Rb, In a years time,,, I'll have 12 complaints of my own, on 1 or more websites!! (Not all are worthy of the BBB). That shows exactly what I was talking about,,, not enough people are complaining!!
Oh Danny!! Do you know of a lot of women, who are around 46 years old, who still want to have 2 or 3 kids???
I have my own reasons for choosing a woman who is younger. Does it make any sense at all, to search for someone who can't or shouldn't have children anymore???? That would truly be a waste of time!
Worry about your own search, and stay the xxxx out of mine!!!!
It looks like you're handling things reasonably well, Lonely. I look at it this way: I have been honest with you and have great plans for both of us. If you decide to scam me, it's your loss.
Typo on the post above. It should have read, "If Beemer is correct, there must be a lot of cheap, overweight and lonely guys flocking to AFA. No skinny ones?"
I actually don't believe it as I have seen pictures and videos of the socials and those who have used AFA. I did not see a large percentage of overweight guys. I don't remember seeing any fat guys at all. Many are good looking guys in their thirties. I don't know how they can't get dates.
Rb,,, define "reasonably well"!! I just had to purchase a new laptop!! My old one stopped suddenly,,,, a fist will do that!! I didn't have my system backed up either,,,,, I didn't know how easy it was to do,, D'Oh!!
When you say; "you" you mean; "her" I hope?? lol I have no plans of scamming you Rb!!
I spent big bucks on one girl,,, really big bucks!! The rest, I'm more upset about the waste of time,,, and sitting on a frxxken plane for so long!!
I too, think of it as "their" loss!! I feel sorry for the ones who are being 100% exploited by the agencies and/or websites! As for the ones, who spend their every waking moment trying to scam,,,,I hope they get their's too!!
I was on a Aweb or A-Int' (at the time)1998 social! For the most part, it was a nice group of guys,,, but each one had his own little defect!! Which is no different than the rest of us! One guy was very old, two were a little heavy, two guys were jerks, one wasn't very bright, and a couple were just shy!!
I wonder if they ever found the guy who wasn't very bright??? lol He hopped on a train for Vladivostok, without telling the people in charge!!
I was giving you advice because it looked like you didn't know what you were doing, lonely. That's why I said you were doing things reasonably well after you explained. There are things I would handle differently, but you have your circumstances and I have mine. You do have some interesting stories.
Yes, the statement, "I have been honest with you and have great plans for both of us. If you decide to scam me, it's your loss." would be for the girl, not you.
No ....loveme.com is more than just expensive - they are a scam in my opinion. They say on their website that they have received over 600,000 applications from women for membership.....600,000+ does anyone really believe that. Think they are real, put up a profile with no picture and no information and see how many emails you get. People who couldn't get unattractive women on Yahoo Personals to respond to them are suddenly getting "attention" from hot women on AFA. Getting a ton of response to a blank profile with no pic is clearly indication of a scam.
Could it be that people have to pay for these emails......hmmmmm.
Look whiners do I have to take your crayons and paint the picture for you ? Writing letters on afa is a fools enterprise. What lame soul would write letters to a woman when he can go on tour and MEET them. Do they intimidate you? Have you fully developed a spine? Afa is not a letter club! If you want to write letters, do that here! If you want to meet hundreds of women in 10 days then write them on ICQ or direct e mail go with afa. See it really comes down to if you can afford to visit these women or not. If you can't then write them endless letters until they are bored. Don't worry if you don't know any women. Go with afa for one tour and you will fall in love with 15 women, each one a treasure! Then you can beat yourself up for not being able to choose which one is the right one for you. We had a man on our tour, all he did was whine. He had no package to approach women and afa even hooked him up with an aggressive translator who introduced him to dozens of women. The fact is you can't lose going with afa the first time unless you are always a loser.
surfcityusa, I don't really think anyone has to defend them, as you've still said nothing to justify your claim that they are scammers.
Your last post only points out that they are expensive (as many here have said), and that it is possible to get emails to a non-picture profile. If you think this makes an agency a scammer, then stay away from internet dating. I've had that happen on fiance.com, elenasmodels, match.com and others. In fact, can you name a single dating site where that doesn't happen?
Scammers using a site and the site being run by scammers are two entirely different things. I don't think you'd advocate shutting down hotmail because spammers use it, right?
Ivor, giss sounds fairly typical for someone who's been to an AFA social tour. I've spoken to quite a few people who've taken the tours, and not one has sounded any different to the above.
Rb,,,,,, just what are you referring to?? What don’t you agree with? I’m a big boy,, I can handle it!
We do have our own circumstances, I’d be afraid if we all agreed!
Yes, I do have some interesting stories, I experienced some of them myself, while others I have heard from other men in person! If you think I have been through a lot, it doesn’t compare to the stories I have heard first hand!
Yes danny,, it is my choice!! If I see that girl again, the one I spent big bucks on, it is my choice! If I tell her to bleep off, or if I take her on a world cruise, it’s my choice and nobody else’s!!
So,,, your search is over??? How many times have you found your “one and only” since I have been here??? 4 or 5 times!! After my trip this last winter, you went to Thailand with a girl,, you wrote about your whole trip,,, like it was a school project! Dating doesn’t need to be expensive!! Or something close. You wrote how your trip turned out so great, and you spent so little,,,,, even though you paid twice as much as you needed to on air fare!! Then,,, on another topic, you spoke of the “ Money Hungry Cow” with bad makeup,,, something about;,, if she ever smiled, her face would crack?? I remember this from memory!!!!! So,,, which is it??? Not long after, you met someone else, and weeks later you are popping the question on her?? Danny, I have confidence in you,,, I know you will be searching again!! But,,,, I hope I’m wrong!!
No danny,, you’re not wrong!( Just wait everybody!!) Lol It was me, who you sent info to Luba for!! But you forgot the reasons I gave you for saying;,, she was too old!! You say she is 38 now? Okay, I won’t be flying over until January,, she will most likely be 39 by then. I won’t marry anyone in a years’ time or less. I need to be 100% sure in my choice,,,, because I WON’T EVER do this again!!!! Now she is 40! The INS in my state is located in Milwaukee, and it is years behind. We have a large Mexican and Hmong population here,,, 11 years ago, I stood in line for 5 hours,,,, and did not get in the office??? The time for a fiancé visa was 6 months back in 1999!! It has only gotten worse since then,,, expect 8 to 12 months!! Luba is now 41!! I would like to see if the marriage is working or not,,, 42,, 43??? Buzzzz Too old!!! And,, I hate to bring this up myself,,, but it may not happen on the first tries,,, her getting pregnant?? The older both of us are, the greater the odds of not having children!! Gosh,,,,, if I never listened to danny,,,,, I might be having kids now!!! If Luba lived next door, it would be a different story. Heck, give me 20 minutes to shower and change, and I could be making a baby tonight yet!!
After the age of 35, the chances of complications increase!! Age is a problem for men too!! The chance of Downs~~syndrome (misspelled) and Autism increases after the age of 45!!! I guess it’s helpful, if a guy gets rid of his old stock from time to time!! Lol
Surf, Ivor, giss, muzzy, When I think of agencies and websites, it reminds me of something I heard long ago, about two brothers up the road from me;,,, Same $h!t,,,, different pile!!
I was on a tour back in 1998,,,, they all wanted OUT!!! Today, it is a different story, they just want your money!! Why go to America and leave your family,,, when you can bring the best of America here (there),,,,,,our money!!
surf,,, 600,000 applicants doesn't mean 600,000 members!! Aweb boasts something like that too,,, it is to make you think, like they are being very choosy!! When in reality,,, anything that can crawl in is hired!!
giss,,, if you grab my crayons I'll break your fingers!!
And don't use psychology on us,,,, or we'll break something else!! I've been on here long enough to recognize a load of crap!! You're in it neck deep!!
Muzzy, youre obviously a paid shill. If you put an a black profile on Yahoo, Match, or eHarmony you will not get a single response because there are other profiles to look at. However, a black profile on AFA gets a ton of responses which points out they are in fact a scam. Everyone gets emailed on that site- because they charge you to open up emails.
Their tours suck, they do no background checks on any of the women so there is no quality control at all. If a bunch of prostitutes want to show up for the social - no problem.
Theres enough info out there and history to suggest that the dating industry is full of scammers, its been going on a long time, they come up with half baked ideas like comfirmed identities etc, nothing changes and no website seems to come up with genuine alternatives. Complaints make no difference fact its been like it for years the whole industry is corrupt. The scammers are there the owners know it and do nothing because if a scammer is makin him money no way is he gone do anything about it. Its an industry and industry makes money, i dont know of any site that could say it is completely different in its approach to the others in how it deals with compaints its staff and the lieing scum scammers that fill the industry.
Of course you're right. Anyone who disagrees with you is clearly, by default, being paid for it. What other reason could someone have for saying you're wrong?
For your information, I'm on match.com, and I received emails before I'd managed to upload my photo. I've also had scammers contact me on fiance.com and elenasmodels, which by the definition of most users here, is as close as exists to a 'reputable' dating site for FSU.
If you're looking for any site that scammers don't use, then you'll be looking for a long time. I've met plenty scammers online, and plenty in real life - doesn't mean I gave them anything, or that I'm annoyed that they exist. It's life - get over it!
I've tried agency dating on these sites with girls I've gone over to meet, agency-free, direct with girls who I've gone over to meet, and I've dated girls I've met on-the-go over there, with no dating site whatsoever involved. I've also used AFA, and done a tour. I only say this to point out that I have actual real-life experience of all the popular methods, and I compare them objectively. My facebook and VK contacts are a mixture of girls and friends I've met out there, and translators for agencies, including AFA (the translators have no particular loyalty to their agencies, and are quite honest about the whole business).
I've said numerous times that AFA are too expensive for their quality control, but - one more time - this doesn't make them scammers. There's no logic or objectivity behind your statements, but clearly theres lots of anger.
AFA are a long way from perfect, and in fact I once had cause to make a complaint to them (regarding their own performance, not because of any girl). The result was I got an email and phonecall from John Adams himself, who conferenced the staff member who'd cocked up, whom he made apologise to me over the phone.
I can't say I've no complaints with them, because I obviously did. How they resolved my complaint, though, is far more compelling to me than your claims and conclusions. If you have anything more concrete to add, then I'm all ears.
As stinky martin said, this is my interpretation. However, my interpretation is based on wide ranging experience and fact, so I'm pretty happy with it.
I doubt anything I say, though, will convince you or stinky martin to be anything other than angry nay-sayers, so you go right ahead and gripe.
i wont gripe about my situation or my experience but my observation is, if i was running an ethical business which a vast amount of its profits was made by people who were unethical and probably criminal i would be apalled at myself if i turned a blind eye and said hey thats life. The dating industry is ethical in its outset but is full of unethical scumbags,How many agency owners are happy to say hey i will kick them all out rather than take the profits made from criminal and unethical people probably not many, if all the scammers were removed from the agencies there would be no profits to be made. Thats not sour grapes its an observation and with all due respect, if you join a dating site you shouldn,t be put in a position where you have a 2 in 3 chance of being lied to or ripped off by the owners of these agencies, for example how many agency owners would pass a criminal and financial disclosure ? probably not many and they are running date sites and agencies. The industry is rotten from the core.