WIFESEEKER, you told that if a girl presents on a dating site for more than couple month that it should be something wrong with her either she's a scammer or smth like that.
I'm telling you that women can search for years just like men do!
Sorry i won't give you the address - womens solidarity, you know. :)
Maybe consider this: you are in this forum of men reading what we all say about 'you FSU women' and you get an insight into what we do and think plus our paranoia. You then come to recriminate and give your opinions. On the other hand you want to keep it as your secret what you girls think and do about all this.
You may also want to consider that the reason I want to see that forum is to be able to know what you ladies want and be more understanding and accommodating towards the lady(ies) I am trying to court.
All you are doing is justifying the paranoia of some men here in that you ladies have things to hide in you search for a Western man.
'Women's solidarity' Where have I heard that? Oh yes from the Western women we are all trting to avoid.
I believe that the genuine 'pay per everything' agencies have a much greater responsibility to remove scammers, fakes, gold diggers and time wasters from their data base, than agencies that only charge you a monthly subscription to access all the ladies.
Where you pay per everything, you want to have a good degree of certainty that you are spending money on genuine ladies, instead of pouring money on messages and gifts for ladies that you will find out, after having spent a lot on the communications, that they did not exist or were know scammers.
If the agencies make that more money with pay per everything, then get stafdf to investigate and weed out the bad girls (or guys putting the ptofiles)
Well, I am surprised now and somewhat skeptical too ...... after reading all these blog posts and conflicting opinions.
Are the ladies "real" or are western men being "scammed"? Are there real sincere dating sites and ladies out there? Dating or Marriage agency?
Invariably you have to send letters to a lady costing money which can run into thousands of dollars after a few months. You will also often be inundated with letters from girls young enough to be your daughter and even grand-daughter!
OK - it's fair to pay, and one would expect that "price" is also associated with "quality", but when should you stop and question the "standard of service"? Your money will not be refunded! For sure! I was a Sucker!
One girl was not satisfied with the flowers I sent, so to appease her she received some expensive perfume from me, and I even received a photograph back from the dating agency as they handed the expensive perfume to her (and she had chosen it). It was the same picture of her (definitely it was her, as in her on-line profile), so it seemed genuine enough.
But what if the agency is in "cahoots" with the girls who act as models, and receive a fee (commission)?
Thus, I stopped short of sending her a brand new i-phone she now demanded because "her handbag had allegedly been "stolen". Greedy wench I thought to myself!
My suspicions now aroused (I have an unforgiving moon in Scorpio), I then contacted the agency to look into the matter why her letter and another girl's letters were IDENTICAL in content! It turned out they both knew each other, were friends, lived in the same city Kherson in Ukraine, and had expressed their "undying love for me" (even though we had never actually met)!
They both had little command of English and had used the SAME Translator and their grammar in translating Russian to English often made little sense, degenerating into daydreams bordering on exotic eroticism and not reality!
I used "Just Answer" and for a small fee obtained legal advice from a qualified lawyer (with a PhD based in the good old USA) who had extensively investigated scams of this type, and had received numerous complaints about Russian dating sites.
I still have the report on file!
So I would advise caution when dealing with Russian / Ukrainian dating agencies. This is one way they earn foreign exchange - from your letters to the "girls" on display looking for western men.
However, I still believe my own elusive soul-mate speaks Russian, lives in Ukraine, and is just waiting to be discovered! (Taurus is a stubborn creature!)
So I'll keep you posted as to my prospects of success and travels through the woods, on my quest like the Holy Grail, to find "True Love"!!!!!
BlackKnight06 - actually they can just go to the department store and make a photo of her receiving the perfume without actually buying the perfume. The same with the flowers. These are all kinds of common scams now in Ukraine.
I advise against any gifts, especially any expensive gifts till your well into the relationship and I certainly don't trust any agency with the task of buying gifts or flowers and delivering them.
BlackKnight06, You sent her flowers and she told you she was not happy with them?? Then to make up for the flowers (like you really needed to) you sent her expensive perfume THAT SHE PICKED OUT?? Please tell me, why are you wasting your time searching halfway around the world when you can get a greedy, super-critical b*tch right here in the good old US of A?
If you find your Ukrainian dream girl, don't get excited until you have met her in person because about 80% of that letter writing and video chat is fraudulent.
What I have noticed with the "pay per letter/all forms of contact" dating sites, is that they say that they check the identificaion and marital status of the lady. So you are in contact with a real unmarried person. However, the sites also say that they cannot guarantee that the person will not later meet someone local and then "forget" to update their membership status on their site to show their relationship changes. There have been reported cases where men communicated with a lady on these type of sites, travelled to see her using the agency services, and then the lady turned a "cold shoulder" to the foreign guy during the visit and remained on the dating site even after he complained about it. The agency, of course, claimed that they cannot police the personal life of each lady on their site. So beyond the typical scam (fake profile, fake photos, professional daters, time wasters, gold diggers, etc.), you have those who provide misinformation about themselves, have some kind of emotional scars or behavioral issues, and those that are "on the fence" not really sure about it all. The obvious scammes are pretty easy to spot. It is those that have some kind of hidden issues tht are the ones very hard to detect without physically meeting with them. But, of course, the same can be said with local people, although the monetary cost will be more minimalized.
The reality of the situation is, when the dating game with FSU ladies started, you had 90% genuine girls and 10% scammers. Now it is the reverse. The number of genuine girls has not increased but the number of people taking advantage of the situation has exploded. The real problem is finding that 1 in 10 genuine girl, who also wants you. So you have to repeat the process some 10 times until you find the on that really wants you and the one that you really can have a realtionship that works with. So that makes it trying a relationship with 100 FSU women, even if the relationship is just chat for a few days.
You may say in my country I would not have to try a relationship with 100 women before I find one with whom that works. But that one is not going to be as young and beautiful as the one you find in the FSU, that is why we are in this game.
Those who think that a young and beautiful FSU girl is just going to fall for some fat and old Western man are dreaming. They want a better life and a better man in relation to their perception of Ukrainian men. The only thing that you need to ensure is that she has genuine affection for you as well as wanting to be offered a better life, the 2 things are not mutually exclusive. That is the way women have been for millenia.
Show me an attractive Western woman who tells you that she will fall in love with a guy with no money and I will show you a liar.