Rb,, I’m afraid I have to agree with Ralph on this one!
Is it possible that this person is in dire need of help, for some life threatening condition,,,,, yes! But the chances are so minuscule!!
When I had been on American dating sites, I would be flooded with sob stories from Russian/Ukrainian and sometimes, Guyana, or other small obscure countries! It was all make believe! I have since found many of these women on scammer sites, with multiple reports,,, some are even violent!! They spend their whole life lying, cheating, scamming! It is their life!! How much research have you done on this girl???
You agree with Ralph with what LR? Your point is Liana could be a scammer. Ralph is not calling Liana a scammer. It is the girl I dated. He is calling her a suspected scammer. Ralph is out to discredit anything that I do or say. If he suspected Liana of being a scammer, he did not say so. Ralph has another priority.
Ralph thinks I am doing this to sanctify myself to divert the attention from my past misdeeds. Do you think the same? Why would anyone sanctify himself by diverting his attention to a scammer? Ralph does not think Liana is a scammer. I think If he did, he would have said so. He still has a chance to say so if he does. I don't mind a discussion on that. But, it is the girl I dated that he thinks is a scammer, and he chose this thread to tell it AGAIN.
My posts above states I was going to quit this thing or at least, put this endeavor in the back burner because I couldn't get a hold of Liana. But, I got a hold of her a couple of hours after I posted. It was not my goal to publish that link to my site here. I was going to wait until I have the real site up and publish just that. But, some here might be wondering my about my progress.
This is the wrong arena? I will agree with Ralph there. But, it is still up to the moderators. This thread and all my posts go through the moderators before it gets published. I acknowledged them. When I take it a step further, I will contact them. Ralph has talked here about American politics, his fishing and hunting trips, illegal aliens which had nothing to do with FSU dating or FSU at all. Then, he goes after me for putting up a site to help someone from Russia with muscular atrophy.
I just PM'd Natasha, one of my friends on VK and asked her opinion if she is a fraud. As I am writing this, I just got her answer.
i saw this group,it's tarribale to think that your life so hard
i don't think that she is a fraund
it's not joke
it's a big tragedy
I have another friend, Viktoria who said she will help me with the website. I also PM'd her. I will tell of her response when I get it.
Liana does not follow the usual methods of being a fraud. She is as transparent as can be.
3. vkontakte.ru has a policy to remove questionable profiles. Fraud is one of them. Spammers and profiles that have a lot of complaints are others. If they are removed, a page remains with their name and is marked, "This profile has been removed for...(whatever the reason)." I run into many of those pages. Liana's page is not one of them.
4. Liana's vk page is rocking. She has 480 friends. She has a group with 472 friends. I scoured her pages and friends pages for negative comments. There were none. Many put her story on their own profile pages. Many have comments which are like Natasha's, and many encourage others to read her story.
5. Liana herself is online almost everyday, posting and asking for help.
6. Liana has disclosed her illness, what needs to be done, showed her x-rays, and even told of the doctor who will do the surgery and the city he is in.
7. Liana has kept track of her receipts and posts them. When I decided to go on this venture, she needed 657,000 Russian Roubles or $20,761 USD for her surgery. She had been on the campaign for three months, from July to October of this year, 2011. For those three months, she got a total of seven contributions for a total of 20,300 Roubles or $641 USD. She still needed 636,700 Roubles or $20,120 USD. Unfortunately, the value of the US Dollar decreased against the Rouble since then. 636,700 Roubles is now $21,508 USD.
LR, I appreciate your concern. I will pay better attention. That is my concern with the others I am thinking of putting in the website. They are not as transparent as Liana. They need to be asked more questions.
I need to write good content and use good key words, so the website will rank high on Google. The more I write, the better. What I wrote here will be one of the blogs. In the absence of going there to visit to see for myself, I think I have enough to believe Liana.
I again must thank the the moderators to allow this thread. Thank you Olga and Fiance.com.
Hello, Ben.
Well, I do not think she is a fraud. She looks sick.
And I think that it is enough to look at her and to understand that she has problems. People should believe.
I can spend lots more time interviewing people on whether or not she is a fraud, but I need to get this website up.
http://benbaligad.com/
The website is preliminary. I set it up for practice. If you bothered to look at it, the money goes straight to Liana. I will hold none of it. That is how I want it set up. However, I am not sure I should be sending her to ATM's and banks to pick up money whenever money is sent. Look at her video. She has problems moving around. Some of these Russian banks are strict on the identification of who picks money up. It might be a problem for her to send her friend or family to pick it up. Some of their ID's are last name first and first name second for example. Where would you put the middle name? Mess that one up and they might not release the funds.
If the money has to go to me first to give her convenience, I will do it. But first, I must research the legality - licensing and taxes of doing it. I already did a preliminary research and it looks like a license is needed if you collect money personally in public, but I don't see anything on doing it online.
Moneygram and Western Union and an ATM card are set up that she needs to go to the bank to pick it up. Perhaps, it is not a problem for her to go to the bank - yet . Moneygram and Western Union will give you a control number. She will need to be emailed to get that control number. Then, she can pick it up. But, she is new to it. She did look into it when I mentioned it and said they have Western Union. I know for a fact cruising around Kiev, Simferopol, Zaporozhye, and Yalta, there are signs everywhere, every block for Moneygram AND Western Union. I have to convince her there are Moneygram locations. Online, I see 138 agents in her city of Ufa, Russia.
ATM money, as far as I can see will go to me. I saw a firm online that will send her one. I have not sent her one, but it looks like it is cheaper than any of them, as far as fees. This will probably be easier as she can send someone else to pick it up.
Two of my statements to Ralph aka Doppelganger aka Rasputin come to mind. One, of all of our disagreements, you started all of them. Two, when you are being nice, you have a big hammer behind you, ready to strike. Do me a favor. Try not to live up to my expectations.
"She is not answering her yandex email or vkontakte." "She left in the middle of the conversation."
Why judge her on this? There are many reasons why she would leave and not tell me. Others on VK and facebook do it all the time. We did finish about talking the important things. She did come back and tell me about Western Union.
"My plan was to make links to that blog to generate traffic to my store."
Yes, I made that statement. Google bases their rankings on searches based on keyword, content and the amount of links going to and from that site. I have no store. I have the website name for that store and that's it. It is on the back burner. I have other projects, and yes I will do my best to put links everywhere.
RB,,, I watched the video on your website, and I looked through her profile pictures, and I will agree that she seems to have a serious condition. It looks as if she has been in the wheel chair for a long time?
Here in the U.S. they screen for Scoliosis in early high school, and many times a brace will prevent the damage from occurring? It seems, that if you treat it early,,, in time it goes away on it’s own, as I know someone who had it, and was able to get by without surgery! However, you could not tell this person even had it,,, it was so slight!
I’m not sure,,,,, but what I think Ralph meant by saying; “you are in the wrong arena” is that you have the wrong audience??? Most of the men on this forum have been scammed in one way or another,,,, you are not likely to generate any sympathy!! Look at how easily I put her into scammer status?!
As for talking about politics, fishing, hunting, and illegal aliens,,,, Yes, I do think it pertains to the subject of foreign dating!! Ralph is taking his Russian wife on fishing trips,,, and who knows what else?? Lol My Irina was scared of camping,,,, she thought all of the campers were risking their lives,,, very afraid of wolves, the elements, and I think the Boogieman?? The Russian people are very superstitious!!
Well LR, there is one thing you can't find an excuse for about Ralph, that is calling someone he does not know a suspected scammer. He knows nothing about her other than what I have revealed here and that is almost nothing. Make the connection as you wish to politics, fishing, hunting, and illegal aliens of foreign dating. When he mentioned those, he didn't mention his wife. I don't even care about that. He does not respect my woman or whom I chose to date and have a relationship with. That I care about.
"Most of the men on this forum have been scammed in one way or another,,,, you are not likely to generate any sympathy!!"
"Most" and "not likely" are the key words here. I don't expect 100% participation. Being scammed does not mean one is not going to participate. If everyone does that's great. If one or two does that's good. If none does, then so be it. If I am depending solely on this forum, then my project is doomed. I am not but every little bit helps.
HER BONES ARE CAVING IN AND HER INTERNAL ORGANS ARE BEING SQUEEZED !!!
OK. Let’s get this done. We shall get Liana that needed surgery. $20? $5? More would be good. $100? Every little bit helps. She must be or should be discouraged by all the supports others are saying, because up to now, she has gotten very little.
I just found a way to send money to Russia or anywhere that beats the hell out of Moneygram or Western Union. You can do it from your computer with a debit card, credit card or bank account. It is Paypal.
To start a Paypal account, you need
1 An email address
2 A credit card, debit card or a bank account.
It will cost you nothing to start an account or send money. All you need is her email address and that’s spasibo88@yandex.ru . The money sent will go into her Paypal account. It will stay there until she withdraws it. To withdraw it, it will cost her 3.9% + $0.30 USD. Withdrawing $100, for example is $3.90 + $0.30 USD or $4.20. That is all you need to know.
The rest is details, but here it is....
Liana does not have a Paypal account yet. But, the Paypal agent I talked to says it doesn’t matter. Liana will get an email that she received funds and she will have to open up an account to get access to it. Paypal has a Russian version. I will follow up this post with a letter to her with instructions to sign up. My communication with her has been alright, but not great. It has gone through Google translate which is not always reliable. But, I have Viktoria and Natasha, the two girls I just PM’d. Viktoria is really good in English. She is more than happy to help. She volunteered without me asking. I will message Liana and have Viktoria follow it up.
I will keep you posted. Do you have a business or send money? You need a Paypal account anyway.
Compare this with Moneygram or Western Union. Moneygram costs $9.00 to send for money in minutes to send $100. They have no other alternative. You will need to email Liana a control number and she has to pick it up with identification. Western Union has the same procedure. The money in minutes costs more. A lot more. They have money the next day for $5.99, but that is not published, therefore, I cannot confirm that it still exists. You need to go personally to the agent and tell them that's what you want.
And everything you say is the truth. And Martin is a liar.
Of all the things you said, I believed you when you said you gave to the Japan earthquake and tsunami victims, and you went to help with the New Zealand earthquake. It is what Australians do, you said. In a PM, you even said you have more money now than you will ever need for the rest of your life. Do you even have a wife?
Send: 11.10.2011 6:44:33
oh of course its legit ! ...i have already sent my money , how about you
Whether it be online, or in real life,, dunt only cares for himself.
He helps no one,,, except himself, to his woman's money in her pockets!!!!
You are right Rb,,, no one would ever say; "I have more money now than I will ever need for the rest of my life" if he is getting married and plans on having kids!!!
OK, Danny. It is a fiance, if she exists. And Martin is the liar. How will anyone know what to believe?
As I said before, all I was doing was getting it straight. You said you donated and Liana's schedule did not reflect it. For all I knew, it was Liana who failed to record it. Now, I know better.
We need an asterisk on Paypal. To test the reliability of Paypal, I sent Liana $10. That was November 17. She has not picked it up. I am sure she tried, but with communication problems, she has not told me why. All she does is insist on wire transfer. Wire transfers cost $45 USD. I had not told her that. I thought the problem might be her. I kept quiet. I was working on the site. If the site is not for her, it could be for others.
It sounds so easy when Paypal explains it. It is cheap at 3.9% + $0.30 USD. You can send $10 and the fee would be $0.69 USD. You can also send $5 for $0.50 USD. I called Paypal four times. They explained it the same way:
Start a Paypal account with your email address. Send it to Liana using her email address by debit, credit or bank account. Liana gets an email that she has money. She starts a Paypal account with her email address and has an instant $10 in her account. She can let it accumulate and then transfer it to her bank at her convenience.
I called Paypal again today. This time I insisted they look at their rules or tell management my problem. They came up with IT HAS TO BE A US BANK IN RUSSIA. It is not impossible, I guess, but where are you going to find a US bank in Ufa, Russia?
Are you reading, Rasputin? My evil plan is working. I had not told the beautiful lady helping me with this about doing a website. I told her last night. Here is her reply:
Oh, you created this site specially fol Liana! Its cool!
We still do not know what Liana could do with money on PayPol… I suggested her to spend it on Ebay to necessary goods. But she does not registered on Ebay, on PayPol and she does not know how to do it and how to buy…
Do not you know about payment system Webmoney? It is not popular in USA, but it works! Liana has Webmoney account in USD: Z575386029108
You can write it your site in requisites!
And also write this bank requisites for those who would like to send money from another countries!
SABRRUMMEA1
SBERBANK/URALSKY HEAD OFFICE/
EKATERINBURG, RUSSIA
BRANCH № 8598/177
На сберегатель 085;ую книжку № 40817810106003341972
FAYZRAKHMANOVA LIANA
You are kind man!)))
there are people who live in america with some of the same afflictions who are not covered by medical insurance. there are people in america who have NO health insurance. there are people in america who get coverage who are not worthy of it. there are people in america for whom I pay taxes to support who are not worthy of such support.
RB - hurray for your latest explanation ......................
have you ever thought of supporting those in your own country????? I guess that you must first be a tax paying citizen in order to support those who live near you. And yes, there are those who live near you that are not worthy of such support...
when you someday realize that almost 40% of your income goes to those who refuse to work or are illegals here, then you will start to question it all...
until then, you have no voice in the debate. ....
yep ---===+++)*^%^#$%#$*&*@#$%^&*(@#$%^&. %$#^$#$^&^**@#@$#)()*&... I LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY IN WHICH I HAVE NO SAY OR NO ABILITY TO DECIDE ANYTHING. THE ONLY RIGHT I HAVE IS TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT CROOK WHO WILL STEAL MY MONEY.
good luck with your endeavor. when you are finished with that I certainly hope you take up a collection for AMERICAN veterans of the vietnam war - not actually a declared war - who are living in terrible conditions. vietnam vets --- the worst of the worst. Imagine being treated as dirt compared to the latest campaign of "support the troops".
America is a society of the latest fad or cause. Just like the Penn State thing.
Before Sandusky was accused... how much support for sexually abused children did the students of penn state make such a statement... No, it is only when it is your back yard...
RB-- it's good you have a cause. And I surely hope you go main stream with it. But, to be sure, this forum is hardly a place that will get you the support you so desire.
I explained that because I asked above for people to send Paypal to Liana's email account. Since that will not work, I will use the the website's email. I don't have it yet. Maybe tomorrow.
The reason I support Liana is because she came to me. I have three others I ran into, but I will take care of Liana first. If I take on a new client Liana might not get fixed.
If you know anyone, I will put them on my site, eventually.
I have ideas for increasing web traffic. Not forum. I do appreciate this forum for letting me put this thread.