baron...HD is on fiance too as many other sites, it is NOT solely anastasia, in fact OP writes to girl in question on natashaclub based(look at site address).
I could answer no to many of your questions baron. For someone with little experience in these dating sites your advice is good but to tell someone to run away from a PPL site as without any knowledge is not correct. Have you tried them? I have tried, fiance, anastasia, natashaclub, globalladies and elenas models, so I can speak of the differences. To me it is best for one to have a plan as you say BUT everything based on REALISTIC expectations whether it be ppl or monthly payments.
It troubles me that you look at me as having to change my plan because I have not found the right girl but this is an emotional/long term decision, I choose to take my time, even if it takes a couple years with same girl( as with my previous gf). Did I fail in my 6 year search for my other half at home? No,just never found the right one.......Curious how many FSU girls you have met in person, baron? There is a BIG difference in person....and how chemistry and getting along in different environments....to me a real girl is someone you met and spent some time with. Best way to meet an FSU girl is to immulse yourself into environment, meet girls through friends there not on dating sites, if you do you will find everyday girls, ones who look at you not as a foriegner, an older man but as a person, of course learning the language is a must. This is just one of many ways to meet girls just like yours is one way, let the reader decide what is best for themselves.
I forgot to address the OP, as in a previous post, I was writing to a girl on natashaclub that was also with heartdesires agency, when I was about to visit she suddenly decided to end things. She also wanted me to use apt through her agency. Another agency in sumy, polena, that I trust more, advised me that this agency (HD) has a reputation for girls not meeting guys, not sure how real this is. I do know of a guy that did meet a girl/s. What you can try OP, is to write girl directly on site.....probably cheaper since they do have monthly unlimited writing for $50, maybe she won't like you there???.........I know there are lots of attractive girls there.
When I jump into online dating, I did my homework, made a plan, worked hard at the plan and then jumped in all prepared. I had a nice intro letter all ready and professionally translated into Russian and I had the money and time available to be able to travel to meet a women within three months of initial correspondence (as was suggested by the mentors that I used).
Maybe I was fooled but I took it as serious that these women were seriously looking for a mate and that if a serious man were to come along and both met the criteria and both met in person and confirmed their expectation and agreed to become married that they indeed would do that.
So maybe I was fooled that it would go this way....but that is the way I approached it.
I used EM and immediately met (because of my hard work and plan) many real women and after three month one woman and I decided that we did indeed meet each others expectations and agree to meet and our hearts clicked and we became engaged. Now she is upstairs with the little one as my wife and son.
Beems, your way, exactly as you state "is a long term decision". All of the serious women that I met (and my age criteria did not go below 32) did not want to just date or have a penpal relationship; they were all ready now. Since you approach this as a long term decision, that is why you have not had any luck (unless you are a complete zero as a man, I don't know, you can decide for yourself). You approach this without the seriousness to commit and you don't get any women with the same lines. You as the man may have to make the decision; if you wait for the perfect women, you may be waiting for a long long time. Don't take anything I say as criticism but only as reflection....only you can make your life. If you want a mate now, you will find her and she will find you. If you are being wishy-washy, then you may be waiting for a long time.
And PPL sites only take your money, and maybe the woman you are corresponding with is not sincere. Any serious man would never engage these actions for very long. Sorry, but my collective reading of successful couples ALWWAYS had the woman away from the agency immediatlely. I don't know any successful couples that met and corresponded as PPL>
Let's say the letter cost $7 and the response $7. Assuming you pick the woman wisely, you can get away with paying as little as $14 with pay per letter.
I estimate that I have corresponded with 15 PPL ladies. With just one exception, when I asked for their phone number they always sent it on the very next letter. Once you get her phone number, call her and ask for her email address.
I sent that one exception three letters. She told me she already sent it. I had copies of her letters, and that was not true. I did not write her again.
Thanks for your response baron.....I am sure your way is sound thinking and I am glad it worked out great for you. There is something about finding someone to love and share your lives together with.
When emotions and feeling are involved there are many variables. It is not like buying a car or a house or some clothing. Sometimes you can't put into words what you want but if it is in front of you....you know it. As far as '....without seriousness to commit......'...I could have been married to several girls, I just think the longer you know a girl the better the decision will be. Last thing I want to do is being involved in a divorce.
You are right, I don't write very long on PPL sites, couple months only and I control the amount of letters and I DO try to using sites rules to get contact info, for they are all different. As an example, when using anastasia site, I have a flower delivery service that will get a phone number for me. With experience, it is much easier to navigate and you get a really good idea about a girl very early. I tell you baron, if you ever hear me talking about being scammed, call me out. I have never talked about being scammed here....that is for those who don't look at reality thinking by throwing a few bucks at a girl she is theirs.
Having more than one email on a Pay-per was my limit as per my master plan. I would never string is out for months. You don't need to lose your money that way.
Part of the time leading up to implementing my master plan was the careful thought and reflection on was I ready to become married.....to the first woman who met ALL of my criteria and I to hers and once our heads thought the relationship was good and lastly our hearts telling me the same.
When my wife and I decided we were very attracted to each other and that we should meet, we both agreed to take our correspondance exclusively. At that time there were a handful of women any one of which I could have seen myself marrying.
We both didn't know what would happen when we met, but everything clicked together from the beginning. By the end of our time together, we both agreed that we had found our "soul mate" and agreed to marry. We also never used the Love word since we both agreed that our relationship hadn't gone that far yet, even though we had agreed to start the long visa process. Our agreement was that at any time during the process, the other could call it off if they felt it wasn't right. Once she came here, the agreement was that by day 60 (of our 90 days to marry), we would make a decision...and she got the last vote. She came over on the 7th and we married on the 31st; didn't need the full 60 to determine our future.
So my message to you is to ensure that you have had this self-reflection and committment to yourself to make a decision; I suspect you are still unsure of yourself in this regard. A marriage relationship takes a of work and committment. If you take forever to learn about someone, you may never make that decision; there will always be something more to learn about the person.
ben, you mean kind of like the chrysler 60 day guarantee? they do charge you for the mileage though... but that's the beauty of it, it still has that new car smell after 60 days... you're still trying to figure out how to program xm radio stations, get your bluetooth to link up every time and still playing with all the widgets. then all of a sudden your sixty days is up. It's not until six months do you realize your back hurts after a four hour drive...
I agree it is much more complicated than taking a couple test drives and bringing it home hoping to make a final decision after the purchase. I am sort of in the same realm as baron. However there was no 60 day trial period. I got mine with the intention of keeping her. A classic that goes up in value every year. I'm sure she would appreciate the analogy. ;(
I did not have a "master plan". I just went into this on a whim. But I immediately knew something was fishy with all of the dating/mob sites. It all boils down to this. If you have your wits about you then you should be able to stay out of trouble, not be scammed and not think unrealistically. But still even the best of them will get burned.
Most of what baron states is true. It is just not the end all of ways to find a woman. I still suggest for the tenderfoot to use an agency for the first trip. Finding a reputable one, well that's the tricky part.
any and all agency's can and do have girls who are not serious or you might not be the one for them. just like dating women here, how you meet is not important as actually meeting. Ralph was lucky he met his lady in a relatively short time span, I am sure his writing skills helped. as for me took 4 years and multiple trips. when I met her I thought she might be what I was looking for and after 2 trips and months of calls emails and video chat I am sure she is what I am looking for.
Yes ben, marriage is a committment, just like a business deal. Of course there is love and emotions involved but when it comes down to it, it is a deal between a man and a woman, there is a very serious side to the relationship, finances, living, schooling, etc. Don't misconstrue the relationship between myself and my wife; it is very serious and very loving.
Personally I don't believe in using the agency's except to meet women. As I've stated before, the least of any man's worries should be how to meet the women.....just like in your country, you can meet them any number of ways. For me, the real test and the real work is what happens AFTER the meeting. That is where you will need to spend the most time and effort. To communicate, to unnderstand to ask questions and answer questions, to determine if the lady is right for you (or not or just a scammer). This is where your "master plan" should come into play. To not have one, may mean wasted time and wasted money and maybe wasted trips.
And....I understand that making a decision may not come easy for some folks. To them, yes they should take their time just realize that their timing may not equate to a woman's timing that they are communicating with.
I am on Elena's models and agree it is very good compared to others. Yes, Platinum membership costs some money but hey, how serious are you really? it's still cheaper than taking out an Ozzie lady 2 or 3 evennings and i get unlimited contact at no extra charge.
My master plan:
. lady must have her own computer
. must speak reasonable english (you don't want to talk about the weather all day do you?)
. must be willing to travel herself as well (at my expense) ( you would be surprised at the no. of ladies who have no passport and haven't even really considdered this.
In order to considder a visit at least a number of Skype video calls, personal cell number and adress,email adress. and have had some good personal emails back and forth that are much more substantiall than daily chitt chatt.
I have been on a pay per letter service for over a year and spent a load of money. On the other hand when I came to town for 4 days I had more dates than I knew I could ever go on. They were all who they said they were and after 15 letters one woman didnt ant to give me her private contact info so they refunded me every dime I had spent opening her letters.
I had a platinum membership on Elenas Models. The quality of women I was getting letters from was reminiscent of the women I could meet at any bus station. I had no luck at all finding the woman I was looking for. The ones That did contact me or answered my eois positively all looked like your typical image of a Russian woman.
Oddly on fiance I have met a dozen women in just one city I truly want to meet, or I should say I have met since I met most of them already. Also there is a pay per letter service where you can write to them free and they charge you to open their letters. Now Im 52. When an 18 year old girl writes me I dont open her letter. I send a thank you note but no thank you. I have met dozens of really great women from there in person. Last time I went there I was going out with up to 5 women a day. The latest I picked up one of my dates was 2 AM! It was exhausting and in retrospect probably not he best way to meet but of the ones I have met there are seriously 5 that could be a match. This time when I go back I will spend entire days with them since I will be in that city for a few weeks. Im thinking when I leave I should have a good grasp on who is the most likely one or two to sort out next trip.
No Ralph practice your ESL. I said it is free to write to them. You can send letters for NO money. See in English, words mean things. That is what free means. Now when you get a box filled with 100 letters from 18 year old girls who Lu bs dem some 50 y.o. Schlong, you can ignore them, like people on this site do you. Or you can read their profile (in your case get a literate person to help) and IF it is a good match then you can open it.
To the literate out there it is an expensive way to go, but if you can read (sorry Ralph) and you use common sense (sorry Ralph) I have managed to meet zero flakes, except here. (sorry Ralph)
The local agencies are affiliated with the main site and when you get there, letter writing requirements of a certain number (or even one) tend to go out the window. The translators have a vested interest in you meeting women you like to continue the reasonable translator fee of $10 per hour.