Here’s something I found on fb about the school shooting, the AR-15 was never used.
“So they finally had to come out and admit it, now that the Coroner has released some info along with police.
An AR-15, or the so-called "Assault Weapon", was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his Mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports, right after the shooting, that police found the AR-15 in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The rifle was not used. The shooter went into the school with 4 handguns, NOT an Assault Rifle as the media has charged. I remember in the initial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the rifle in the car. But the Administration-controlled MSM had a pre-planned attack already waiting, to ban so-called assault weapons and jumped on that line of reporting, knowing it was a lie, which included people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun. Could it be that the Democrat Liberals and THEIR MEDIA were pushing for the new law, hoping they could do it, before the Coroner released the info? Absolutely.
I'm not sure who's more evil, an insane person who kills innocent people, or a media who purposefully misleads the public in order to push their agenda.”
It is not an argument of statistics or justification of possession. It is basic to the American experience,,,which has changed the world from a feudal and opressive existance of all Men. The right to life, liberty and property, regardless of a threat from an individual or government. The American experience is rooted in the British rule of law and the freedom of the American Indian. Any person or government that looses respect for that premise, is in fact in the cross-hairs. That is the intent of the second amendment and shall not be infringed
My wish is that guns are not to sold to anybody know matter how your social values is. Hear in Ghana guns are not sold in public, so we have leas crime in our community.that what should happen are over the world.
Stalin was able to kill tens of millions of Russians and several million Ukrainians simply because no one had weapons to
make the purge more painful for those coming at night to take you away.
During the October revolution people were disarmed and subsequently killed en masse. A formal gun ban came in 1929 which even made
soldiers keep all guns locked up when not actually fighting.
Most gun crimes in Russia and Ukraine are with illegally obtained weapons.
A 16-year-old who lived in Loudoun County, Va., was shot and killed when he accidentally entered the wrong house.
Caleb Gordley, a popular athlete who had been living in a brick house with his parents and sister for about a year, sneaked out of his house to go to a party with friends after he'd been grounded for not cleaning his room.
When he returned around 2 a.m. he slipped into the house he thought was his. Friends said he had been drinking and mistook his neighbor’s similar house two doors down for his own and climbed in through the back window.
When the burglar alarm sounded, the homeowner treated Caleb as an intruder, and shot and killed him.
“The parents of a Sterling teenager who was shot to death by a neighbor early Sunday say they don't fault the man who killed their son.
Caleb Gordley, 16, was a three-sport athlete at Parkview High school and an aspiring rap artist.
After a night of partying, the teenager mistakenly entered the house two doors down from his own and was shot by the homeowner, who believed the boy was an intruder, according to a statement from Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office.
"I want you to know sir, I forgive you," said Jennea Gordley, Caleb's mother. "I understand this was an accident. I truly believe everything happens for a reason. My son, he's an angel."
Caleb's parents met with reporters Tuesday to provide their understanding of the incident and to remember their son.”
Seevakumaran's plan was to flush students out into the hallways, and open fire on them with multiple weapons and homemade bombs.
When the police arrived, they rescued Babakhani from the bathroom and then found Seevakumaran dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. In the apartment, they found a handgun, assault weapon, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and a high capacity drum magazine, as well as four homemade improvised explosive devices that were lined with shrapnel.
Write. Now I get why so many of you guys can't find a great woman. You are all a bunch of fags who are turning your right AND RESPONSIBILITY of protecting your family over to police who will show up 40 minutes after you are dead or your wife is raped. Even our first idiot in DC s justice dept says guns are used over 450,000 times per year to stop criminals who have broken into a house while the resident is home. The justice dept says that guns are used in total about 900,000 times per year to stop a felony NOT INCLUDING POLICE. They further continue that 2/3rds of shot felons are shot by private citizens, not police.
I mean we could institute a ban like the UK or Australia if we really wanted to take the fame of the highest violent crime rate of the industrialized world, but I'm cool the way things are.
"Well I see the tv shows on America and the slime that lives there.... I'm just glad Australia has tough gun laws ... You like living where you can get shot for walking in the wrong place ...glad I don't ... America is in a downward slide and I think its good ... The sooner Korea Finnish you of the better"
Such stupidity. Against gun laws, and for nuclear weapons. Goes by TV shows to judge the whole country. Even if Korea is capable of launching such a missile, which they are not (at least, not yet) there are at least 5 major air force bases and various nuclear submarines to intercept.
Durak,,, you really need to tell us where you are getting your numbers from,, because mine are showing that countries with more gun laws have more crime,,,,, perhaps,,, just not more gun crime??
We have the 2nd amendment for a reason! We The People,,,, not Big Brother the Government. I do not trust our current administration,,,,, I think he belongs in GITMO. And color has nothing to do with it!
Don’t be so eager to give away your rights and everyone’s else’s rights!
I have no intentions in becoming part of,,,,,, We The Sheeple!!!
The percentage of crime is not 300% higher than the U.K. or Australia, just the number of crimes committed using a firearm. In the U.K. for instance a criminal will use a knife or a bat to hold up a gas station clerk instead of a .45 . I kid goes into an elementary school and kills almost 30 children with a firearm and in China a man walks into an elementary school and stabs almost 30 children to death with a knife. Also not the poverty, 90% crime happens in the poorest part of the cities, or by dirt poor American citizens, you rarely hear about middle class or rich citizens robbing the corner 7-11. While being a modern country we are top heavy with the rich and the middle class is swindling down further and further into the poor class, with poverty comes lack of education, with lack of education comes crime, that it. You might have your crazies that do it just to do it but they only make up .0001 of the total crime. You can't bane guns, its impossible, I swear to you right now that I know a few places to find guns no matter what law was passed and if I can I am sure Mr. Badguy can also.
The category of violent crime for which the best international comparative data are available, is murder, or more precisely, "Intentional homicide ... defined as unlawful death purposefully inflicted on a person by another person."
From the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, using the most recent year for which data has been compiled (essentially, 2010):
Australia: 1.0 per 100,000 inhabitants
United Kingdom: 1.2 per 100,000 inhabitants
United States: 4.8 per 100,000 inhabitants
The US murder rate is 300% greater than that of the UK, and 380% greater than that of Australia. These numbers MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO DISTINCTION WHAT KIND OF WEAPON (IF ANY) WAS USED. Therefore, they ARE NOT comparisons of gun vs. non-gun violence.
Note: The US rate has been declining in recent years; the rates for UK and Australia have been fairly steady, so the comparison is probably similar for 2011 and 2012, with the percentages lower, but still multiples of those other countries.
If I did the computation wrong, kindly show where the error is, or admit that the numbers are correct.
If there is a problem with data, kindly explain where the error is, or admit that the US has a drastically higher murder rate.
If you don't understand how to do a web search, I am willing to help you learn.
PS Where the fuck you do guys get your "data", Fox News?
PPS For those who are too stupid to understand this, I have stated on this forum NO POSITION WHATSOEVER concerning gun laws. I have presented some information that, as far as I can tell, is as accurate and truthful as can be found. If you feel threatened by truth, well, time to look in the mirror!
Durak,,, you seem to be in favor of gun control like the UK and Australia has,, and if so,, then you are giving your rights away! Defenseless people become “Sheeple”!
I do not consider the UN to be a reliable non biased source of information! They are pushing for that world wide arms treaty from the late 1990’s, so I think they are very biased. Normally, something like that would never be approved here,, but it has plenty of support from our current administration.
Gun crimes in this country are much higher that they should be, mostly due to gang crime. It is already illegal for criminals to own or possess firearms,,,, but they do it anyway! That should be enough proof that gun control laws only affect law abiding people,,, not criminals!
“I have stated on this forum NO POSITION WHATSOEVER concerning gun laws. “
Are you sure about that?? You seem very opposed to those who are in favor of less gun control?!
You have even resorted to insults and cussing,,,,, a tactic normally reserved for those who have a weak argument.
"You seem very opposed to those who are in favor of less gun control?"
Because I dispute falsehoods? I have written on this thread only about FACTS, not policy. Show one statement where I took a position on the laws, or admit that you are writing damned lies.
I am opposed to false information, whoever puts it out, and whatever cause they have in mind. Even if I am in 100% favor of some position, if someone tries to defend it with falsehoods, I will call them out.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, one of the most intelligent people ever to serve in national government, famously said that we are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. If you have EVIDENCE that murder rates in Australia or the UK are more than a fraction of those in the USA, show us!
This comes back to what I wrote here weeks ago: IF YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH FACT FROM MANIPULATIVE PROPAGANDA, YOU WILL GET YOUR ASS HANDED TO YOU IN FSU DATING. Mistaking fantasies for facts is EXACTLY the problem.
I don't resent anyone for being ignorant. But we all have the power to educate ourselves, and failing to study and learn truth is irresponsible and lazy. Man up, dudes!