Another journey into Ukraine with much hope and many questions to be answered.
Finally booked my flights 1.5 weeks before leaving because of unsureness about where I am leaving from in ukraine for a vacation in egypt( more later on that). After a 23 hours of running around I finally arrived in odessa. Not liking to change 4 cities to get to destination and the layovers that come with it but what do you do at last second? No, I didn't get setup on any flights that has happened to another on here(???), just a normal guy trying to keep to myself. But as a guy, you certainly notice ALL the hot looking women on flights...I know I do!!!!
So here is my usual flight story, we ALL have one!!! On flight to Frankfurt from Chicago, I could't help looking at a brunette seated in my row in center section(if you know 777's).
I noticed her walking looking for her seat and as we all do for her to sit next to you. Well. wouldn't you know it she was 2 seats from me.....with a rather large german women in between us...so she kind disappeared from my view!!! ;-))) With my perhiphal vision I noticed her passport was romanian.....good something I can use for the 'line' AND a rather large diamond wedding band on ring finger.......More than half way during flight the german wome finally got up to go to restroom...I got up let her leave and voila....I had my chance...my first line no reaction....maybe sleeping...tried a couple minutes later and she answered my question, yes she was romanian and how did I know?? AAAhhhhh, just guessed ( I lied)...you look romanian!!, a few minutes into conversation comes back german women...well end of that conversation.....
After leaving plane and trying to look for where to go, lo and behold the romanian girl lost like me.
Apparently we both had 4 hours layover....hmmmmmmm I thought would you like to have some coffee or juice....she agreed, we had a really nice chat, she told me she was a folk singer and has a CD coming out soon and a facebook page of her...I though, wow.....maybe I should get an autograph!!!
We exchanged contact info and left for out flights.....sure made that layover disappear.
hmmmmm? I wonder who he means? I did not get autograph from beautiful actress. Autograph seekers have no class. Or it shows a sign of inferiority. btw - I never followed up with any of the visa hunters I was introduced to... But you are smoooooooooth!
LOL Julian...knew I would catch your attention. No actress though....just a sweet social girl that I/we had the chance to chat with, made mistake though, she is on youtube( Marginean Anca
w/mid init Maria)not on facebook...she sings but no good close ups.
Not smooth though, just have some social skills.
On my flight from Kiev to Odessa I sat next to a blonde bombshell that every guy walked by to check out...I never said a word to her other than a quick smile when she elbowed me when she put her jacket back on...don't know why, just never had the interest....maybe cause she looked high maintenance???
Had a walk in Odessa today, do not see the doom and gloom as others have said about kiev. Restaurants seem busy and shops have people in them and do not see vacated shops....but maybe just my memory is off. I have never figured out even in good times how these people can fill up shops and restaurants with the incomes they have. The rates today were at 8.33 for usd. it was at same at kiev airport, terminal A yesterday.
Met with the gf, if you remember from before, we have taken it slow and I have finally met her daughter...and as a bonus met her brother also. It was always in the back of my mind what was real or not...did she really have a daughter?/ was she really married? Questions that get answered in time. Guess that makes things harder, not only did you have to find a girl that you can share your life together but one that everything she says is true.
Back at home now and thought I would finish wrting about what I experienced. Lot has happened in last few weeks.
Spent a couple days walking around odessa city center. The gf worked every day before our holiday, so gave me a chane to visit my friends restaurant. What a shock!!! A guess change is enevitable, gone are the waitresses I knew ;((, my close friend was moved to another restaurant, the other guys I hung with I never saw, it remined me of starting over again, I guess that happens in life, the minute you get comfortable a curve is thrown at you. So I only spent short time at restaurant and spent time at small cafes on my path, visited city garden park and one above the harbor. Just like to watch people walk by while listening to my ipod. What happens quite often is I see a guy with 2 girls walking with him, most times I know it is foreign guy(older) with a very pretty girl and the other girl doing much of the talking....just think it is funny...I have been in that boat at one time.
My very late nights were spent at the puter watching my angels baseball game, hard to sleep while game was on, I know bad habits die hard besides on our side trip...no puter'ing.
On day of trip to Egypt, met the gf at the airport, didn't really know much other than what hotel and being at airport in morning. She arranged entire trip with a travel agent..it was a tour company
so flight was chartered. Couldn't believe the amount of people there for flight 150-200, it was standing room only......what economic crisis??? a great majority were ukrainian, some russians and little ole me..the american........still had to laugh at the flight instructions being in russian and english( just for me). It was about a 3 hour flight. I did lots of reading on tripadvisor about do's and don'ts in egypt. I didn't need a visa unless I was leaving sinai area. My only concern was at airport the officals trying to cooerce you into getting a visa. I knew that the gf needed one at cost of $15. I wanted to take a day trip to Cairo or Luxor but leaving at 4:30 and returning at 23:00 scared off the gf.....other than the boat cruise, I figured is was relaxing seaside or at pool.
At Sham airport, things went smoothly, no problems at all. Paid an extra $5 to make visa for girl quicker( total $20), I was told somewhere, the visa stamps may make it easier(???) to get a visa for visiting other countries.
Arranged shuttle took us to our destination Hilton Waterfalls...a 5 star...got to admit a nice hotel...only about 5-6 people were in our van. We got all-inclusive, so we were able to eat when we wanted( at available times), nice clean room with view of sea, all buildings 2 story. I asked about an upgrade but at cost of $25 a night...not much better than what we had already. I food was pretty tasty, lot of selection,
what went through my mind was the dreaded pharoh's revenge. I did notice as the days went by I was becoming lets say...less healthy, must be in the water or something. I had many warn me about the digestive problems many encounter. There IS a reason for muliple pharmacy's on every block.
As I stated in the beginning on this thread, this trip was supposed to clarify our relationship,
whether it will develop further or not. We all have our expectations on where we feel how things should proceed and I mean in both regards.
Lots of time was spent laying out by the pools( nice layout) with waterfalls cascading down from hotel lobby area building. Hotel is built on a mountain slope going down to sea, so lots of steps everywhere. I think there were four pools, the beach area and many places to lay out in sun. All drinks were free for us but hard drinks were watered down and ALL tasted the same. So I drank only a few beers, mostly juices and soda. Should have brought my own spirits!!!! WE layed out in the morning and afternoon, ate couple times a day and always had that afternoon nap. In middle of trip had our first 'fight' if you call it that getting the silent treatment for a little more than a day.
I guess I said something to her that struck a nerve, boy talk about being upset...I was literally invisible to her....even in our room...not ONE word....
Well so much for romantic cruises!!!! Finally we talked...but not about what happened...only to enjoy the time we had left, which we finally went to naama bay area. Lots of shops and eateries. Nice beach area, should have came here more often. Kind of what you call the "hot spot". Didn't end up here in the nighclubs since we decided to have more realxing time than running around.
My only regret was not being able to know for sure where our relationship is going, we talked and talked and it was not what I wanted to hear. On day of our flight back to odessa, I thought about whether I would tell her that I wanted to take some time away to think about what I wanted from her and if we are able to become closer. A really hard decision since I really care for her. Only time will see if we drift apart or not. I do believe that if you are meant for each other it will happen.
beemer - thanks for checking back -- hang in there -- only you know the situation
Hopefully tonight my Phillies will tie up the series and go on to take revenge for Anaheim, I mean LA Angels. I hate the Yankees!
when people are in love. a vacation should be a very romantic and happy time. it doesn't sound like it was for you. its sad. and it doesn't sound like she wanted to talk about the future. thats not a good sign. if you take away the occasional sex, is this the girl you want to spend the rest of your life with?
Beemer I do not know if not talking is a problem with all of those women. In the 10 months my wife has been here we have had 5 plus or minus such instances. The first two she would not talk as you said for a day or two. The third I told her we must talk, we talked things out but it was still the next day before she was over it.
But if you cannot say all that is on your mind in a sentence and a half she does not want to hear it and will not listen.
The last instance was on Sept 20. After which we talked cordially every day on the phone (I was out of town that week) and Wednesday there was a problem with the hot water heater so I bought a new heater and drove home that night I arrived home at 10 pm, she set food on the table and announced she was going to bed. I thought that was the coldest she had ever been. I installed the heater and left again at 3 AM.
I am not positive but it appears that she flew almost 300 miles to a small town in Nebraska that Wednessday after 2 PM and when I called after 6 PM and told her I was coming home she flew back planned or not so I would not miss her.
Friday morning she called and had me call the school and tell them her son was sick and would not ride the bus. I returned home that afternoon and she, her son, and all their belongings were gone. I have seen or heard nothing since other than the bank said she stopped there 2 weeks later and closed out a joint account with a very insignificant amount of money in it.
She turned her cell phone off and left no note. I hope she finds what she is looking for. But it seems communication would be a huge asset to her and maybe some more of the FSU ladies.
Gecko.....yes if people are in love you are correct but I never said anything about us being in love, that word is reserved for way down the road. That word is used waaaaay too much here.
Hi Oz, geez, I thought you were doing well with your wife and son. I wonder if that small town in Nebraska has anything to do with sudden change of heart.
In my situation, I had no idea what was going on, it had never happened before. We always talked...about almost anything you can think of, from politics to movies to cultures to kids to
the universe. Of course, we disagreed on many definitons or our views on things( she is very pro Russia, like many in ukraine) in fact we watching TV on an eglish speaking station and started talking about generations. I told her a generation is appox 20 years like difference between parents and kids and she was adamant that a generation is 5 years after thinking for years it was 10 years,
well I just told her it was a matter of how you interpret things. No way was I going say...your wrong!!!!!!!! One thing is funny, I don't know if this is for many FSU girls but our communication when writing is a lot better than in person. So much that since I was being ignored, I wrote her a small note saying what is wrong, we have to talk. It actually broke the ice as strange as it seems. It is much easier to put things on paper than to say in person sometimes. As it turned out, the problem was she thought I was acting like I owned her (???) since I paid for holiday and that is why she was upset. Go figure.
Yes we were doing real well until she and the son went to Ukraine for the summer. I sent a very warm loving lady to Ukraine. When she returned she seemed a different person - hardly any eye contact, and all I heard was don't touch, don't talk.
The Sunday night before she left she gave me a little peck of a kiss, told me good night get on my own side of the bed. I told her if she did not want me close to her maybe it would be better for her to return to Ukraine. I am guessing that was the reason and rather than talk she just decided to run with someone off of one of her forums.
She did not tell me she went to the little town in Nebraska, I gathered that from some other things I saw.
That may be a good idea to write to them Beemer. I too notice my wife was friendly on the phone when she was not in person. Who knows, I guess we are supposed to but if they do not tell us we just have to use our imagination.
It seems to take little to set off the women in our lives. I had an episode (several actually) much like Beemers when I took my lady to Turkey this summer.
We also stayed at an "all inclusive" place and that meant that supper was available until 9:00 pm SHARP. That means if you got there at 9:01 you were not likeley to get anything somehow you were quicker than the people taking it down. Further - after 8:30 there were no forks available (?!?!?!) - so certainly anything you took late had better be something you could eat with a spoon.
We were shopping at the local bazzare and time got away from us. It was soon 8:45 and we were both hungry. Fortunately we were only a block or two from the hotel so naturally we began walking back at a quick pace. After about half a block not to slow my natural fast-walking pace and walked slightly faster than she did. By the time I we reached the dining area I was maybe 30 feet ahead of her. I know it wasn't the most polite thing in the world - but it didn't seem that terrible.
When we got there we quicky grabbed what we wanted - fortunately the wait-staff was a little slow that day and I grabbed clean forks from another table. But she didn't sit with me. I put my things at one table and she put hers at another, and sat alone.
She wouldn't speak to me for the next day (plus). When I asked her what was bothering her she told me I "abandoned her on the streets of Turkey." I mentioned that I had only been a few feet ahead of her and that was FAR from being abandoned. She said "what if something had happened to me? You never would have known?" Again I mentioned that I was only a few feet ahead and I DID look back during that brief time make sure that se was right there. She continued to claim that I found dinner more important than her and that I hed left her alone on the streets of Turkey.
There were other similar incidents that occured on that trip - because this forum is populated by useless trolls I won't go into great detail - but the incidents were similar to the incidents that Beemer described.
But now returning home - she tells me she loves me and wants to marry me and that all couples quarrel and that I shouldn't think poorly of her for it.
Oz, do you think she is still in US or actually went back to Ukraine?
It does seem she met someone in US, you speak of 'her forums'......not sure why would she go to some small town in Nebraska and not tell you?
Best you find out early in marriage if it will not work out.
Maybe we should just learn to read minds!!! works for me!!!
Second time I read about something like Oz's situation. I don't remember where the other situation was. Maybe it was in this forum. The woman had talked with other Ukrainians. What is the age difference between you, Oz?
I am pretty sure she is still in the States. I am 54 and she is 32. I do not know if going to the small town is relevant or not. She chose her course. I do not know where to look for her and will not try. If she does not want to be here I am not going to try to drag her back. I had some great times with her and miss her. She left the house spotless and cooked a refrigerator full of food for me before she left. She was careful to take her things and leave mine. She has not done anything malicious to me. I called her brother a week later and he said she is ok. That was my first and primary concern. I hope her boy can get adjusted to wherever he is in school. She returned from Ukraine 2 weeks after school started, he was in school 3 weeks before she left so it will be difficult for him to complete his school year with so much time missed.
My first impression when I first read this was, she probably wants another child and it was not in your plans. My second impression was you may have not treated her boy right. I can see that this is probably not the case. My third impression was she is probably young (age 26 or younger). Again, this is not the case.
Perhaps, I am looking for justification of the age difference of my gf and me. My gf is 34 and I'm 52. My story is in the "Cost of Passport" thread. I have not heard from her. We have talked of another child. We both want another. As Colin described, at this age her biological clock goes into overdrive, although we both already have one.
Her green card is probably temporary for one or two years, if she has one yet. A lawyer told me that if you are still married at the time it expires, it becomes permanent. I wonder how that works. Will she then get deported?
I've found that if they refuse to talk (women in general) then they have already made up their minds and have their agenda straightened out.
I'd be very suspicious about taking a plane 300 miles back just to make sure you're none the wiser as to her whereabouts on the day.
Just my opinion
Although I still haven't heard from her, that's a bit comforting. My gf did say she will talk to me when she got back. I never suspected anything was wrong, if there was. In the last week that I talked with her, I missed a day in calling her. She got on my case. She was worried and asked if there was another woman, and I said no. I asked her if there was another man, and she said no.
She also laughed when I remembered her mother's birthday was coming up. Laughed because she was not expecting that I would remember. Also, in that last week, there was a bad connection. I could hear her, but she could not hear me. She called my name (or the nickname only she, calls me) several times, as if I was a block away.