Double bassing
• verb To have sex from behind fiddling with the lady's left nipple with your left hand and her clematis with your right - a position similar to the one adopted when playing the double bass, although the sound is completely different.
Methinks the posts I put on here which have been plagerised from the hilarous Rogers Profanosaurus will be lost on our American and Australian cousins.
Their humour education consisted of oh so unfunny exponents of PC humour such as Cosby and that guy with the crocodile.
I feel sorry that they can't appreciate such gems as:-
Fire one accross the bows v. A Navel engagement whereby the Pirate of mens' pants withdraws from the battle zone just before the egg-white cannon (qv) shoots its payload.
And:-
Vinegar strokes n. male The final, climactic stages of intercourse or masturbation. As in: "Would you believe it? The phone rang just as I was getting onto the vinegar strokes". From the similar facial expressions achieved when sipping vinegar.
I have been talking to Shaz444 about this lady as she is also listed on my site. When We spoke to the lady she told us she wasn't interested in him. Her profile with that she wrote on my site has her max age set to 45.. Aweb site saids 60... Our site show a good level of english and this is confirm by my staff. Aweb site said she has a low level of English.
As people have already posted Aweb makes money for sending/translation/receiving letters. ... My agents make money for receiving letters only. The reason for this is to remove the temptation of using false information on profile and "spaming" clients with letters in hopes of making more money. MONEY=Problems.
So Aweb has made a lot of money on another client. This is the norm for Aweb.
The second issue is. Was Elena interested in Shaz444.. Is she a scammer? 7 Months of writing an they never meet. Request for marriage prior to meeting. Are both things that make the ladies nervous. My advice as stated on my site is never fall in love with a photo and to keep it just friend until you meet. It is this advice that prevents situations such as this.
I can't read Elena mind so I don't know what her level of interest was. I don't know if she was writing the letter or Aweb was. I do konw that she does not with to write him letter though my site and did not want to have a video chat with him. It could be the fact that if a lady said No to my site we say thank you. If a lady said No though a AWEB agent the agent might insist or pay her to write/chat.. I don't know the facts in this case. I can only state how the lady reacts at my office.
Should I blacklist this lady from my agency? She did not profit from the relationship. No request for money or gifts.. She did invite the men to meet in person. Like so many other ladies and Men do daily.
If I were to blacklist her for inviting a men to visit, I would have to blacklist just about every men who ask a lady to meet in person.
I am still looking for any proof that Elena was involved in a scam and not a failed attempt of a relationship though Aweb site. Also Helen explanation showed a concern that Elena might have had and it would be a legit one.
From your description and what the OP has posted, I'd say leave her on the site. I agree, seven months of correspondence is not right. If both are seriously interested in each other and both are serious about their search, a visit to see her should have happened by now.
And, if it is true that he made a marriage proposal without ever meeting her in person, then I would say to any woman, run away from this man. That is just not right. And if he sent her gifts or whatever without meeting her, then that also is not right, even if she likes the offerings.
We men on this end are instructed of the basic rules of engagement (of international dating) and how to detect and what to do if a scammer lady is found.
And I would expect that the women are also instructed on the rules of engagement and what to do and how to act.
It is true regarding the marriage because Shaz talked of it in his post(s) and even itemised the cost of the marriage paperwork he wasted money on.
But it does seem that somebody, writing leters to him, was leading him on, whether that was the lady or an Anastasia employee ..... well I know where I'd place my bet on.
But Shaz was an accident waiting to happen, he was merrily posting away here without even acknowledging what others were saying to him and he invested a lot of time, money and emotions with a scam dating service (Anastasia) without doing some simple background checks during the process.
funny: "My agents make money for receiving letters only..."
so the more letters they recieve the more money they make. to recieve more leters one need to write more:)
olga's point is valid. paying per letter, there is always opportunity for scam. Wether it is send/receive or send only.
I have been to kherson and can vouch for his agency. I have no problems with him or his agency.
that being said, I'm not sure how he control dishonesty in his affiliate agencies. i think its impossible.
also, does anybody really know how fiance.com reimburses its agencies. I think, to be fair,if Olga, you want to critize agencies like khersongirls you should be transparent about how your agencies get paid.
certainly if an agency from nikolaev has a lot of 'photo models' that are generating a lot of interest then they will be compensated accordingly. the fact that its a membership system doesn't mean an agency doesn't have a portfolio of scammers.
i've been to nikolaev. i've been to the offices of some of these agencies. i've seen the typing factories. frankly its a scary site. and they didn't even try to hide it from me.
what does fiance.com do to prevent scamming?
having a membership based site. is a good start. and is definitely in the right direction. but don't stop there. you could do more if you really wanted to.
Gecko, I our philosophy, and I have said it here before many times, ladies must pay to agencies for services, for helping them to navigate internet, to advertise them, make their profile attractive, help with translations, and so on... so we cannot close access for agencies right now , as there are still many-many ladies use agency. We just monitor what they do, and close access if they do not do what we require. Otherwise there are many Ladies with private email register everyday. They are getting computer, they are getting better with using internet. You will not see glamour photos, you will see real ladies. We do our part on verifying them and monitoring too, helping our men members.
Olga, your work is appreciated. truly. One thing I would recommend is the releasing of phone numbers after 5 exchanges of information. I think this would be a normal course of events in a normal situation.
Kevin, your work at khersongirls is also appreciated. I didn't find my wife with you but i never felt i was being duped either. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Research and learn all you can before you do anything. Plenty of info out there so there are no excuses to be scammed. You will spot the scammers right from the getgo. Check out several sites. Again, do your homework. All the sites will have a scammers, some more than others. But now, you know what to look for.
I joined elenasmodels.com and low and behold, my first contact was a scam. I contacted elenas and she was removed in 30 mins. They thanked me too for reporting her. Please don't tell me you love me and crap like that in the second letter! In fact, don't tell anything like that until AFTER we meet. Intimate letters are a sign of scammers!
After a few weeks, I met a woman fom Ukraine. After reading her profile, it was evident she was a real person. No fancy pictures, profile written in broken English, age was within peramitters that it should be, and so on. First contact was an expression of interest and general info for both of us. From there we told each other what we are looking for. A couple of weeks go by and Mothers day was approaching. I asked for her address and she gave it freely. Next letter I asked for her phone # and again no problem. Had flowers delivered to her and the flower service contacted me to inform me she was actually at the address and phone #. I had asked them to do this. In NONE of our letters did we ever get intimate or extremely personal. You can't and shouldn't do that until you meet in person. Even then, be a gentleman. She never asked for money, gifts or anything. I offered to pay for her internet cafe time since it was costing her time and money. She accepted that, but again, I offered, not her asking.
We met after five months of writing and phone calls. She had to travel 13 hours by train to Kiev. I paid for the fare. Make them put out some effort to meet you. We met and she was more beautiful than the photos she had sent me. 12 wonderful days together, getting to know each other even though I speak no Russian and she speaks little English. We both knew that all was good between us. I proposed before leaving and she accepted. Now working on the K-1 visa for her and her daughter.
Things to remember:
If it seems to good to be true, it is
Age difference, be realistic guys
Asking for money or gifts
Intimate letters, especially right off the bat
Report potential scammers and the agency does nothing
Their Eglish is better than yours
Vague answers to your question or no answer at all
Won't give address or phone #
Check where there IM is coming from
So that's it then... elenasmodels.com is where dreams are made.
Just one thing...what happened to the Ukrainian woman you met after a few weeks?
Was this the same one you met after five months.