We have always heard about needing an invite from an VK member, to get into VK,,,,, but that is no longer true!! I don’t know if their rules have changed, or if I found a back door,,, I just know, that I am now a member!!!!
I searched for a girl on Gxxgle and found her profile here (fiancee) and on VK!! I had done this before, and never found anything,,,, however, her VK profile is at least 10 months old!
I went to her profile and was able to access most of it, but some things were still in Russian. I clicked on the sending a message link,, but could not use it unless I was a member!! Then,,, it asked if I wanted to be a member,,, and how to do so??!!
It first stated, that I needed an invite,,,,, OR,,, I could send them my phone number, and as soon as a invite was available,, it would send the login and password to my phone!! The whole process took less than 5 minutes!!
I had always said; 5 minutes on fb was worth more than 5 months writing letters!! Well,,,,, 1 minute on VK is worth more than 5 years of letter writing!!!!!!!
I strongly urge everyone to search for your girl on every search engine, social network,,, or whatever!!!
Being on Vk has many advantages,,, but I found a very helpful tool just a week ago!
When you go to a woman’s profile, they will have a list of friends on the left side,,,, and next to that, they have a “news” link!! This link has everything they viewed,,,, everything from hair styles, finger nails, shopping, cooking, and even porn??!!! But,,,, it also shows the time when they were online!!!!!
Not only is this helpful for learning their tastes in everything,,, but it shows how much time they spend online!! Very important when your girl claims not to have any internet connection!!!
Before I discovered this,, I had found my ,,,,,,, “current??” girl’s profile online,, and was a little upset at first. But then I thought about it,,, and mellowed a little. The profile did not seem to be active?! She didn’t have any posts of her own, and only a dozen posts from close friends or family, spread out over a period of 3 or 4 months! I did learn that she has a brother,,,, and he went to college in California?? I’m still trying to understand how that wasn’t news worthy???
The motivation for finding this,,, was when an old flame came back into my life! She wrote; that it was from problems with internet,,,,, and she had never forgotten about me!! Eight months without a chance to send an email??? BS! She went to school for computer programming,, and is now working as a gaming software designer,,,, or so she says?
I did my most thorough search ever,,,, and I caught her cold!! Multiple lies,,,,, and some VERY damming evidence!! I’m still pondering the thought of sending everything I found to her parents!!!!
Not only is it a lie, that she hasn’t had internet access,,,, she’s been on it steady for months!!! I watched her movements for several days,,,, she only gets two hours of sleep a day!! Compulsive surfing,,,, shopping websites,,, art,,, or what I call porn,,,, and plenty of useless comments from hundreds of people,,, a good half of them men!! BUSTED!!
Now for my,,,, current girl,,,, I started watching her too. My letter to her on this site, sat in her “inbox” unopened for a week! During that time,,, she went online to Vk 6 out of the 7 days,,,, 1 to 3 times each day, times ranging from 5:00am to 2:00am,,,, and Yes, you must convert the time into theirs!!! It shows the time in,,,, 10 seconds ago,,,,30 minutes ago,,,, 1 hour ago,,,,,,, then as time passes,,, it will show the time at, 5;30am yesterday, and so on!
She wrote in her reply to me,,,, that she was sorry for being late,,, but they are having problems with the computers??!! I wrote my first letter to her on Vk,,, simply saying; The computer seems to work well on Vk???? I’m still waiting for a response!! But,,, I’m sure,,, I’ll be a bad, bad man!!!!!
LR, I have to disagree some of what you say. What you say about the friends news feed is true, but it is not necessary of the time they read it. I checked it out and I looked on the news feed for several of my good friends during the middle of the night for them. And I would see items in their feed that I know they did not read yet because it was 3 to 5am their time and they were not anywhere online. So, I think it is just their news feed updated whether they have read it or not, but it is a good tool to see what interests they have and to see what they might comment on.
Danny,,,, you go from being online at the forum,,, to going to sleep????? Sounds rather dull to me!!!!
It is hard to wait for letters,,, especially when you know there is no good or legit reason for not reading and replying on time!
I am currently waiting again for her to read and reply to my next letter. It is now the 2nd day,, that my letter sits in her inbox,,,, unread! She has been online with Vk both yesterday and today, the latest time was 2:45am!! Her time.
To my knowledge, she has not read the short letter on Vk,,,,, and I did not mention it in my reg letter on the site. I don’t have a picture on Vk,,,, and maybe she does not recognize my name in English???
I see two possibilities,,,,, 1, she has some sort of I-phone or smart phone with internet,, and is getting alerts when her friends and family posts something! I would have to believe, that she should be able to at least read my letter on that same phone???
2,,, I am not writing to the girl in the photo,,, or at least,,, I am no longer writing or receiving letters from her??!! In August, we had broken off communications for a couple of weeks,, but she sent me two letters just before my birthday. I had been off the site for a week or so,, and had to sign up again just to read her letters. Her letters started to have a little pillow talk in them,,,, not really her style. What I believe could have happened,, is that her correspondence with me has been;,,,, “Handed off“!! This is when the girl doesn’t want to continue the relationship,,,, but the agency doesn’t want to lose the business!! I can easily see going to meet her again,, only to have her be sick or away seeing relatives! During the last few weeks, I have been asking her questions like;,,, how would you travel to Kiev,,,, what time would you arrive in Kiev,,,, would you share a room with xxxx the interpreter,,, or should I reserve 3 rooms??? Do you need me to send money for the trip?? These are all questions she should be happy to answer,,,,, but??? Perhaps the reason for not having clarity,,, is to ensure a misunderstanding,,,,, and a reason for her to be away,,, or busy??????
Kiwi,,, do you mean my gut feeling about the “old flame”?? If yes,,, I had a bad gut feeling about her for years. On my way to see her for the first time,, I called her from the taxi after leaving the airport. She answered, and I said; Hello it’s xxxxxxx!!! Her answer;,, Ah,,, uh huh,,, and she hung up??!!!!! It was a little late, after 10:00pm, but I was suppose to be the first foreign man she had met?? She should have had trouble getting sleep that night,,, but that was not the case.
I have seen many red flags and little red ribbons where she is concerned, but the connection I felt was very rare,,, perhaps it’s the reason why so few on here understand it?! Her half of the relationship was totally bogus,, she was a very good actor. Her true goals in life do not correspond with mine, and continue to drift apart. I truly wonder if she will ever find contentment in her life,, or will spend it chasing a hunger for material wealth and status?
ProB,, No, it’s not 100% concrete proof,,, but I think it is accurate enough. For the last month, I have been getting her replies at midnight her time?! Tonight, she had been looking at other peoples posts from 10:00 pm to 2:00 am!! She always claims,, that the agency has less people in it late at night,,, so she can write in peace and quiet?? I can’t fault her for that! I have also asked her, if she could log into fb,,, then she could check out all of my photos!! Her answer; we are not allowed to view that site!! I never did ask about Vk,,,, but I will soon enough!
How can you really know if your friends are truly online or not??? Who isn’t up in the early morning once in a while? I have never seen my girl’s profile on the dating site,,,, or on Vk,,, to be “online” !! She is able to send me letters on this site without being logged in??!! I have no idea if she can see me!
Even if the time of day is wrong,, she is still online at Vk!! A neat trick for someone who doesn’t have internet!!!
I am afraid you are sadly mistaken and mis-informed. Vk (english) is a mirror site of VKontakte, the russian version of facebook. Being a mirror site in english, the site suffers from being machine translated. Therefore it is prone to not being literal and many meanings are not the same.
To see a kontake's freinds list you need to be on it. In other words, until she accepts your friend request, you can not see all of her friends. You also can not see anything on her wall that she has chosen to set as private.
The "news" feed is not a list of places that she has visited. It is a list of recent postings and actions done by the people on her friends list and or events or sometimes just random crap. All of these have time stamps and usually appear as they happen. Example. you look at ggg's page. you are not ggg's friend. You click on ggg's news feed and see postings like , zzz added 2 people to friends, and yyy updated her profile pic. But you will NOT see anything that she has gone on Kontakte.
On a persons wall is typically only thier own public posts. There are many more, marked as private or freinds only. Those posts are not available to you until you are that persons friend.
If you can not read or understand Russian, then do not make assumtions about what the meaning of the words are. You have assumed that you have proof. In reality you do not because you do not speak or understand russian. When you accused that girl of being on kontakte because you saw her news feed, you were wrong. she (no one) ever reads all of their news on kontakte if they have more than a few friends. It simply is impossible.
You said that vk tells you what time she was last on the site. This is also not correct.
The site keeps track of the time you post new pics, videos, quotes etc.. but there is no "last online" area an anyone's personal page.
I suggest if you want dirt on a girl, at least be man enough to send her a friend request and see if she accepts you. If not, you are only seeing a small part of the big picture.
Vk is not designed for lurkers, or spying on people. It is a very fun and usefull tool that russian people use to network socailly.
Anyone making the claims that you are making, is bound to be seen as crazy by russain people. Not a good thing. If you are serious about meeting a russian girl, I would advise you to go to russia and meet some realy women. playing "detective" is not working out for you in more ways than one.
Vkontake has added to the "News" feed "Updates" and "Comments" so you should no longer be confused about what is it really is. Again, the news feed is NOT a log of pages visited by anyone. It is a list of the actions done by friends.
VK was by invite only because of this very reason. English speaking people coming there and lurking, doing bad translations and stealing passwords. Since they have shored up security, you no longer need an invite, but you should without a doubt learn to speak russian before attempting to understand it.
I have to question your motivation about trying to find a woman who does not speak your language. How do you intend to communicate?
It looks very strange sir.
and of your "proof", you have proven that you are ignorant at best. You best say you are sorry to that girl and go on about your buisness.
DUNT,,,, did you not think, that I knew you would trash this thread when I started it???!! I knew as soon as I posted some personal information you would be all over it! That is your only purpose,,, to trash everything! You have already said, that you DON’T want to help anyone,, not just me. Can’t you find some other place to crap up for a while. You total shit!! I believe you are a total fraud too! You talk about others lying,, you have done nothing but lie here! Your total existence is a lie! You won’t leave the forum because you have no other place to go!!! No wife,,, no dead fiancée, no dead woman in Israel!! And it’s not that I don’t think you are capable of killing them,,, if they were true,, then I’m sure you did do it! You treat everything in life like shit,,, and if you ever had a woman in your life, I’m sure it would be as easy as turning the handle on a toilet to you!!!
You dumb, pathetic, worthless piece of shit,,, DUNT is the perfect name for you!!!
The reason why I started this thread,, was to help others! What everyone who starts this endeavor is missing,,, is information!! We’re over here,,, and they are over there! You have no way of knowing if a single word that they write in a letter is true! Being on Vk and using the helpful advice I gave, combined with online searches, gives a guy the best chance to discover the truth!
After finding damning evidence, you need to think long and hard about it,,, no pun intended. Even something very bad could have a legitimate explanation.
For my situation,,, I’m still waiting for one. I’m still waiting for her to read my next letter,, if she follows her pattern of late,, it will arrive tomorrow afternoon. From any point of view,, I can’t understand the reason for making me wait. If she is the interpreter or agency woman writing to me,,, she should be trying to keep me happy,,, and waiting for letters does not! If she is the actual girl,,, why isn’t she a little more excited,,, her letters should be arriving everyday?! In her last letter, she was counting the days until we would meet again!! Yeah,,, I’m counting them too!
If everything was normal,,, I would be leaving on the 8th and meeting her in Kiev on the 9th. She hasn’t answered the questions about transportation or lodging. So I haven’t made a single reservation,,, it’s almost too late now!! She,,, or whoever is doing the writing,, is shooting themselves in the foot!!!
I have most of my things ready to be packed,,, little travel size personal products bought for my carry-on. My leather jacket and suit are at the dry cleaners! Why am I taking a suit??? Well,,,, I am supposed to be meeting her parents??!! That’s why it’s such a puzzle,,, she is excited in her letters,, but is completely apathetic in her actions.
All of my past trips seem to start this way,,, I haven’t left on a trip yet,, and had peace of mind!!! Before my 2009 trip to Russia and Ukraine, I paid an agency in advance for rent, interpreters and transportation I didn’t hear from the girl in Tver’ for 13 days after that!! And when I arrived it was Bait and Switch!
The 2010 trip,,, I caught the girl in a lie about changing agencies. I guess she never expected me to call the website about her??!!! I should have listened to my gut and went to Florida!!!!
Last year,,, I had the battle with the agency woman about apartments. I told both her and the girl,, if the only way I can see the girl is to rent an apartment,,,,,, then I am staying home!! Two other girls in that city got into the argument with me,,, it did not change my mind!! In fact,,, it was easy to see a concerted effort,,, and I became even more opposed to apartments,,,,,,, and agencies!!
Well,,, it’s after midnight here,,, time for me to check her movements,, and to see if she read the letter yet!!
Okay DUNT,,, you have some more personal info,,,, time for you to crap all over it!!!
Don’t worry about how,,, just be yourself!!!
I am Jason, I am new to these forums.
Sorry for not introducing myself earlier.
I hope you found the information in my first post useful.
I am sorry if I offended you.
So, am I to understand that you have made plans with a girl to meet in Kiev in mid-December.
Perhaps all the questions you have should be addressed to her.
If you are having problems waiting for letter from an agency, try send her a freind request on vK. Once you do that, you can send her private messages, even if she does not approve your request.
Do you not have here phone number?
have you talked to her over video chat?
Remember one thing, Dating a girl from overseas is one of the most difficult things a man can do.
The only person responsible for making you happy , is you.
Expecting another person to do it for you, will just bring more unhappiness.
I am happy to support you in this and give you advice.
No,,, I’m sorry “New” Sir,,, but most of what you wrote is wrong!!
The news feed in her profile,,, “IS” what she has viewed or read!! How can you not understand; “Showing news items read by xxxxxx“?!
It is not a complete list of “Everything“, that “Everyone” has posted or read,, it is only what “Each” person has chosen to read from each others profiles!! It does not need to be from a friend either,, it can be from any person or public site! There is no way to know if every single detail is recorded,,, and it is not necessary !
It must have been your guess, that I didn’t have any friends,,, “invited friends” of my own?? You are wrong!!! I am able to see what she views,, and when I post something,, if she looks at it,, it shows up in her news feed!! Not everything I post, or photo that I upload, will show up in her news. Also,,,,, when I delete that post or photo,, it is deleted from her news feed!!!
To make sure I was correct, I looked at my friends news feed,,, chose the most recent photo, and sent it in a letter asking; Did you view this photo last night at 2:00am?? I need to know if you did and the approximate time?? She replied just 20 minutes ago,,, Yes,, it was right before I went to bed!!! That is good enough for me!!!!!
The time that is shown in the news feed,, is only when they viewed something,, not when she logged out for the night.
I looked at my own news feed, and only found 4 items. I had looked at many lists,, many pages of feeds,,, but only clicked on a hand full! It does not seem to record the items you only spent a second or two on,, just the ones you took the time to read??! Perhaps this is where you are confused???
About seeing the other person’s friends,,,, that depends on their security settings!! It is the same for seeing when they are online,, my current girl always appears to be offline,,, even when she just read something! I have guessed they have three different settings,, offline,, online and showing up in the list of “online” friends,,, and showing up as online,, only when doing a search??!!
Next,, it is not my only intention to look for dirt!! My current girl is quite clean!! Did you not know,, that up above in my older posts, I had been talking about two different girls??? The one I refer to as “the old flame” is a borderline criminal!! It would be in my right to report her as a scammer,,, but after all I have been through with her,, I still don’t have the heart to do it. She had claimed not to have any internet access for 8 months,, I found that to be very un-true!! She had posts, music and video files added to her profile all summer long!!
As for “lurking”,,, this is a public social network!!! If anyone doesn’t want something to be viewed,,, they should not post it!! In fact,, most people post things hoping it gets viewed as much as possible!!
What do I have to apologize for????? Perhaps it’s for not getting the memo,, stating my girlfriend has a Vk profile and access to it??? DUDE,,, get real or get lost!!! She should be thrilled that I take this very seriously!! If she took the time to have me checked out,, I would be ecstatic!!
It is you who does not see the whole picture!! I believe the person who helped her set up her profile on Vk,, is one of her friends!! This one particular friend is also the interpreter we used during our meeting last winter!! There is a strong possibility,, that the girl I met, is not writing the actual letters anymore???!!! Would it not be self-defeating, to let everyone know that I am a friend and watching??? And did you miss the fact,,,, that I have wrote to her on VK????? But guess what??? I have not received a reply from her on Vk!!!! I received one from her on the dating site,,,, no comment or remark about Vk!!! Hmmmmmmmmm??
Almost everyone on this forum, has been affected by scammers at some point!! It should everyone’s “DUTY” to thoroughly check out every girl they are serious about!! If you fail to do that,,, you risk your financial future,,, the future of your family, a whole lot of misery and wasted time! And it doesn’t do the country any good either!!
I started this thread to help people,,, and if they chose to use my advice,,, that’s great, if not, it’s their choice!
I really have to question your motivation for wanting to discredit my thread????? You are a “new” forum member?? Or,, are you one of the loonies who do nothing but cause chaos?????? Either way,,,, I hope I do not need to waste my time on you again??!!!!
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Dunt,,, thank you for proving me right!! Now everyone can see the ass that you are,,, if they didn't already know.
Oh,, my girl is fine and wants to meet me without interpreter in Kiev!! She answered my question about how many rooms!! She said; I think we need not many rooms,,, do you also wish?
Unfortunatly,,, that is the only question she answered. I checked for plane tickets last night,,,, two seats were available.
Batman,,,, you found dunt's medical report!!! lol
NewJ I clicked on "News" I found only three items today,, starting from Nov 29th! I don't view much,, no time! It showed three items that I spent more than a few seconds on,,, most notable was some poll from Pavel Durov! I was curious about it!!
What do you see??? I'll respond to your previous post later.
A smart phone??? How could you even find one??? Did it bite you at first???
Poor, poor DUNT!! It's that damn dylexia and dumbfucxia!!
Perhaps few people know this,,, but he was not born this way!! Oh no,,, it happened after years of having Thai "Lady Boys" fisting him elbow deep!! He goes crosseyed from it!! Didn't your Mother warn you, that you would stay that way????