The lady I like the most is from Kharkov
I would like to visit her ASAP
However, She says she is still at school
So what will be the best time to visit for someone is still at school?
Also she suggests me use the agency for accommodation arrangement, transportation arrangement and translator arrangement.
It makes me feel somewhat uneasy as I wonder she might be working for the agency??
And is there any trust worthy local Kharkov age
Probably, she IS working for the agency. When everything is booked through the agency, it can cost you twice as much as if you made the arrangements yourself. This is VERY profitable for them -- and usually the "ladies" are financially rewarded for extracting your money.
In Ukraine and Russia, women who are honest and serious about wanting to make a good marriage will usually try to help a man save money, not to waste it! These are relatively poor countries, and women who are not spoiled are VERY thrifty.
uneasy alright,,, shes been coached by the agency or cannot be f*cked with the effort it takes to meet a person.
you are flying from where sid, then dealing of getting to the best Mc Donalds i've eaten, which isnt saying much
and she is doing what for you??
if she isnt coached then shes just to immature for the reality's of life,,,, i take it you did ask for some help and you are only meeting her?
if you are meeting others and she knows, well then you can kind of understand her response.
ukraine plus agency,,, you are hoping a lot.
i remember a guy i saw in kharkov who i saw in a city up in russia the day before
i had trained down to kharkov that day.
he was a gypsy beggar who had his mouth rearranged by some russian i guess when i first saw him, he was spitting blood over the footpath from his mouth and dripping blood from a rather large cut.
and there he was with his beaut of a cut swollen mouth and some of his bro's begging outside of a museum that had some old WW1 tank.
nothing is what it seems at times
Hi All. She says she is at Uni.
I do not understand your response, Kiwinorth?
Hi can you guys be more specific and give me some constructive responses?
I like Kharkov cause it seems to me its the most intellectual and have a lot of histories and cultures.
Even meeting her or other ladies is not working out I will have a good time there.
I like this one lady the most but from the forum and research I have done.
It makes sense to pick a few ladies before I go there.
I am sure she is corresponding with other guys too.
It is just like interviewing for a job.
Job seekers will apply for more than one company.
And any one position would have more than one applicant.
And just like submitting resumes and the interviewing process when applying for a job.
I like her for now but it can be another story when I meet her in person.
And she says she likes me but she might change her mind when she sees me in person.
I really would like to have a serious relationship if it works out.
Just like landing a job, it takes a lot of work and effort to find a good position.
The best thing to do is to take her away from the agency. Until you do, live with it. The agency will take a percentage of any gifts you give her and will give the girl a cut of any business you do with the agency. Therefore, agency supported services cost more, sometimes a lot more than others pay.
i know i talk in riddles a bit sorry dude.
putting it more plainer.
all girls i believe are coached by the agencys they join.
when you think about it there is really no need for such places as agencys, everyone has internet access, but anyway.
i'm guessing you write to her through an agency yeah,, hopefully you are not now,, i hope she speaks english to(stay away from none speakers, scams big time).
so with this coaching one has to figure out what they take from it and do with this.
kharkovs "mc donalds" i thought wasnt so sh*t.
i'm guessing this isnt a easy journey for you, travelling to Kharkov(it wasnt for me) so theres reasonable effort for you to get to her, yeah.
so i'm asking what reasonable effort has she gone to to help you?
even meeting you at kiev airport would be sufficient,,, anything..
when i started this trick(wanting reasonable effort) making sure the girl made reasonable effort to meet me my searching changed for the better big time..
agency help???? stuff that, you might as well come to NZ and come fishing with me.
either shes naive to agencys games to mention this, or the coaching is coming into play.
all ukraine girls(actually all ukraines) know all about scamming western men hugely, its a national laugh and pass-time.
you can even get boyfriends and husbands pimping out their girls for this.
girls marry averagely young there, 19- 23 there(its weird to watch this public carry on)
never never would i trust any girl in an agency.
i also have a very close friend who was an interpreter there, she couldnt take it anymore for it was clashing with her integrity..
this style of meeting someone you are doing has very little chance of success basically, so good luck.
if she knows you are meeting others, well then she will do little for you which is understandable, its just a human thing, and this is what the agencys are hoping you will do.
if you go to Kharkov, check out the small Jewish museum there for WW11 victims, its interesting,,, even that small place shows a lot of ukraines were not very trust-able to there own and other race's big time, what a sad history these people have.
I would like to ask the lady to come meet me at Kiev is she is willing and I would reimburse her travel expense.
I will be traveling from San Diego California so just to get to Kiev it probably take 12+ hrs
At the same time, If I were the lady I would hesitate to travel out of town to meet a foreign man too.
Just like when I have a job interview, I would hesitate to fly all the way to New York City just for a job interview even I got reimbursed.
I do not mind go to Kharkov as I would like to sse Kharkov more so than Kiev and I prefer universities and research city.
I read Armin(Bonddd) blog. It seems there is no real incentive nor reason for quality Ukraine women to marry a foreigner?
I never been to Ukraine or have any fact/data to look at
However, the population in Ukraine and Russia is declining. Does it mean the next generation is un-willng to raise a family.
But at the same time, many developed European Country is having the same issue that the local is un-willing to raise a family.
Giving all these view points, can some explain is there really a surplus of quality woman in Ukraine?
bowhunter is on the right track but to define it, the surplus comes from actual stress.
the mans sperm, when humans are stressed they will produce mainly female sperm, these countrys as you know have had massive stress problems in their past and problems are still present.
at this time russian scientist are trying madly to find the answer to this strange human behavior,, lets hope they dont:).
i think theres almost 20 million more females.
you sound like a typical good oh american Sid,, much a gentleman.
in this search if you play that game without thought they will eat you alive if you take the wrong path,,,,, be careful.
theres other reasons why i pushed for them to do things for me,, like basically playing dumb to most things over there in a sense.
this angle will show money hungry cows or scammers a lot quicker then you playing the independent man which they with ambush on arrival in their town city when its all to late, its a little deceive to show a bigger one from them, yeah.
very few of these using cows will go out of their way for you to a great extent if they fell they will not win the lottery ticket from it in one way or the other.
you are after the ones that believe in the heart sort of thing, not users or demarding cows(and theres a lot).
most of the girls that go out of their way "big time" its mostly for their heart, as long as you dont show off any wealth, some will have no boundary's for lov.
i have had girls train thousands of miles or drive close to 600-700 miles one way over crap roads just to collect me,,,,,, all to look after me.
you are searching out that beautiful womanly spirit of they securing their man and doing what comes natural with their hearts, that kind true woman,, not some bloody demanding cow.
but always have exits at the ready, phone numbers of hotels airports or what ever to turn to, so you are never at their mercy..
this takes a little research before hand sorting exit strategy's, but its worth it for peace of mind..
i'm trying not to be insulting to these people but this place and this western search has created some ugly people amongst a whole lot of other ugliness.
for example of ugliness there's,,,, siblings were on the rise of killing each other just for their daddys apartment, they have a thirst for money,, anyway possible.
in my eyes kharkov is really just a big market of chinese goods (biggest i think in ukraine and russia) people come from a far to wheel and deal for their shops there, it also has a lot of poor people.
i will never forget the drunk on some steps there airing his rotten foot in the sun, had all his bones sticking out where they should be joining to his toes..
the mentality of some peoples heads there when i mentioned this was disgusting, and they did get a reaction from me,,, maybe my country believes in humanity on a bigger scale than they, unbelievable,,,, this is why they are still third world and will be in my life time, then the animals is another story.
its possible what i have said will not sit to well in your plans,, but i would put money on it, after you visiting the place you will see why i had them coming to me and sorting my accommodation and such,, it just gets rid of the crap..
i have met some beautiful woman i will always be forever greatfull to.
i hope the same for you
I would like to go early Jun late May when it is not cold there anymore
What is a good time to go to Kharkov?
If I dont use the lady's prefer agency for booking accommodation, how do I book it myself?
I see this website the price seems OK.
Is it easy to get around by public transportation in Kharkov. It seems they have a very decent subway/train system.
I am learning it through Rosetta stone. It is quite difficult to speak and I hire tutors for a little bit..
I was thinking hire some locals to give me russian intensive for 2 to 3 hrs a day.
How can I do that?
Kiwi,,, I never heard about stress causing more female babies to be born,,, but I suppose it could be possible. However, I do know, that the more sex a man has,,, the greater the chance of a female baby being conceived. The more women there are,,, the more sex the men are getting,,, the more baby girls will be born!
Siddha,,, A lot of guys like to rent apartments, but to me, it is a really bad idea.
First thing,, they will want you to pay for the apartment in advance! How long will you want to stay?? If the girl does not show up,,,,, and that is very common, you are out most of your money!
Once you are in the apartment,,, how do you get around?? It most likely won’t have an internet connection, and may not even have a phone!!
The agency will tell you;,,, that the girl will cook for you!! Well,, she needs to show up first!! The agency will make a lot of promises, and tell you what you want to hear,,, just to get you to rent their apartment!!!
Beware of the old “Bait and Switch” !!! When the very first words out of the interpreter’s mouth is; your girl can not see you tonight,,,,, do you want to meet other women??? Guess what??? You just made the trip to that city for nothing!!! It not very difficult to find hungry women who want to have a free meal!! That’s all you get when you meet with “other” women!
At a hotel, you have a phone, internet in most, a restaurant, and someone who speaks a little English!!
Oh,,, and just pay for 1 or 2 nights at a time,, you may want to leave early!!!
It would be a good idea to learn Russian first,,, then meet the girl!! Don’t tell her you speak Russian,,, listen to their conversations for a few days,,, hear what they really think of you!!
lonely,, yeah it sounds odd, i was watching russian tv over here and this topic came up,, they were very serious about this and are investing a lot of time and effort into finding the solution to it.
i always thought it was their wars, but when you think about it time and such is all out of sink for it to fit now and western countrys have never had stress like them.
maybe the big man upstairs figured this will be how earth will preserve the human race?
sid,, public transport there is a nightmare really, no english involvement other then bus numbers, the underground was a complete confusement to me,,,, trains was easy.
accommodation for me was always with the girls finding something cheap or free.
i have never heard of problems booking on line other then apartments been out of the way.
hotels are easy and usually on the spot.
first trip i used tour company to pre-book across ukraine(hotels and apartments) just to have a look around.
that changed my mind on finding quality in amongst a money hungry system in place.
but hey, what a great trip..
as lonely said never indulge your little ace cards like knowing russian or such to quickly, wish i did, would of been a great laugh.
learning russian to me was really out of my league, and my old man and family spoke Croatian.
there summer months are just magic.
So I can not trust what the apartment description in the agency?
So it seems like I need to change my game plan...
Only target the girl who has private email and not agency email.
But how would I know if they find me legit accommodation ?
Can it be possible is another kind of trap?
Accomodation with an agency? That is a trap. Keep them in check by calling hotels and comparing the price.
The hotels also has a trap if you want a solid plan for accommodation. They charge you an extra 25-45% (in my experience) if you book with them over the phone. I remember calling a few hotels. They all have this.
anything agency you can not trust.
if you are more then half serious about the girl never go with your heart if its a agency email.
the apartments, just double check the address, if its appropriate to where you wanna be.
Sid i had girls booking apartment in their names so it was real cheap, western guy and apartment leasing is just a whole different price.
but i will have to say prices really have changed in the last few years.
its worth checking hotel prices if you are there for shorter time.
as i said i havent heard of bad things from renting apartments from online other then people not checking its location by address.
i myself have never booked it this why, only by tour agency in the beginning or by the girls.
dont rule out your trip Sid, do as you planned with a couple of changes, just stay outside of agency,, meet this girl,, you will find it interesting yet weird.
first trip really is all about working out your future game plan.
personally i would look in russia,,, ukraine is the trap
just to many men looking or in the clutches of the system in place, very difficult to stay out of it.
as lonely said, these mongrel places (agencys) need to be all moved to the moon, or maybe mars,, i think even there they still wouldnt be far enough to stop robbing peoples self respect and western cash.