The annual holiday begging for gifts has begun. Inundated with "baby I miss you; baby its cold; blah blah blah.....all ending up with a subtle, (and sometimes not so subtle) request for Christmas gifts / flowers / money..."If you love me, you will not disappoint me"......."Show me you are a real man"......ad naseum....
For the few whose address I still have....I am sending the girls coupons!! I just cut out some random coupons from the local paper.
My answer?
"If you love me you will not disappoint me"...""Show me you're a real whore...fuck me first...THEN you get payment, ooops I mean "gifts" you want.
While we both go to Ukraine, both have had s lot of success, and even some of our experiences seem nearly identical - something about our technique is completely different.
Of all the girls I have dated, met at Romance Socials, or even met on lovefoto.ru (my single regular source of backup where I haven't met a girl at a Romance Social) - not one of them has "begged" for a gift, or requested anything for Chiristmas.
A few are aware that I am planning a return trip (becasue I told them) and they have asked to see me - but not one - not even my 21 year old (the #1 by far reason I am going back, because I am crazy about her) has requested anything.
I ASKED the my girl what her favorite perfume was - three times - before she told me. She wouldn't tell me sooner because its expensive, she said, and she didn't want me spending that much money on her. (In reality - though its a name brand - its a CHEAP name brand - its Burberry).
Seriously - when I hear of outlandish requests girls make to guys - like you refer to in your post - I consider myself lucky. Ukrainian girls might have a reputation for this, but I haven't experienced it this Christmas season or any other.
Okay - after I wrote my post I did come up with a ridiculous request made to me by a woman and it was accompanied by your "If you are a real man..." thing.
In April I flew into Dontesk for some Romance Social - my exfiance, a girl I have known since 2007 but have not "been with" (if you know what I mean) since 2009, happens to live sometime with her grandmother there - so I intended to spend the last few days with her.
I knew that she had lost her job, so after, we had already agreed to meet and spend five days together she suddenly made a request for $300 for "medical expenses". Re flags went flying of course, but since I had known this woman for 5 years, had had a two year VERY serious relationship with her, and she had never EVER requested a single penny from me before. Even when we were engaged, I never supported her monthly, which I actually regret because I should have. She was struggling more than I realized at the time. So I very reluctantly agreed to help her out with $300 BECAUSE we were planning to spend the five days together. This was the trip when one of my ATM cards did not work and the other had been eaten by an ATM. She knew I was getting by on the cash I had - so I was to send her the $300 when I returned to America.
Common sense should tell you its NEVER a good idea to go back to an ex - but I sometimes lack common sense.
On the second day - she became furious with me because I sat on the bed sheets in my street clothes. She said "I will never lay on those sheets. Now they are dirty." She left in a huff to return home (she lives with her parents) vowing she could never be with a man who sits on cleam bed sheets. Later she claimed that she was also furious because though I walked her to her taxi - I didn't open the door for her (she got there first).
Anyway - she didn't come by the next day. The day after I SMSd her asking what happened . She reiterated that she could never be with a man who sits in his street jeans on clean bed sheets. I told her "Fine. But since you walked out on me I hoep you realize there isn't a chance that I am going to send you that $300." She was FURIOUS. She insisted I had tricked her (I maintained it was the other way around). She insisted it was for medical expense and that "A real man keeps his promises." I insisted that, that all promises are off when a woman walks out after two days and leaves a man to ROT for three days.
By this time she was in Mariupol - where her parents live - so she said she could not come back. I said "Fine. But don't expect a penny from me."
And of course I never gave her a penny. And I haven't seen her again. Though she did want to see me again in September.
When she said "A real man doesn't break his promise." I said "A real man doesn't PAY a woman to abandon him and treat him like crap."
She tld me she had borrowed the mone from her uncle - in anticipation of me paying her back when I got to America and now she was in a dire situation, because she couldn't pay it back.
What a tight arse!
$300.00 is a big deal to you, right?
To help a woman that you know is genuinely struggling after being with her for two years of a 'real relationship', right?
But, think..The '15' out of '1to 10' scale was charging $300.00 for an hour..This was more of a fantasy to try and dage the '15' instead of just fucking the whore, like what you should have done..A condom on each finger, two on your tongue and three on little buddy..Job done!
Yep, you're the problem.
And I like the way you said you lack common sense. I AGREE with you.
Jet, you’re right,,,, the girl became an ex for a reason. There is more to lose than anything to gain.
I have a story of a girl pushing the limits too.
After some shopping, we decided to visit the grocery store for a few things. I had several bags from the other stores, three bags in one hand, one or two in my right and trying to put my money back into my wallet. The store is busy,, so I’m moving and putting my money away,,, and my girl asks me;,,, Don’t you want to take my bag??? She had her purse and one bag!!! I didn’t say a word,,, but I was pissed.
I was also bothered by the situation,, I don’t like having bags from other stores while shopping. Plus, this store had police or security by the doors,,,, checking half of the people who left the store. Maybe that’s a normal day in Ukraine,,, but not for me.
Jet, you’re right,,,, the girl became an ex for a reason. There is more to lose than anything to gain.
I have a story of a girl pushing the limits too.
After some shopping, we decided to visit the grocery store for a few things. I had several bags from the other stores, three bags in one hand, one or two in my right and trying to put my money back into my wallet. The store is busy,, so I’m moving and putting my money away,,, and my girl asks me;,,, Don’t you want to take my bag??? She had her purse and one bag!!! I didn’t say a word,,, but I was pissed.
I was also bothered by the situation,, I don’t like having bags from other stores while shopping. Plus, this store had police or security by the doors,,,, checking half of the people who left the store. Maybe that’s a normal day in Ukraine,,, but not for me.
once, my exboyfriend borrowed some money from me smth about $150 but that's big money for my salary, hi promiced he'll pay me back in few days, after few days I said ok where is my money? He asked me to wait a little bit longer. After couple weeks I started almost yell at him. Then he paid me back. And after we broke up in a year or smth. My mom told me that she gave him those money :( We were living together for 2 years when that happened. So not only Russian girls want your money, but guys do too...
I think Jet has the intuition of finding just the right girls. Jet do you tell indirectly upfront that you don't give gifts or they just don't ask you?
Paulx: I can't really answer you about how to find just the right girl who isn't into gifts and asking for money but I must admit I have done pretty well.
I also want to stipulate that its very important to put limits on when you DO promise a gift. I have story that demonstrates this right now.
Okay, I am in Ukraine, and I forgot to bring along my digital camera. It one of those thing I realized on the airplane. I looked at some shops in the airport but my God those places have markups.
I don't NEED another digital camera. I have three digital cameras of varying types. But I didn't want to miss shots of my girl so I said "Tell you what. Lets go get a camera and since I don't really need it - when we part you can have it." SHE was all in favor.
They have big box electronic with brand name camersa going for reasonable prices. A 12 megapixel Fuji was 500 grievna ($62.50) another - a Sony was going for 700 grievna ($87.50). They are both small pocket size cameras, easy to bring along anywhere.
The girl says nonchalantly I had a camera like that and it broke. This time I want one like this - and she starts poking at professional cameras at 2,500 grienvas and 3,500 grievnas. ($312.50 and $437.50 respectively if I did the math right in my head). Of course the commsioned camera sales guy gt wind of this and is telling her that the cameras even have GPS function that will imprint on the digital file and help her find her way out of the Sahara - he is even showing her more expensive cameras and her face is lighting up.
All I wanted was something better than my mobile phone - and giving it to her afterward was an after thought. So I told her that I hadn't meant ANYTHINH like that and pointed to a camera that was 999 grievna ($125) (a Canon on sale from 1,500 grievna) and said "Thats as high as I am going". Kicking myself for not explaining to her better previously.
She was thrilled as could be with the $125 camera - and we walked around the store as the salesman gave the battery a half charge.
Then we walked home and she took pictures of EVERYTHING on the way - park benches, birds, dogs, buildings, monument. She took 45 pictures before we got home.
Paulx - I give reasonable gifts as surpises, when they a least expected, They love the suprise.
If the girls is ASKING you for money - consider it a request for payment. You are making a commercial transaction and both people involved should realize that and be happy with the trade.
Of course in special circumstances you can help out - but NOT if they treat you like crap - it doesn't cost her anything to be nice and cosdierate to you in her attitute. And if she can't be that - she doesn't deserve the help.
Where we weatern men get into trouble is that we try to make money - to make up for our precieved shortcomings (she's young and beautiful and you aren't). That never works. You can't BUY a womans love for any price. And you are simply seting yourself up for a scam.
"Where we weatern men get into trouble is that we try to make money - to make up for our precieved shortcomings (she's young and beautiful and you aren't). That never works. You can't BUY a womans love for any price. And you are simply seting yourself up for a scam."
" Our Perceived shortcomings "
Speak for yourself there, buddy!
" Setting yourself up for a scam "
i guess people can look at that in another way...10 years roadrunnin' and paying AFA for socials only ( when in fact, most of the women attending AFA scam socials are not verified )
Jetmba, opens a new topic called ' Anastasia socials suck! "..Is this because the number of women are smaller then the AFA 'party girls' and the Anastasia Girls are just as real as the AFA hookers?
Why is it that everytime I write, little twerp "smart a" writes a comment?
I mean, its not as if he has ever said anything useful here in this forum. Though I must admit - I haven't read his drivel for a while.
Is the guy a stalker?
Is that why he can't seem to succeed with women ANYWHERE?
Why does a complete failure want to come here and comment at all?
As another oster wrote recently - there ARE some guys who look to Eastern Europe but will never succeed there because they have such inherent personality flaws that they will NEVER succeed with women ANYWHERE. Those guys inevitably blame their troubls on "scammers" and "agencies" and everyone else because they cannot face the fact that its THEM!
I have never had a trouble with a scammer, or an agency. And I haven't spent the last five years crying about some lady I messed up with.
Maybe "smart a" should simple tattoo "LOSER" on his forehead - as if women don't see it in him already.
I do admit part of my motivation in writing here and telling about the wonderful times I have had is to have this clown writhing in jealousy like he is. I like to tease my stalker.
" Why is it that everytime I write, little twerp "smart a" writes a comment? "
There is nothing wrong with this, you did it, with the support of Martin Colman. I don't need anybodies support to post a comment on the Fiance.Com Coyote ( Jetmba. )
"I mean, its not as if he has ever said anything useful here in this forum. "
What about the drivel from your buddy in the Philippines? The poor old fool is yearning to be seen as successful.
"Though I must admit - I haven't read his drivel for a while. "
No, that's not true, you must read my comments to your comments because I can see that you're NOT the type of person, people on the forum need to learn from, as in not what to do. If people on the forum do the complete opposite to you, they won't spent the next 10 years of their lives roadrunnin' in pursuit of having a princess/model 'trophy' bride that is 25-35 years younger then him..Because this is the real reason why you have spent the last 10 years roadrunnin'. ( Coyote Jetmba. )
" Is that why he can't seem to succeed with women ANYWHERE? "
I think that probably sums yourself up the best.
You make up excuses why you're not interested in USA women, but the truth is, they are not interested in you.
So, Jetmba. got 'sucked in' to the sales pitch from AFA and you went of a tour and the hookers at the AFA socials luv'd ya!..Luv'd ya as a sucker, thats all..And for the last 10 years, thats all the women see in you, sucker!
" Why does a complete failure want to come here and comment at all? "
Look in the mirror and say that.
What you should be doing is giving out travelling advice and hotel/motel advice to the people on the forum, instead of the ' drum roll pleeeaasssee' post.
Your drum roll posting revealed beyond any doubt that you're a dreamer and a big fool as well.
You don't know the difference between a scammer and scamming agencies because your that desperate, you'll take anything in a short skirt that 25 years old. ( And Jetmba.'s howlin' for you ).............................( pissing myself laughing on the floor)................-_-......................
Your 'wonderful times' belong in 'Lonely Jetmba's Eastern 3rd World countries travel giude'. After all, you waste all your money travelling into a 3rd World country in pursuit of young/hot babes.
AND, after 10 years, you're still single!........I think you're the FSU stalker....( Jetmba. Coyote )....
I know this week I will be santa claus in Ukraine. I have one bag that is nothing but stuff to give away. 2 iphones, 3 computers, purses, lingere, portable hard drives and other things people have requested in past few weeks. Needless to say I will receive good thank you;)
sometimes I feel like the scammer as Im giving things that cost twice as much in Ukraine so Im really being laid cheap multiple times.
However, most is for "my kids" in Kherson and I get only happy smiles and sincere thank you's in return but for them I am getting the joy.
Of course in western countries its normal to breakup for christmas to avoid buying gifts, right?
I see "smart a" in stalking me again - and what appears to be a lot of incoherent random keystrokes after that.
Apparently he beat his tiny wussy hands on his keyboard again, screaming out "Why do women hate me everywhere!" until enough miscellaneous characters were recorded to resemble a legitimate post.
They say that if you put an infinite number of chimpanzees in a room with typerwriters and give them infinite time, eventually they will turn out the complete works of William Shakespeare.
But then again "smart a" only aspires to be as bright as a chimp. So a legitimate post might take him longer. He also has to take regular breaks to whine about AFA, agencies, scammers, and some girl who did him wrong HALF A DECADE ago, so his keyboard beating is a little slower.
A TWENTIETH of a CENTURY ago it happened - and he is still whining about it, and jealous of EVERYONE'S success.
Moyarishka: With all due respect "Smart a" isn't American (thank God), though five years later he is still whining about a lady, apparently the ONLY lady he has ever met in Ukraine.
Crying about agencies and scammers and how everything is wrong. He is just one big Boo-hoo boy.
I AM an American however, and I have NOTHING to whine about, regarding my experiences in Ukraine. I have had some of the best times of my life. And I have met the most incredible ladies.