Jet, I bought a girl a pair of ear rings for Valentine’s Day,,,, the last day of four, on my first visit to meet her.
WHAT SEX???? Still don’t get it???? I’m looking for something BETTER!! Not WHORES!!!!
I told the 5 women I went to see that year, that I had several cities to visit,,, and I didn’t want to be thought of,,, as the foreign man who came to USE them,,, instead of meeting them!!
Still don’t get it???? Any girl who jumps in bed on a first visit, can stay where she is!!
I’ve heard the stories from the girls, taxi drivers, hotel staff, interpreters, and other foreign guys I’ve run into. They all hate the sex tourists being all over their women. Sure,, they love the money they make off of it,,, and won’t do anything to change it. But when they open up about foreign men,,,, WOW,,, they hate our/“your” fuxking guts!!!
The girls are so damn gun-shy about their first meeting with foreign men, because of guys like you! It’s one of their excuses they use to always want to meet with an interpreter. Their girlfriends tell them horror stories about creepy old perverts, who only came for sex!!
One girl I met, said all guys she had met with before, were ONLY there for FUN AND GAMES!!! When she realized that I was SERIOUS, she panicked and drank herself out of consideration. I could never bring her home!!
Other girls,,,, and several interps said; Don’t treat us/them like prostitutes!! They didn’t want to meet at a hotel because of the stigma that goes with meeting with foreign men!!
Why can’t you understand that I am looking for someone that I can bring home???
Rick,,, tell me,,, what is the difference between this guy and Jet?? I am actually asking for you to tell me the difference,,,, if any!!
Jet has an extra year in the age gap! Jet expects to find out if the girl is a virgin or not,, (test driving) not necessarily a requirement,,,, but he wants the opportunity to find out!!! And if she isn’t serious,,, he has Miss plan B and C waiting for him, off of a hookup site?!?!?!
Only one girl I ever met - did I sleep with on a first visit (a first trip).
And its not about the sex - if you are throwing money at a girl to get her attention, then you will ALWAYS be expected to throw money at her. It will not stop when you marry. Because if you STOP throwing money at her, once started, you will not be the man "she fell in love" with.
I read earlier in this thread that Looney was on AFA's website and saw the type of man that they cater to. What Looney is STILL to dense to realize, no matter how many times I say it - is I DON'T WRITE TO GIRLS! Not on AFA's website or any other. I DON'T CHOOSE from the profiles on AFA's website either.
I meet girls IN PERSON. NOT from PROFILES! Is that so difficult to get Looney? In PERSON!!!
You give "talking to a brick wall" a whole new meaning.
No doubt YOU know AFA's website better than I do. I ONLY use it to check the scedule on when European Romance Socials are held. THATS IT!
Dating websites like that are for dreamers, who want to pick a girl ffrom a catalog and hope that she has all the features advertised. THATS where the idea of a mial-order bride comes from. Of course, once you show up in Ukraine to check out the model you have selected - she will be missing some feature or her warranty will not be what you expected.
I go and meet the girls FACE to FACE for the very first time. Just like YOUR parents probably met. A Romance Social only makes it easier. Did your DAD choose your MOM from a PROFILE PAGE? I doubt it.
I have about 25 friends who have met their wives in the FSU.
Only one of them met his wife by writing to her, from a profile. This guy actually met his wife through fiance.com and their listings.
ALL of the others I know either met their wives through Romance Socials, or in some other way by meeting a girl face to face for the very first time while in Ukraine or Russia. WITHOUT ever seeing the girl on a profile page before meeting.
I have DEFINED sex-tourist for Looney - using the UN's definition. I have explained, what it is. I have shown him that it means going places and BUYING sex, not just having sex with girls who happen to want to be with you. But nothing sinks in.
I bet Looney drove his teachers crazy. I bet it took him till the eighth grade to be able to spell his own name.
Looney's definition of a sex-tourist is, "Anybody having more sex in a foreign country than Looney is."
By THAT definition I (and probably everybody but "smart a") qualify.
" Correction - TWO women I had sex with on a first trip. Sorry - I forgot about one. "
And both of these tarts would have been at an AFA ( biggest bullshit site on the web ) socials..
Fuck!, these tarts must have be desperate to want to bang ol' jetmba. coyote.
Hmmmm, now let me see, the first on past out from a drug overdose and jetmba. coyote jumped on, the second was blind and thought it was her guide dog humping her, because she could still smell the same old dog breath and heavy panting.
if a girl has sex with you because she really wants you its not sex tourism, its just nature.
believe it or not, lots of girls are willing to spend 2 weeks with a great guy for no other reason than the experience of it.
I still fondly remember the trysts I had as an 18 year old guy. there was no expectation of any future together, it was just
fun to spend time together with a hot girl knowing it wasnt forever but determined to make every minute count.
nearly 30 years later being able to experience such a wonderful thing again is magical. It may be a 2 week or monthlong affair
but its still just as wonderful today as it was then.
Not every man is able to pull off such fantasies due to his own personal limitations but why throw insults at those of us
who are able to do this. I really think that most guys casting dispersions on us are simply jealous. If you could spend 2 weeks or a month with
a little 18 year old hottie, NONE of you would turn it down! are you crazy????
Dont hate those of us who are doing what you only wish you could do
“if you are throwing money at a girl to get her attention, then you will ALWAYS be expected to throw money at her. It will not stop when you marry. Because if you STOP throwing money at her, once started, you will not be the man "she fell in love" with.”
Jet,,, what you said is true,,,, but I had it covered!! The 2nd year when I did spend money on her, because she really did need the help,, I told her: that this isn’t something we can do everyday. I was 100% honest with her.
She did need the help too, she lost like 10 to 20lbs, dressed poorly, and had a very good appetite. I changed that. I have no regrets. I’d like to think that I helped keep her off of the streets.
“I read earlier in this thread that Looney was on AFA's website and saw the type of man that they cater to. What Looney is STILL to dense to realize, no matter how many times I say it - is I DON'T WRITE TO GIRLS! Not on AFA's website or any other. I DON'T CHOOSE from the profiles on AFA's website either. “
Who said anything about writing????
I didn’t look at the dating/correspondence part,,, I looked through the Romance tour part of it. The photos of the tours, and the testimonials of the “satisfied” customers.
I’m not a complete stranger to the socials,,,, I know I don’t ever want to go on another tour. But I won’t rule out meeting a girl a few days before a social,,, just incase the meeting didn’t go well,,, I could still attend one??
“No doubt YOU know AFA's website better than I do. I ONLY use it to check the scedule on when European Romance Socials are held. THATS IT!”
Wrong again!!! I never wrote a single letter on that site,,, loveme or lovessa.com. But I do check those sites from time to time,,, to see if I SHOULD”T write to a girl. I won’t write to a girl who is on several sites.
" told the 5 women I went to see that year, that I had several cities to visit,,, and I didn’t want to be thought of,,, as the foreign man who came to USE them,,, instead of meeting them!!"
I have NEVER told a girl that I was coming to visit her as part of a visit of FIVE girls in FIVE cities. You don't get what you are doing to these girls? You are basically saying to them "You have a one in five chance of being a girl I come back for. So you better impress me now in whatever way you can or I am moving on to the next one!"
THATS what makes women nervous and uncomfortable. THATS why they want an interpreter. THATS "sex shopping" as part of sex tourism. The girl wonders "Will he come back if I don't sleep with him? What is he expecting? Is this my only chance? What do I do?!?"
And THATS why the locals hate our guts - because of guys like YOU who go girl shopping!
If a man comes only for sex, as you claim, a girl would have no problem at all recognizing that and turning him down. Do you think they are all virgins? Do you think there IS no sex in Eastern Europe except from western guys? Do you think LOCAL men haven't been coming on to them since they were 14?
If a man is PAYING them for sex you might have a point. But since I don't PAY them for sex with money OR earrings (and you do). ("He's given me expensive earrings. Am I expected to sleep with him in return? What is he expecting? What should I do?!") Its pretty clear which of us, you or me, is the problem. Its YOU!
And this sentence:
"When she realized that I was SERIOUS, she panicked and drank herself out of consideration. I could never bring her home!! "
Are you serious? You think a girl realized that you were serious and panicked into drinking herself out of consideration? What kind of invernted ridiculous psychology is that? Who TOLD you she panicked and drank herself out of consideration? Or did you just come up with that logic on your own? Either way, thats funny.
" The photos of the tours, and the testimonials of the “satisfied” customers. "
Kindly point out which testamonials were offensive and why.
Clearly the men giving the testamonials didn't think they were offensive and AFA wouldn't have published them had they thought they were offensive - but if you have a difference of opinion, share it with us specifically. Don't just make generalizations.
Rick4girl says: "if a girl has sex with you because she really wants you its not sex tourism, its just nature."
EXACTLY. If a girl likes you in Ukraine, or in your hometown, and wants to freely have sex with you, for no promises, no money - just because she likes your company and YOU, then what's wrong with it? If HER free will, and YOUR free will!
Its EXACTLY JEALOUSY that makes men cast dispersion on other men who are able to do this because THEY CAN'T.
Just because a man is a TOURIST and having SEX - does not make him a SEX TOURIST. Any more than a GIRL who happens to be your FRIEND - is actually your GIRLFRIEND. It just doesn't work that way.
A sex toursit is one who goes to a foreign land to PAY for SEX - often with children - because he can't get that sort of thing where he lives.
And by the way - Ukrainian man HATE foreign men who give expenisve earrings because they know that THEY can't afford to do it. THAT IS BUYING women and locals hate it.
There are THREE reasons a woman in the FSU would likely have sex with a visiting foreigner. And these are those reasons.
#1. If you PAY her. If she needs the money. You offer the money (or gift) and she thinks its expected of her - or it IS expected of her.
#2. If she is desperate and you make false promises to her that you will "rescue her". This will ONLY work is she really is desperate. And you are a liar without a conscience.
#3. If she likes you and wants to.
You are low-life sex-tourist, if you get a woman to do it for reason #1 or #2.
But if you do it for reason #3 thats perfectly fine.
I have gone to Western European countries and just had random hook-up's many times when I was in the Navy. Its called being human and it usually happens when you are not expecting it at all. 90% of the time I am just going out to have fun when it does happen. When your out looking for it they can sense it and you seem like a horny puppy and desperate. You meet a girl that can speak English, who is very charming and you get a mini crush and things happen and you try to stay in contact but long working schedules and distance kills it every time.
I actually have a friend from Malta to this day from 13 years ago that started that way and we are friends to this day.
EXACTLY - it IS Amsterdam style window shopping to tell a girl that you have five girls in five cities to visit, like Looney does. Any SELF RESPECTING girl would tell him to just MOVE ONE - and keep shopping!
But it sounds like one he mentions above had to get drunk in order to consider sleeping with him as thats what he seemed to be expecting.
Jet,,,,, are you completely off of your rocker????
It was 5 women in 4 cities, and I only had 18 days originally and had to extend it to 22. Wouldn’t the women think it odd, that I traveled all that distance to only spend 3 or 4 days with them??
I chose to be honest with them!! I can see why you are confused again!!
I go out of my way to make sure I don’t come across to be someone like you.
I was 100% honest with them before and after the trip. They knew I was ONLY there to MEET them.
What sex tourism,,, what sex shopping???
I hope everyone can see what JETMBA focuses on,,,, it’s always the sex part!! A truly sick individual!!
Gifts for sex?? If a gift was given,,, it was at the end of my stay!! If I wanted to see them again, I gave them a gift to remember me by. Those expensive ear rings were given during the last moments of the visit!! Where and when was she suppose to sleep with me?? In the taxi on the way to the airport?????
You already know this,,, so why is it an issue again??