WTF, Last August and September, at your request, I sent you two private messages listing about five or six honest agencies in Ukraine. I never heard back from you. Maybe you did not receive my messages? Maybe you had problems at those agencies? Maybe you went through all of those girls and you need more?
WTF, i don't get it, if u wanna get laid - prostitutes are cheaper! If you want a real GF of course she won't want to meet you, knowing that you're going to stay only for 1 week. And if you want a free dating site - try mamba.
Wineman, I got the list but I did not use any agencies. The catalog of women did not interest me. I appreciate your willingness to share that information. I may use an agency this time as the online dating is too time consuming. Any more agencies to suggest?
Moya, prostitutes are disgusting. They sleep with a lot of men. I just want one nice woman who doesn't try and withhold sex until I marry her. I am a 30yo man after-all.
yep, but don't you think that if she doesn't want to have sex with you before your 5th date it's normal? Otherwise she must have slept with tons of men and there is no difference between her and a prostitute :) only prostitutes are more genuine - you get what you pay for :)
Moyarishka, Your posts always make a lot of sense, but in the US most women don't wait until the fifth date to have sex, and it seems that a lot don't in Eastern Europe also.
You say prostitutes are more genuine? That would mean that a woman who really cared about a man is less genuine than a prostitute. A scary thought. Maybe in Eastern Europe, but not in the US. In the US it is all about money. Maybe I should try a couple of prostitutes (not at the same time, though) and find out.
WTF, I recommended six agencies to you, with a total of at least six hundred women, and not one of those women rang your chimes? I am speechless and I really don't know what advice to give you. I have no more agencies at the present time, but if I find any more agencies that won't rip you off, I will pass them on to you.
Moya, I am surprised Ukrainian girls can wait 5 hours before having sex. I guess it depends on the size and value of the present we have to buy them to get anything.
Wineman, I am only 30. 600 women, but none that take my interest. Ugly or professional daters. The whole agency route seems more expensive than dating sites and I do not want to spend $xx,xxx to get a girl from Ukraine. They should be all over me. I am not looking for someone over 25 years old unless she has her own money and doesn't want kids. Combine that with the fact that these agencies have some girls that I see on the dating sites and some of the girls are ugly and some of the profiles have been there for years (they are so repulsive that no guy has wanted the girl in years?) I doubt that agencies will work.
LR, I would never trust an Ukrainian woman. I would not even trust her to supply and put on the condom incase she puts holes in it.
wineman, when i say prostitutes are more genuine than those girls you try to have sex on a first date i mean that with a prostitute you always know how much you have to spend and always know what you gonna get for this price, with a girl you can spend a fortune and get nothing :)
I usually wait till 5th date or more if it's a man i just met, if it's someone i knew before, i can reconsider this rule :) i don't think waiting is something unusual or something wrong... when a girl waits she sees guys reaction on this and she can understand if a guy wants just sex or smth more than it.
"They should be all over me" :-D
"I am not looking for someone over 25 years old unless she has her own money and doesn't want kids. I doubt that agencies will work."
Well, there you have it, prostitutes are what you need, they will be all over you, they make a lot of their own money (especially the old hags) and don't want kids
But not Ukrainian prostitutes as they are er....Ukrainian.
Just concentrate on prostitutes from your own country.
If Moya is Ukrainian (or even Russian) I would be very offended if I was her by what you say. You have no respect talking about Ukrainian women like that in their own faces. There are other Ukrainian women who use this forum.
yes Lonely, you got my point.
WTF, are you Tom Cruise? or maybe Brad Pitt? :)
if you treat a girl like a prostitute only prostitutes will be around. By treating like a prostitute i mean paying for sex and it doesn't matter if you pay with money or with big gifts.
"I do not want to spend $ to get a girl from Ukraine. They should be all over me."
No, not necessarily. There are lots of young guys coming up in Ukraine now doing well with good jobs and successful businesses. If you don't believe me go to Kiev and you will see the nouveau riche zipping around in their new Mercedes and BMW's. A lady's preference is to stay in her own country and if she can do that with a local guy she will.
Gone are the days of "I am a foreigner. They should be all over me." This went away about 10 years ago.
If you take that kind of attitude you will not get anything.
I know what you are saying but the reasons many girls still look for foreign men are:
- The new 'well to do' men (term used by girls over there) are few and far between plus they are in the main cities. Even a young, beautiful and educated girl does not have access to these men by necessity.
- These many have easy access to several girlfriends and girls know that they will only be one of many whether they are married to the guy or not.
- Because of the easy access that these men have to young and attractive girls, the men will not hesitate to replace their wife or girlfriend with a 'new model' of an 18 year old beautiful girl. A lady of 27-40 who is still in her prime and still beautiful to a Western man is an 'old model' to many of these wealthy guys. Plus I believe that alimony and financial compensation are not terms known over there.
- Virtually all the girls with children, I have spoken to, tell me that they have not seen a penny from the father, who becomes disinterested in his children the moment he dumps his wife. I have a FB friend, a 19 year old university student who is struggling to keep up with her studies she gets no money from her long gone father, even though she is in touch with him.
- Of course not every Ukrainan man is a drunk who treats his women badly but many girls still have this perception of them, or they prefer to see them that way to justify to themselves seeking a foreign man.
- Statistically women outnumber men in Ukraine
I am sure that my girl could have found one of these men, by now, either as a mistress or even a wife, as she is well educated and is very attractive but she is reluctant to do so as I think she is worried about these things. She has been divorced for 5 years and she is fed up with having to do everything on her own.
One girl I talked to told me in her first message: "I will speak to you on the condition that you are serious and will not dump me when you decide to go and find another girl"
" I usually wait till 5th date or more if it's a man i just met, if it's someone i knew before, i can reconsider this rule :) i don't think waiting is something unusual or something wrong... when a girl waits she sees guys reaction on this and she can understand if a guy wants just sex or smth more than it."
Always nice to know where a woman stands on 'certain' issues!!! )))))
I have been in Ukraine for 10 days and I must say I have met a few girls who are genuine girls that do not scam or sleep around I think I was just unlucky and having a bad time when I wrote that message. I will still look in Russia and Belarus too.
The girls are fast adopting the Western diet, culture and fashion. I believe Ukraine will become undesirable as a wife hunting destination within 5 years. Also concerned about the amount of Turkish and Arab men coming over here and misbehaving.