Holykimura, you are far from being out of the woods. Getting her on Skype is good, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t saving you for later.
Once out from under the thumb of the agencies, the girls are able to do their own scams, sick parents, broken this or that, visa, plane tickets, chocolates, etc, etc.
Don’t get too excited until she has stopped chatting with other men, left all of her websites, and makes plans with just you!!
I like the monthly model on fiance website and feel at 50 bucks per month if they cant be profitable then its time to examine the business model.
a dollar per minute is very excessive given that the actual cost is on the order of 5 cents per minute.
If a girls says she cant chat or doesnt have internet access but yet she has a profile page on VK(В Контакте)then she is straight up lying to you.
However, I have discovered that less than half of ladies on fiance agency lists have internet at home. thats really sad when it cost 5 bucks per month
Kiwinorth, I am glad that you replied. In this so called "Internet cafe" there are no people walking around, it seems to quiet to be an Internet cafe now that you mention it. I will be cagey with this girl and thanks for pointing some of those things out. I think I am going to wait until she Skypes me on a regular basis before I make further judgement.
I must admit that so far I am shocked to learn the how desperate some of these girls are to try and con people in this way. It is bang out of order.
I have one who has kept emailing me, I know she is a fake, so I am stringing her along. So far I have made her believe that I will be sending her money for her to get by. I will lead her on as long as possible until she finds out that I have no intention of sending her money!
To be honest unless you see these girls in the flesh they could be anyone. I had another pretend she was an American woman telling me that she was an abandoned child at the age of 3, she was apparently a minister performing voluntary work for third world countries. What flagged was her poor level of English, when I sent a reply questioning this I never heard from her again.
Lonely ranger, thanks for the advice, I think it's easy to get sucked in knowing that they have followed your wish. I was made up when she replied to my Skype request but like you have pointed out, I still feel that something is not quite right. I don't know what it is but there is something may be a sixth sense that warning me. I think being a newb in this game is like a child swimming in a lake infested with crocodiles. Thankfully we have experienced people who can advise which is valuable advice. It can save us a lot of hassle and and money and in some cases heart ache
holy,,
the cafe thing can mean nothing,, but then again everything.
one cafe i visited over there on a regular basis was the dearest i have ever paid throughout the world,, no one or just the odd person used it,, the girls would offer me coffee as part of their service.
this particular place i couldnt imagine most people using, $20us an hour.
i even got a russian friend to check the hour rate to see if i was been taken.
it was quiet so i liked it, other cafes were full of kids playing internet games,, very busy places back then,,,, this was 4-5-6 years ago.
i did visit the odd less used ones that could be as you described,, with anything one cannot be definite whats going on,, thats why i say to be a little mindful.
basically its just making sure all she says is the truth,, thats all you have to try and figure her out.
so take everything in and i mean everything.
to be honest i didnt mind going through the scammers, they were just a short term problem,, my fears were more some psycho bitch,, you know the sleepers that awake after a given time.
ukraine and russia have a huge problem with mentally disturbed, druggys, diseased, old radiation defects what ever,,, so just be mindful of any possibility's, just like how you naturally check people out you meet around your home.
the sleepers are our worst nightmares, they are like cancer, we allow them to in-bed themselves into our own personal system then she eats you from the inside out.
many good guys have lost so much to these mongrel types, they are everywhere and the FSU is no different it not be more cautious.
nothing like having a defective life jacket for back-up i guess,, anyway good luck
It’s almost impossible to know exactly what is wrong or when something isn‘t quite right,, but I’ve found that the little voice we hear or our gut feelings can be very accurate!
If it’s too good to be true,,,, it most likely isn’t true!!
So another update as to the current situation, the said girl had been communicating with me on Skype and so far all is good, we have talked about the prospect of me visiting and she said that she is happy to help out in finding a place to stay. We also spoke about her learning the language and she is prepared to do that, so every thing seems to be going well.
internet cafe is still good business to get into in ukraine. still not too many but ironically they are busy at night. I helped set one up 4 years ago but
after 2 years it closed because the ones who ran it were not good at managing the place and spent all the money they made and didnt keep up bills. I was not out too much money, about 2500 for the 12 used computers but street kids who went there after begging all day for the 9 bucks for all night access lost a reasonably safe place to go although they were sometimes at risk of having that money stolen by the older teens who would hang out nearby and wait.
Holykimura, if your girl is helping you find an apartment through an agency,,,, then you are back at square one!!! Apartments and interpreters are how they make the most money!
Besides that,,, I always prefer a hotel that has everything,,, phone, internet, ATM, money exchange, restaurant,,, and someone who knows English!!! Plus,, most taxi drivers know the hotels! Will you be able to explain to the taxi driver, just where your apartment is??
street kids..
when i was in lugansk, some kid came up to the table with his hand out where four of us were having a few beers..
the interpreter told him to scoot, i asked interpreter(who is still a good friend today) to ask the child what he wanted the money for..
anyway his little words were he wanted a icecream:)
how could you not give the little man a icecream for his honesty and it was bloody hot.
i enjoyed the ingenuity of these youngsters of ukraine in their begging.
but the lugansk one just seriously wanted that icecream.
yes as lonely said, if its an agency involvement be very careful..
i had found in russia people did not like renting apartments to foreigners?
yet russians living in NZ would offer their apartments free to me.
i wasnt talking about weekly tourist apartments
I still think something is not quite right. Yesterday day we spoke and she was in this so called internet cafe. I asked her for her address and pretended that it was to send her a gift for Christmas. She would not give it to me despite several requests. She kept saying wait until we talk on Skype. I keep wondering what the big deal was. I can only think that this internet cafe is an angency in disguise and thats why I could not get her address. What do you guys think?
Hello, I have a beautiful woman who has contacted me first. She is registered with an agency but insists i download Skype to talk with her . She wont answer my letters of normal questions.I have learned many years ago not to trust agency women, but men i ask you, does this sound like a good thing ? I downloaded Skype today and see it is free from Skype to Skype pc to pc , or will her requested method be charged somehow to me?
Anytime there is a resistance to moving the process forward, or to any reasonable request, suspect something is wrong. They are “supposed” to be on the websites for the same reasons we are.
I had a girl who had given me her address,,,, and for some reason,,, she sent it to me twice,,, but it wasn’t the same address??? I asked her about it, and she lost her temper.
Don’t people in Ukraine ask each other personal questions???
On the internet cafés,,,, you need to distinguish between an internet café,,,, and a restaurant or café with internet. I have been in a place that had no café at all,,,, and I couldn’t even use my laptop. They had a row of computers, all being manned by young guys. What were they doing?? Don’t know.
So, I guess the lesson is -- first time a girl writes you write back, say what needs to be said, and then tell her all further communication needs to go to skype, VK, facebook, email, twitter, sms, phone, cellular ETC. Don't you find it rather suspicious when a girl claims she doesn't have VK or Facebook? Do you all just write off a girl if she's playing like she's not connected. Like come on, who doesn't have access to these? And even if they don't, it's five minutes to set it up anyways.
Thanks for this posting guys,
I was a VIP member for 45 days last month and within 3 weeks, I was suspicious. I had 4 who gave me their Skype # ‘s and other who will not give up. After reading a few of your posting, I knew it something was wrong. A week before the end of my subscription, I found some of this girls in VK and Odnoklassniki. Most of them have a boyfriend and some a married. They rest were not interest in chatting on any other media besides Fiance.com. I had lived in AU and those who have computers know about skype, but internet access is an issue over there for sure.
Good luck to all
I am still unconvinced by this Internet cafe, the thing is we can talk with video chat using fiance.com but when I told her to use Skype she says that the video is not working, is this a legitimate reason or a lie? Sometimes we can video chat till the early hours of the morning and once I asked her do you not feel afraid walking home at this time to which she replied that her brother can pick her up as he lives close by. Is this true or not I have no idea. The other thing that makes be doubt is that she works as a free lance graphics designer. One would assume that she would be earning reasonably well, however she is unable to afford an Internet connection?? The girl has told me she wants to take the relationship further and we are talking about meeting up soon, problem is if I am being led on then I would like to find out sooner rather than later
I found it interesting that some fiance girls are also on a webcam site that offers stripping online, sex shows, etc.
So how many of those are also willing to just hook up for cash?
so much for seriously looking for a soulmate....
Sunvolt,,, there is such a thing as a “dangerous” scammer!! They want to get away from agency and website letters and chat, to lure you into an illegal event. Travel money, visa, health care, food, etc.
Do a google search for her, then search for scammer watch lists. On several of the scammer watch lists, they have a % for how dangerous they are.
The reason most men come to this forum, is that they have questions or suspicions about their girl or her agency. The best tool is your own instincts!
If you have serious questions,,,, go to the following website: http://www.visajourney.com/
Holykimura ,,,, ask your girl about her internet connection speed!! Video needs a certain speed to operate,,,, especially two way video, and she simply may not have it.
Also,,, check in the properties of Skype, to learn what the minimum requirements are for video.
Rick,,, are you referring to Dating Cam Girls?? I informed a woman from Ukraine that some of her friends were on it. She knew nothing about it, thanked me, and said she would look into it. The last time I looked, one of her friends were still on it.
They buy, borrow, rent or steal profiles from several sites.