seems a nice start to say hi again. Went back spent quite a while on skype with a lady she speeks english well, Yes through all problems of winter. This one is from Russia met family. Has not asked me for 1 cent
in all endevours put before us. I spent whole time just getting to know her. Half way through our meeting
we went on line booked vaction to mediterianian for 10 days. We still talk almost every day on skype. No marriage agencies involved. No garbage. Right now is two people getting to know each other. Yes she is also gorgeous. This one will not end up on forum like the last. I plan on taking this relationship in stride. One step at a time. Any mistake will be my own. Is strange I offered taxi, she would answer metro. She says she works hard for her money and metro is faster. Yes lonlyranger I hope this one brings success. I plan on leading with best foot forward. When we were in Kiev she watched my money. She took care that no one took advantage. Trip was so inexpencive I was very surprised. OH by the way Ukraine secret foriegner tax is not
just for North Americians or Europeans. She says Russians have to watch them selves just as much as we do.
It was just chance meeting. I have a great great friend now. I am on a road that is a good road. I will work to make sure this always stays a good road. That leads to success. Your friend from Canadas great White North. Hope this letter makes you smile. Oh thought it might interest you I am now starting to read Russian, Found this time could understand much, and also speak still needs work, but can now hold conversation, to a point.
Thanks is very differant from agency meeting was just a fluke meeting while working my way through fall and winter problems, of Ukraine agency garbage, among other things. Is the right way friends, trust and respect for each other what a concept. Understanding each other helps as well. Yes all will be taken instride with this lady,Have found a really great one. Just when your not looking isn`t it always the way. I feel very strong I have found right road, and a great great friend.
Its a very good sign that she is watching out for you regarding expenses and the foreigner tax. You're right. In all local business matters, I try to let my Fiancť and her friends do all the price quoting and try to stay in the background. Only when it is time to pay the tab do I wish to let them know I am a foreigner. It doesn't always work, but its a good thing to know how to save extra money in the future for you both.
Glad you enjoyed reading. Have learned many things this trip. My lady is not unique. There are many just
like her, In kiev met many nice people that enjoyed our company. Yes and some not so nice. Is lots of women that don't belong to agencys. Noticed guys who wrote letters all winter to meet there tru love. Were
so busy thinking about letters They missed all that was around them. Was talking to my lady today on skype her mom was making dinner. Her mom is now trying to learn a few english words a day. Her mom made a plate up for me, set it on table, and told me is always a spot for me at the table. Yes last year I had dreams of being welcomed into family life, with help of agencys. Was all around a big disapointment. Made a chance meeting on skype. Met a truly wonderful woman, her family is great. Best part we enjoy each other very much. Will always put best foot forward for my lady. I have a great friend, Now is all up to me
If her Mom has accepted you? You definately have a solid relationship. That is the key milestone in all Ukraine relations... the mother's acceptance.
You were like me... disappointing reality shaker for the first time, then did something different, but didn't give up. I was persistent and I learned it is more important to know what you don't want rather than to just keep following what I wanted.
My lady is from Russia not Ukraine We met in Kiev thought it was easiest Place to meet. Gave us a chance to get comfortable with each other. Thou we both found We skype had already made our relationship pretty solid. I can count on one hand how many emails we have sent to each other. Skype is the tool to use. What makes our meeting so differant was I did not use any internet dating sites agencys or anything else was just a complete chance meeting. The only credit I would give dating sites and agencys is. That they pissed me off enough to not waste time or money with them. Her family, They are great. I do not know why but I feel they have been and will be part of my life for a long time. I know I am always welcome, Is as all should be in a relationship that is developing and moving forward. I can not explain but we both enjoy each other. The people that we meet can see this as well.
I can totally relate to your story so far in my experience in my quest to find the woman of my dreams...
I too met her by chance.. ok it was on a dating site but not an "Agency".. so there was never any letters, translators, gifts, intermediates, or anything else along the lines of the "traditional" boy meets girl on an agency... so it was a chance meeting... there are thousands of girls on the dating sites... Yes some (maybe even most) are out to get as much as they can from whomever they can... and some are not even real girls.. they are scammers... (I still do not understand why the guys that are getting scammed are associating their being scammed with the girls picture... I don't get how they don't understand that there is a room somewhere full of people, writing these letters and asking for all this money that they are stupid enough to send??? )
BUT... SOME are real beautiful girls and seriously looking for love... and I think even the ones that are out to get as much as they can get from every situation, IF (<-- CAPITAL IF) they come across somebody that they connect with and they are attracted to and is the type of man that they can see themselves living with for the rest of their lives, I strongly believe that even those that are looking to get as much as they can get from the average old, fat, ugly looser type guy, even those will commit to a life long relationship with the right guy... Now sure "we" might not want that type of girl... but "we" also CANNOT escape the FACT that "we" have created that type of girl... So who is really at fault here?
On day 1 of our journey with my girl so far, we got off the dating site... we used Skype on day one and pretty much every day since then...and it has been 4 months now... we would have chatted for over 300 hours on Skype... plus sms's in the hundreds both way and over 30 hours of webcam chat... I have met her mum and her son on webcam... we have also exchanged hundreds of emails and hundreds of photos... this whole thing has literally cost me $0... it has cost her much more because she pays for her sms's that she sends me... and she sends me at least 3-5 every day... and all this time she has never ever asked for 1 cent... she uses an old laptop that dies every 10 minutes... she cheerfully turns it back on turns the webcam back on and with a smile on her face tells me "it died again"... Now I own a software development company... I have probably 2 dozen new laptops sitting in a room next to my office.. it would be literally nothing for me to send her a new one... all she has to do is ask...and she knows this... yet she has never asked... and when I ask her for her address so I can send her something, flowers, a gift or a new laptop ( she doesn't know this) she ahas repeatedly refused to give me her address... she says that she will not give me her address until after we met in real life... Now how easy would it have been for her to say "yep,sure... send the gifts here on this address" and yet she hasn't... she is not after gifts or material things from me... she is after ME.. !!!
I think you can get to know somebody pretty well doing it this (your) way... I would also say that we already have a solid relationship in place...
When I go there to meet her in real life in 5 weeks I will not be going to meet somebody so I can find out who she is and what she is like.. or if she is real... I already know who she is and what she likes and what she wants... and that she is real...
The relationship is under way.. sure there is many steps to go before she will marry me and we live happily ever after ... but we are well under way...
This is the MAIN difference between my (your) way of doing this and the way that most of the guys on this forum are bitching about.. This is what they don;'t get...
FIRST there has to be some connection, some attraction, some reason for her to like me and for me to like her... THEN you have a chance to like each other when you actually end up meeting in real life... and THEN you may have a chance of her falling in love with you... for real...
From what I understand most of the guys that have failed or claim to have been scammed simply are not up to the standard that these girls are looking for... They have a false expectation that all they have to do is "turn up" and they will have all these beautiful hot temperamental women from a culture that they have absolutely no idea about falling all over them because they wrote them some letters, they bought them a laptop or send them some gift... Well I can guarantee you that from my experience of human nature... that would never work... anywhere in the world... let alone in a region where this has become the norm, a way of life almost for many people, men, women and an industry...
BUT the good ones are there... (and I put it to you that most are good ones that have been lured into this "get as much as you can" life)... and it is up to us to find them...
And the good ones amongst us men, the desirables in their eyes, will find them... and when we do.. we will realise that illusive dream...
The rest... the undesirables in their eyes... they will still be here ... on this forum ... still bitching about how they were scammed... well after you and I and a few others on here will no longer have any reason to come back here, because we will be busy living our lives with the girl of our dreams...
The first thing one sees on these sites is photos of woman, there are sites that use untouched photos, as well. I think a guy that has been scammed. bitches about photo first. Because that is start of the lie. If one also has the time to check he will then find his true love is on many sites. And of course the next problem is the greedy agency manager. who has sold this woman to many would be husbands to be. Again some are worse then others. The Maraiage specialist Karina from Zaporozhye is a true evil witch. She has no redemable quaultys as a human being. If you want be happy to list her phone number. I can not judge all agencies. There seems to be some good ones as well. I unfortanatly did not hook up with a good agency my first trip.
My lady now just started being a wrong skype number, I now consider her my greatest friend. We have skyped almost every day for over 10 months. We have spent time together. We plan to spend much more time together. I am pretty sure my way is similar to a lottery. But I think if A guy is aware of his suroundings he can find a much better way then these so called marriage spicialists of Ukraine. I think if someone asked me now to recomend a agency. My answer from what I see would be kearsongirls. My first trip I had a interpreter with me 24/7 He is from Ukraine, He is bonded by North American companys as a trusted interpreter. He told me day one be very careful of agencies, You will have better luck with a chance meeting in street. He now is also a good friend, I talk with him quite often. He's lived in Ukraine most of his life so I think he should have good idea of whats going on. I also think maybe might be better idea to spend time finding a trusted interpreter, and less time sorting through photos just go and have fun let the wind carry you on a fun adventure.
Aussie,, just what is the purpose of your post here?? To compliment Stevc on finding a girl he likes, or to spread worthless rhetoric??? You seem more and more like D-1 with every post!!!
Finding a girl on a website is NOT a chance meeting, you were both looking for the same thing!! The only thing you and stevc have in common is Skype!
You got your girl off of her website on the first day,, thatís great,,, but are you sure about that??? Have you looked for her on other sites,,, perhaps a 2nd profile with other photos???? It is very odd to have a girl remove herself on the first day for anyone, or anything!
ďBUT... SOME are real beautiful girls and seriously looking for love... and I think even the ones that are out to get as much as they can get from every situation, IF (<-- CAPITAL IF) they come across somebody that they connect with and they are attracted to and is the type of man that they can see themselves living with for the rest of their lives, I strongly believe that even those that are looking to get as much as they can get from the average old, fat, ugly looser type guy, even those will commit to a life long relationship with the right guy... Now sure "we" might not want that type of girl... but "we" also CANNOT escape the FACT that "we" have created that type of girl... So who is really at fault here? ď
Gosh,,, you keep making visual references about people you have never met nor seen!!
You are also making a lot of statements about women you have never met and a country you have never been to?!!!
You keep talking about the guys who call some or all of the girls scammers,,, because they were all scammed????? Not true! Other than the airfare, I was scammed for very little. Most were scammers, because everything in their letters and profiles were lies,,,, or they tried to scam from the first minute. Most failed! I have only had two women during my travels that were not interested,,, and neither one was decent enough to tell me personally.
When it comes down to choosing a mate for myself, my OWN opinion is more important to me,,, than everyone elseís combined!!!
As for quitting or giving up,,,, I had decided months BEFORE my last trip, that I would be OFF of the websites,,,, one way or another! Either with the girl communicating in private emails and Skype,,, or without her!! Iím very glad to be without the last one!!!!
Do you think everything was easy for Stevc??? Have you read his posts and threads???
I consider Stevc a friend on here, and he has several other friends too!
If you want to see how this forum is supposed to work,, check out Stevcís own thread!
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If you take the time to read it from start to finish, you will realize the process is not so easy??!! You might also notice the members who were trying to be his friends, and who were just there to antagonize!! Your new fb buddy danny (D-1),,, who has been here the longest,, keeps popping in to crap on the thread! His sole and most important thing in his life to do!
Most of the members here are trying to help, and sometimes we must tell people things they donít want to hear! I canít help it if you have closed your mind to 95% of that advice! Going to the Ukraine is a real learning experience,,, and you havenít been there yet!!!!
I write my posts in a very frank and straight forward way, Iím sorry you donít believe a word I say! I know what I know because I have experienced a lot, and I have LISTENED to many more men telling me their stories too!!
You donít really have any REAL experiences until after you make the trip!! Everything on the computer is just ďvirtualĒ and is not a real, sincere, genuine experience. Go on your trip, have success or failure, and then tell us all about it!
Oh,,, btw,, your girl withholding her address,,, is not a good sign. Perhaps she is just protecting herself and her child,, or she could be preventing you from tracking her! Background checks, scammer checks, etc!! My last girl didnít want to give me her address either???
ďThe rest... the undesirables in their eyes... they will still be here ... on this forum ... still bitching about how they were scammed... well after you and I and a few others on here will no longer have any reason to come back here, because we will be busy living our lives with the girl of our dreams... ď
We all wish that would be true,,,,,,,,, so why is danny42 still here?????????????????
Steve - that's exactly like my own relations. We rarely write a letter, but did each single day when we were meeting. We would even write about our impressions of each of our early meetings.
Now we Skype a lot more. We have to make a lot of plans and get things organized for the Summer and our next meeting in a few more months. I think it's international that if a family accepts you in, that its like a golden happy path has now been created. Just follow along and enjoy the time.
Thanxs lonely Ranger, Yes for me things did go south and very quick, I was pretty broken up about way it happened did not know what to do or why. Was nice to talk to you guys while I gathered up the pieces. You and kiwinorth I have great respect for. Who knows maybe some day in our travels, would be nice to meet, hunting fishing, or just dicussing stories over a ice cold beer. I started talking to lady I see now just as a freind. early nov was not in mood for relationship, at that time had no plans to cross the pond again. We became really good friends she offered support and friendship through all even kept me strong with my sisters ordeal. I tell you when we met for real was so great. While we were touring Mediterianian people thought we were on our honeymoon, and we belonged together. My lady is all and more I could ever ask for. My lady is what I had hoped to find on first trip. Truth I was not looking when we met. She was just there one day. Just the way it happens. And yes if you are ever out this way I am not hard to find. Show you guys areas of best hunting in North America. And Lonely Ranger you know, My area is the true Sportmans meca. I am still young enough for kids, So who knows what adventure life will blow my way. I intend to enjoy whats a head for my lady and I.
Stevc, I should be up fishing right now, but work derailed our early fishing trip for a 3rd year. Let me know when the Blueberries will be ready, if the frost hasnít wiped them all out??!
We also have fair luck in August catching Walleyes, around rock piles and at the mouth of streams! Meppís spinners are my favorite.
It's good to hear that you have found someone, and that it is working out great for both of you!! And it all started with a wrong phone number??
Having better luck by sheer chance,,,,, vs. a professional marriage agency,,, really tells the whole story about agencies!
Yes lonelyranger it does say a lot, adventure with my lady is in hers and my control. Our friendship builds everyday. It is hard on skype sometimes but we both know, The rewards are great. I will again be seeing her, not soon enough. What makes it so great is all is up to the two of us, I will do my best for success.
As for blueberrys yes keep you in mind, Walleyes my favorite fish. Goes good with nice cold beer. 3yrs canceled this is not right. Good things in life, should be enjoyed,you know what they say(all work no play). I love fishing While I lived in Oz must say was the most interesting, could use what you want, no licence required. But Canada does offer some great sporting adventures.
I will start a subject next week I think, let all who read this know we can now watch scammer in action. They just can't see past the greed.
That shows what you know about fishing!!! Do a search for Northern Pike and Musky! We have already caught 5ft Northern Pike!
The fish everybody wants to catch are Walleyes, they are some of the best tasting fish anywhere!!!
Was up north in west Oz a place called Port headland. I am sure now this will explain a lot. Was hot. was a interesting place to say least. Western Oz residents when I first went there said you crazy. We won't even go there.
Danny my good man. Yes I know ocean fishing is a sport of its own, nothing like it.For fresh water Canada is very clean with waters. is not even close to Russia Ukraine or any other places in local. I seen fishing in Ukraine young boy was quite excited about catch his dad had.Me I thought I would throw up at thought of eating them. Man made pond was filthy. However they work with what is left. Canada is youngest commonwealth country. our population is about 38 million. Much of our lands our untouched by man still to this day