LR and men,
That inexpensive roundtrip is on a return in three days only on dates he stated. If you want to stay a week it jumps double the price or more and a seven hour layover coming back .
IF you are flying from the mid-west or west, there are many options Dallas, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit or the eastern coastal hubs. With connections in Europe and London, there are many good options of smaller airlines.
The picture is of Rodan,,,, Godzilla's nemesis in the old Japanese sci-fi movies of the 50's and 60's
It's not likely to fly on a Tupolev except on internal flights. Poland and Iran I think were the last to accept them for service. Both have had recent chashes involving them. I fly Aeroflot often, London to Simferopol,,, they use Airbus craft.
Cut everyone's pay, Amelda needs a new line of shoes
It's not quite as bad, as all that. I'm guessing you don't use kayak?
I found 7 April to 14 April for $628 with both legs under 14 hours, and practical layover times.
But in any case, anchoring to one particular date doesn't give a true picture of the fare situation. It often happens that people are nailed down to certain travel dates, but if you have a little flexibility, it is often possible to find quite good options within two days or so of what you had in mind.
From my searches, these nicely priced flights are available any time in the next month. However, we can expect that fares will rise closer to $800 as summer approaches -- anyway, that's the normal seasonal pattern.
@durak
"The bravioavia.com.ua website (from Moyarishka's link) is priced in UAH, generally very close to 8 to the USD, so the fares look to be the same as would be found on aeroflot.com"
Sorry thought it was rub.....but at 6113uah then cost in USD is $751, quite a bit more than ranger's quote or from Aeroflot site.
Durak, did you forget LA? We have non-stop to Moscow. Maybe only city in that part of country to have??
In fact, I try never to have connecting flights in US( adds 3 hours to flight).....first stop in Europe, be it Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt...and I love the planes with the small screen TV in front of you....a couple movies and bang your in Europe.
BTW durak, that for addl info. Also, my LAX-KBP took 14.5 hours total
To me big change is internal flights, now UIA has monopoly and can charge as it feels, no choices. If I don't decide much in advance then ticket price leaps, jeez close to $300 for one way KBP-ODS??? I wonder if bus and train people get wise and raise their prices....the demand will be higher.
@rodan
It is possible for tupolev can be used on flight mos-kbp. Any longer flights use airbus 319, 320, 330's.
sunvolt...best time to check is on Tue or Wed when new fares come out. Usually cheapest fares are midweek to midweek. I like Wed-Mon/Tues for 1,2 or 3 weeks. depending on when airline flies also.
This trip I saved $150 on ticket by leaving on a Thurs. Got to play with dates...and check often. My savings was gone the next day!!!! I checked.
1) When I checked bravoavia, one of the options was just about 5000 UAH, right in line with the dollar fares.
2) Is Los Angeles really part of the USA? It doesn't seem to belong, somehow :) Of course, if you live in the west, such flights are an option. But even so, it's often cheaper to fly east to NYC, and thence to eastern Europe. And that would be my choice, even if it means two changes. For me, the 9 hour flights from Moscow to NYC are miserable, 12+ solid hours between LAX and Moscow would be an ordeal. It's interesting to see that the best fares from LAX are not much more expensive than from NYC.
3) I also worry about fares going up for domestic flights in Ukraine. Hopefully, the competition from surface transportation (trains & taxis) will make some restraint.
4) Russia started phasing out Tupolevs years ago. I would guess that by now, no major airline is flying them. It seems to me at least 3 years since I made a flight on one. Nowadays, everything seems to be Boeing, Airbus, or for some short-haul flights, Antonov. But I suppose there may still be some in Ukraine -- anyway, UIA doesn't have any Antonovs in its fleet.
BTW, I think the Tu-134/154s were quite good planes, though I did keep bumping my head on the short doorways. Russia decided to get rid of them because they were in so many crashes, which I believe was more a matter of the operating standards of the small airlines flying them, than the planes themselves. However, there was one very ugly crash (the Pulkovo 612 disaster in Ukraine back in 2006), in which a western airline might have survived on the strength of the stall-prevention systems required on rear-engined jet transports.
5) The magic changing fare is a real source of stress! Kayak now shows a prediction whether the fare for a particular flight is likely to rise or fall in the next 7 days. Is it more accurate than tossing a coin? Don't know. My policy (based on experience): if I see a good fare for dates I know will work for me, better to grab it.
Reservations are now subject to no-fee cancellation within 24 hours, so you can book something even if you are not certain. I THINK this applies to all flights operating in the US, even for international travel -- but do confirm this, before relying on it!
Do you have data on the pay for AeroSvit's former workers, compared to the pay of people doing comparable work in Ukraine? Without that data, how is it possible to conclude that unions are to blame?
One member of AeroSvit's board has blamed the unions, but the head of the board, in talking about the company's financial problems, didn't mention the unions at all.
When a company dies, it is easy for management to blame anybody except themselves, so it is a mistake to take such claims at face value, without supporting data."
What data do you want? Like you did in the "gun" thread? LR did not believe your data, but I accepted it. What I don't believe is that you can make a better conclusion giving data for one set of facts. You need many data from many facts or your data is useless. I can give you data that Babe Ruth was a lousy hitter by giving you data on his strikeouts.
I submit to you that this is simply about money. You could use the Rodan Tsunami argument that it is much more complex, but what does management manage? Everything they manage points to money, and the biggest are labor costs. You don't believe management? Why believe the unions?
"AeroSvit, in turn, has blamed trade unions for driving up staff wages so much that they became one of the key factors leading to its downfall." http://goo.gl/lB0k8
You have seen the unions destroy the auto industry, haven't you? GM and Ford found it more profitable in Mexico. The unions will not lower their salary and benefit requirements to bring back the factories to the much needed job seekers in the US. Businesses operate on the bottom line, not for the employees. If the bottom line is not there, there would not be a business and there would be no employees.
Locally, the teacher unions are the same. They don't have the money to pay for more teachers, and they will not concede to lower salary and benefits. I know how much these teachers get paid. I am related to many. It is not defensible in the face of high unemployment. Some have health insurance with no co-payment. That is unheard of in private industry.
The same thing happened to Twinkie. Again, they used the Rodan Tsunami argument. It is complex. But all of is about labor costs and it is money.
Now, I have to grow my own Twinkie. Anyone know where I can get Twinkie seeds?
You need to redirect response to Durak. It was he that posted what you responded to. I have only a one fact. The Unions do not run the company. They negotiate a wage and benefit package that is agreed upon by the Board and is none of my business or yours.
By the way, the public employees unions are my business. They negotiate with the politicians for their employees and the taxpayer who foots the bill is rarely represented.
Beemer,, I’ve been on the ORD Chicago, to Moscow run, and figured at least 75% were Russian people. When the seatbelt light goes off,,, almost everybody takes their shoes off and starts walking around,,,,, then the mothers start nursing their babies.
What I don’t like is the route between whatever western European country and Kiev. Cramped planes,,, both up to capacity and small seats. Most are Boeings 707 thru 777,,, damn small seats. My shoulders are into the next seat on both sides,, and I must hold my arms out in front of me for a couple of hours,,, and it’s so damn hot on that flight!
I’ve had the applause on most of my European flights,,,, especially after a 3 hopper!!
Beemer,, I’ve been on the ORD Chicago, to Moscow run, and figured at least 75% were Russian people. When the seatbelt light goes off,,, almost everybody takes their shoes off and starts walking around,,,,, then the mothers start nursing their babies.
What I don’t like is the route between whatever western European country and Kiev. Cramped planes,,, both up to capacity and small seats. Most are Boeings 707 thru 777,,, damn small seats. My shoulders are into the next seat on both sides,, and I must hold my arms out in front of me for a couple of hours,,, and it’s so damn hot on that flight!
I’ve had the applause on most of my European flights,,,, especially after a 3 hopper!!
Sunvolt,,, I used the default date on the eufares site to choose the dates of the flights, since I had no particular time in mind.
Why would having a short trip make the fare cheaper?? Or,, was it just that particular day that costs less, or did they need to fill up a flight??
When I’m looking to book a flight,,, I’ll check different combinations of days in the week,,, not just for a lower cost,,, but to avoid certain cites and airports. I avoid London Heathrow and Paris Charles De Gaulle,,, I’ve heard nothing but bad news about them.
One thing about www.eufares.com,,, they have always had cheap prices on fares,,,,, but to reschedule or to extend the departure date,,,, they want 400USD and at least four days notice! That’s where they get you!!
Oh,,, I also found the rates to be cheaper mid week,,, and to avoid their holiday season in early Jan.
The price Delta wanted for that same time was 1,500!
My cousin works for Delta. He gets free flights, but is on standby and he gets bumped often. I told him of this acronym: DELTA - Doesn't Ever Leave The Airport.
Since it is heavily regulated as you say, they are unions negotiating for public funds. Have a nice day also, and good luck trying to ignore me once again.