian lady and was not looking.
I remember you mentioned, ONCE AGAIN, all your 19 trips into the FSU countries and how you have worked in many, many countries around the world. )
If he is addressing me then over the years I have emailed only, perhaps, with 4 or 5 other forum members and NONE of them are/were American so yet another lie from the fake and liar Craig Sutton.
Can any one person here ever recall me claiming that I was married to a RUSSIAN lady?
I have never claimed to work in, quote, "many, many" countries, I have worked in a number of countries of which the most phucked up was, and needed foreigners to come in to sort out their phuck up, ..... Australia!!!
Danny likes giving little Thai boys sponge baths. How many little boys have your serviced this week danny and do you floss to remove their smegma from your mouth?
I like watching the gay twins Craig/Danny who use other peoples names for their names here. I bet you two need a crow bar to remove each other lips from one anothers ass.
I stand to correct myself ...... there was a yank I emailed with from this forum, or rather there was a yank that spammed me with his bullshit emails ..... billgreen54.
So either Craggy Sutton is a liar or Billy Green is a liar!
I remember all this drivel from the Forum's Juveniles when I first joined back in 2007. !
I pity the genuine newcomer who really could do with our help; he'll not stick around here for long. Who could rely on advice on such an important issue as finding a life partner from a foreign country from this motley crew ? !
I remember as a child running home to my mummy after infant's school and crying, because a boy had called me names all day long and said untrue things about me. My mum told me to return to school the next day and simply ignore the boy, don't even acknowledge he is even at school anymore, she told me. I did as she said, and this boy got bored of my non reaction to him and moved on to someone else. As an adult I've learnt that all mothers tell their children this. Seems some little boys on this Forum didn't listen to their mummy's !!!!!
So now Crazy Craig has identified the individual, Bill Green, who is the ‘engine’ powering CC’s repeated and constant attacking of me things are falling in to place:
The idea of such as forum as this, as is stated at the top of this webpage, it is a place for men to get questions answered and to share experiences and if one clicks on the ‘About’ button one will read that commercial posting on this forum is not allowed.
However what was going on in the circumstance of member ‘billgreen54’ he was utilising this forum only to promote his self-employed business interests in Nikolaev, he had collated members, including my, email addresses and regularly spammed us with business promotions and other bullshit.
If one would care to Google for “Nikolaev billgreen54” one will realise how much time and effort Bill Green has utilised copying and pasting his promotion bullshit on all sorts of free sites over the web but I had genuinely tried to help the guy making suggestions that he register his own domain, build a website, add some affiliate links such as airline links, similar to as I have done with my business and my business, as others are aware, has absolutely nothing to do with FSU dating, and develop his business in a recognised and respectable manner, my suggestions fell on deaf ears!
Then, one day last summer, if I recall correctly it was a Sunday morning, many of us arrived to the forum to realise that Bill Green had spammed the forum with his bullshit, if I recall correctly he had started nine new threads, talking a load of nonsense, within something like a 30 minutes timeframe, thus obviously copied & pasted writings that had been pre-prepared, nasfan, for one, will recall this because he commented regarding it at the time, and at the same time as spamming the forum Bill Green was contacting members by email or PM talking more bullshit but making himself available to speak with us via Skype but we would need to pay to him a minimum of $30 to speak with him, to listen to his bullshit, for 30 minutes or $50 for one hour, furthermore he was trying to sell to us tourism trips in Nikolaev, evenings out etc. etc. etc. and all with quoted $$$ prices.
Bill Green was not only spoiling this forum for other members but he was breaking forum rules by commercially advertising, I posted complaint that he was commercially advertising, forum Admin picked up on it and Bill Green chose to leave the forum in disgrace.
To bring this up to date, and Bill Green liked to give the impression that he was better than this, he has been feeding information to Crazy Craig to, obviously, take his revenge on me. So what if I did make mention of a commission from flight bookings, via website affiliate links, it was pertinent to my aviation business website, fiancé.com, on this very forum, have affiliate links such as flower delivery and Ads by Google, it’s modern day business practice and there is nothing underhand about it!
And as for CC’s claim that that I said to a newbie about prioritising to find an apartment to bed down in or whatever, I have no idea what that is about but I’m guessing that something I may have once wrote is being quoted out of context however if there is any suggestion that I have encouraged “sex tourism” then he is way out of line.
Anyway, I’m bored with the kiddies now, Nobby, DD, Billy ‘No Mates’ Green and indeed CC.
I appreciate it is difficult to implant an outsider thought in to the space between your ears but in the autumn (fall) of 2009 I relocated to the quaint, but shitty, town of Hemel Hempstead.