1st these girls don't speak English.
2nd they want you to communicate thru interpreter service not any other method.
3rd these girls make you come all the way to their country.
4th don't know in the end what their decision is.
If you want to meet white girls,hot & speak English, just go to New York city or come to Toronto & go to the subway & there will be plenty long legged mini skirts sitting in front of YOU!!!
You are correct about agency crap being a waste of money and they are all the same.
Has any bloke here who's travelled over to FSU countries, met a woman or 2 that has nothing to do with the crap- rip off agencies?
I have and there is a big difference in attitudes towards you. This is what I found anyway.
I can only speak from personal experience having attended a few Romance Socials - they were the best experiences I have ever had - and to my knowledge ,most men attending that I met had the same experience.
The losers were generally those who expected the women to fall at their feet - obligated to do that, as the men had come so far to meet them. (Hint - women don't fall at your feet in Ukraine or Russia. Rational men should know that.)
At every Romance Social I have ever attended there were ALWAYS a few very misfit guys - and these guys were obvious from the outset - I have met a few "Elvis-impersonators" who seemed to think that that style would appeal the Eastern European ladies - right down to either wearing black or white jumpsuits with sequins, studded leather belts and Elvis style haircuts. The other men at the Romance Socials quietly snickered at these guys - as did the Ukrainian women. These men tended to be the most vocal naysayers when the Romance Social was over - "I came 5,000 miles and all the women were CRAP!!!".
There always seem to be a couple if pseudo-intellectuals (I am guessing their friends regard them as "know it alls"). These are the men who spend all of their time reciting the history of the former Soviet Union, and particularly of the city that we happen to be involved in - even to the translators, the natives of these cities. They will generally also lecture on the food that we are eating, the type and quality and whether such food would have been acceptable to their mothers or at some favorite restaurant back home. Another word to describe these men might be "self important bores". They tend to strike out as well - and I'm betting that they do so in their home countries as well. Women in Eastern Europe don't suffer self-important bores gladly.
There are typically a few evangelical religious types who want a girl who is full-gospel believing. These men tend to do best with women who speak no English whatsoever as the men are not aware that the glazed over look in their eyes have less to do with the fact that everything is coming through a translator, than the fact that they are completely bored with the religious proselytizing. These girls are usually Russian Orthodox and have had little exposure to evangelical scripture, but they nod their heads at appropriate times, making the men think that they are really into it.
There ARE men who do very poorly at Romance Socials - but typically there is a very obvious reason for it right from the start. "Normal" men can do great.
And the experiences that I have had have easily been worth TEN TIMES the amount that the event cost me.
There are also a lot of men who simply lack the intelligence to relate to a woman of a different culture. (I bet shaz444 is one of those.) They have grown frustrated by the nonresponse they have recieved from local girls and often stumble upon Romance Social websites. Lacking the neccessary funds, most of these guys will simply knock the Romance Social concept as "too good to be true". Or as in Aesops famous fable "The Fox and the Grapes", the fox unable to GET the grapes, declares that they must be sour anyway.
On the rare occasion that these men are able to secure the funds and DO take the trip, they don't tend to find the women that appeal to them most. Certainly they are bowled over by the youth and shapeliness of the Eastern European women - but they are also looking for familiar simple minded girls that they can easily relate to
I know one man who considered attemding a ROmance Social but ultimately decided that meeting a Ukrainian girl was not for him. The reason? He didn't want to have to explain things like "The Simpsons" and Homer's familiar expression "Doh!!!". (I am not making this up.) He wanted a girl who fit comfortably into his simple American life without any fuss or bother.
I did not meet my wife in a social, but I met a few wonderful girls when I attended one such trip. The fact that I could speak Russian made me a star with most girls, reason I could relate at a different level and have an unforgettable time.
I also agree that this foreign relationship thing is not for everybody. It requires hard work (more than a normal marriage) and a wide open mind. The cultural differences alone make for a challenge almost everyday. For me, anything more common would be boring :-)
1st these girls don't speak English. - A good percentage of them do.
2nd they want you to communicate thru interpreter service not any other method. - A good percentage of them don't.
3rd these girls make you come all the way to their country. So what? That's part of the attraction.
4th don't know in the end what their decision is. Prolly to scared of you to tell you.
Last time I looked the New York subway had zero percent "white girls,hot & speak English" Maybe that was a different New York...
Toronto? Would know really...prolly find some white girls there... Just as white as the ones in FSU.
There are women there of all ages from 18 to easily 50 (maybe a few older than that though I admit I have not looked for them).
Beyond meeting women? Well since the Romance Social is all about meeting women that is why most guys go. But there is also something to be said about the camaraderie the men establish between themselves. As you might know, most hotels in the former Soviet Union offer breakfast with the nights lodging. And its a great experience to me the other guys, and share experiences from the night before over breakfast. Some of us have been to the FSU a few times and can give pointers as to what to do and what not to do. The great thing is you are not alone - and by the end of the Romance Social it is quite possible to have made some good friendships with other men who are searching as well.
At the most recent Romance Social I met a guy from Denmark who has been particularly successful in his business - and its a business I am interested in getting into as well. The Romance Social event lasted 8 days - so most of the guy went home after that period. He and I stayed on for about three weeks and on those rare occasions when we didn't have dates - we'd hit the bars and the discos together acting as each others wing man.
He was actually able to stay quite a bit longer in Ukraine than I was as I had to get back to the US. He and I are still in regular contact as we work on that business thing (you'll forgive me for not being real specific here). We both met wonderful women and one or both of us might be getting serious soon. And if not - maybe we will hit another Romance Social at the same time sometime in the future.
Who gives a sh1t about romance socials? :) I've just bought myself a season ticket on the Toronto subway, winter season, so I want to hear more about the ladies that ride the subway in the depths of winter wearing mini skirts!
Hey Smart Martin, guess what I am doing - riding the subway !!!! all the way some times 6-7 trips on the same line - ha ha ha - I LOVE IT, blondes sitting in front of you with legs in high heels -gosh its dream come true already!!! You know what I mean, now I just need to find a job in Downtown. Make sure you come in spring/summer/automn coz winter thay are covered ! Who cares about new york - thats a ghetto!! Its Toronto !!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually there is no meal. There are generally two ways a Romance Social is conducted and most recently in Kiev and Poltava - AFA did one of each.
In Kiev all of the men who were taking part in the full Romance Tour (as opposed to just going to the Romance Social Event itself like I did) stayed at the Hotel Rus - I arranged to stay at the same hotel. At (I think) 4:00 we met in the lobby and were taken to a local disco, in this case it was "Sorry Babushka" and by the time we had gotten there the ladies were already there and seated at the tables. When it was time the men walked in - to the watching eyes of some 200(?). Champaign and little snacks were arranged and I must admit that I, similarly to a lot of the guys, needed to get just a little Champaign in me in order to feel comfortable. I headed for the bar as did the other guys, an had some of the provided Champaign. A few of the ladies were standing near the bar - as well as the interpreters, who offered to help, of course, with any introductions. Then the men began approaching the table filled with all the lovely waiting ladies. Let me tell you, this was like no singles-bar experience you have ever had. All of the lady's eyes were on all of the men - and all a man had to do was LOOK at a table to suddenly get all four of the ladies seated to smile and beckon him to come over.
I had a mobile phone along, and some paper and was able to get contact information from several wonderful ladies. There was later a dance contest -which I happen to win - with a lovely lady who asked me to dance. We received another bottle of Champaign and some candies. There was really no formal arrangement regarding who you would speak to of for how long. But most of the men had a wonderful time, and there were very few exceptions to that.
In Poltava it was set up similarly but there AFA had us staying at a hotel (where they treated us like kings) and the disco was part of the same complex. At the appointed time the men went to the disco which was set up very nicely with many different types of food and Champaign - the ladies waited outside until all the men were ready inside (many of us selected a table to sit at - some mulled around). Then the ladies came in, incredibly beautiful ladies, whom we had a chance to meet. Again there was dancing and contests much like in Kiev. In Poltava there were also two separate rooms, one with a couple of pool tables and another where apparently it was quieter so that private conversation could take place. I never actually made it to either of those rooms as I was quite occupied with the ladies present.
As my other Romance Socials were - it was an incredible time and well worth much more than it cost.
I was VERY happy with the way AFA set it up and very happy with the beautiful available and very attentive girls there. The whole thing was great. I only wish that I had signed up for a Romance Tour that included THREE Socials. Unfortunately this even only had two.
I agree no respectable beautiful women will throw herself to Tom,Dick & Harry. This is just another 1 night stand as in going to clubbing, no difference. Its only for losers who can't get girls in their hometown need to come to socials to get hooked up.
I'm about 99% sure that Lockland is someone else using an alternative alias. In any event it always amazing that people like him are experts on things they have never done or experienced. Far be it from me to insist that my experience uniquely qualifies me to give an assessment on these things, having attended three sets myself. I defer to Lockland who clearly understands things he has no clue about.
(What a clown.)
Anyway to Batman - as a matter of fact I most recently attended the Romance Social is Kie and Poltava in mid February of this year (2010). And while the ladies were wonderful and loverly in both cities - I maust admit that those in Poltava were a cut above. Poltava IS a little more off the beaten path than Kiev is and the ladies there certainly did seem very interested in meeting a foreign man. Maybe the quality of the women in Kiev was a little less than I had experienced previously. But the women in Poltava were ceertainly right up there.
Other Romance Socials I attended were in Donestsk and Mariupol in 2007 and in Odessa in 2003.
BEFORE the actual Socials themselves - I had a chance to talk with many if the men whoo would be attending. QUite honestly, even having paid ofr the trip, they seemed pretty sceptical about having made the right decision. But AFTER the Romance Socials, MOST of the men were absolutely astounded by the experience and how incredible it was. Several men asked openly why there were more men in attendence - and "Why would any single man NOT want to do this?" They were blown away by the experience.
Oh, of course, there were a few men wh didn't do so well and were frustrated.
But the majority of us are quite pleased that misinformed know-it-alls like Lockland seem to be so sure that these events are a waste of time. It means more opportunity for those of us who know better.
dansing: It IS a little nerve wracking to be a man attending one of these things. I am not used to being the center of attention (one of 15 guys) in a room full of 200 women. Like most men - I can eneter a singles bar in the US and go completely unnoticed. That is not the case at a Romance Social -the women are all there for only one reason and that is to meet YOU.
And they seem to compete with one another for your attention. Its a great feeling.
One last comment for Lockland, who said
"I agree no respectable beautiful women will throw herself to Tom,Dick & Harry. This is just another 1 night stand as in going to clubbing, no difference. Its only for losers who can't get girls in their hometown need to come to socials to get hooked up. "
Lockland - if you do so well with the ladies in your hometown - why are you here?
Looking for an FSU lady is certainly much more time consuming and expensive than finding a hometown lady - especially after you get past the initial letter writing phase.
SO why are you looking for a foreign woman Stud-Boy?
Actually (and here's where I prove that I am not an AFA employee) my friend from Denmark - the guy I met on this trip who was able to stay for a few weeks longer than I could - he made his way down to Odessan Kherson and Nikolaev to attend AFAs Romance Social there as well. He was as ahppy with the experience in Kiev and Poltava as I was (happier of course with Poltava of the two) but was NOT happy with way AFA conducted the Socials in Odessa and Nikolaev. He said that the quality of the women was not as high - and worse the room was not darkened and the misic was not condusive to a romanitic setting.
Kherson, he said, was a lot better and he rated that Romance Social, the disco where it was held, and all of the conditons to be as good as the experience in Poltoav had been.
My point here is that even with AFA and the same "hosts" conducting the Romance Social itself the consitions can vary widely.
We are BOTH still 100% behind the Romance Social concept - but some are better than others.
Unfortuantely neither of us has been to an Anastasia Romance Social in any city. We were aware of Ananstasia's schedule and my friend briefly considered attending A Social with them is one of those same cities (Kherson or Nikolaev) but things could not be worked out between he and the US administration - besides that Anastasis.
I have a friend from FLorida who met his now-wife through an Anastasia Romance Tour in Odessa in 2006 - but that was quite a while ago.
I am considering trying an Amastasia Roamnce TOur in September of this year - but won't know anything about them first hand until then.
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