despite my wishes expressed in my introduction that ladys interested in me should
1. have fair or better english skill level
2. be around 30 years or more of age
3. have no children
4. have their own email addy
all contacts I receive are from an 'agency' woman. most with poor english skill and early 20's.
what gives? cannot they even read my introduction on fiance.com?
YOU go after the ladies, you are supposed to be the gentleman. Genuine ladies expect YOU to approach them. They want the Western men to be knights in shiny armour. Scammers approach you. That is the difference.
A beautiful and eligible young FSU lady does not have to go around chasing Western men or any men for that matter. That is why they take so much care of their appearance and take good photos of themselves for their profiles.
30 years old and above: Many will have children. FSU women have children younger than Western women do.
You are experiencing "robo answering service". The system just scans the male profiles and directs "canned" letters from the lady profiles regardless of what you have in your profile. I get hundred of letters from profiles that do not match what I wrote on my profile prefrences. They dangle "bait" at you hoping that you will bite.
This site says that women write their own introductions to men,,, but I really doubt it. Most of the women on this site go through an agency,,,, and they will do whatever to help turn a profit. I think very few women ever take the time to look through menís profiles.
Some websites will list which women have looked at your profile,,,, but I no longer remember which ones!
They won't give you their e mail right off, they don't know you. If they can speak 10 words their English is better than most, and 20 year Olds aren't as hung up on age as you are. I'm 55, my wife is 35. I dated mammy women in their mid 20s. I'd say don't discount any of them. I didn't answer my wife for 3 months because she "was too young".
This site does show the ladies who looked at your profile.
I get "email receipts" for each message sent to a lady from an agency through this site. If you are a non-VIP member, you have to pay for each message and I can understand the issuance of the receipt. For the VIP members, you also get the receipt and it shows $0.00 billing every time you send a message to a lady connected to an agency. Does the agency still get a "contribution" from this site when VIP members send messages to their ladies? For example, say you sent 1000 messages in one month to one girl and they all show $0.00 billing, does this mean the agency gets nothing?
Yes the agency gets nothing, except the girl is obligated to make your arrangements for you when you visit. They put you up in their apartment (which i always found to be just a few dollars more than I could do, but just a few) their translator, their drivers. In all, maybe over 10 days $100 more than if you sourced it yourself and did a great job.
Now compost that top day russian brides club. They use the same agencies but charge you $5 TO $20 per letter. Agency still gets nothing. Who are the scammers here?
My experience on this site. Number of contacts who has personal email - 1. Number of contacts who are ladies in agencies - Over 100. This is why I asked about searching for ladies who have their own personal email. There are thousands, but most appear not be online anymore.
One example of one lady on this site. I found matching profiles and photos at several other sites. So I ask her, do you correspond on other sites? She said no, just this one. Then I tell her about the other matching profiles. She replies don't you believe me? I am sure that if I write to the other site profiles, I will get a response that "she" only communicates from that site. Then, you are left with which profile is the real one or is she just a professional dater?
You may be right about that. They may just be copying her profile and plastering it to several sites. I also noticed that certain ladies seem to be on this site for videochat nearly every day. It only seems to be those who are recently registered on here. There are many profiles that have not returned after registering a few years ago. It seems like a hit or miss situation. Perhaps circumstances change and you stop returning to the site? Or nobody wants to talk to you? This site says they verify each profile by directly contacting the lady by phone. I guess they do not continuously check on the status of the lady if she stops returning?
I knew of a girl that was on at least 47 sites!! And it was through 1 agency!
This website might have one sister site,,, but AOB had at least a dozen,,, and you can tell by the girlís id no. If they match on several sites, then the websites are part of one company,, or at least working together.
This girl that was on 47 websites,, had a boyfriend the whole time. They have split up during this last year,,,, and she has been to the US! I wonder if a foreign man stole her attention away from her local boyfriend??
I donít think this particular girl wrote a single letter,,,, as she was not eager to meet me while I was in her town,,,,, but wanted to keep up the correspondence after I returned home. I said sure,,, but on fb, Vk, or reg email! Oh no,,, she canít do that! I have sent her invites on both fb and Vk,,, no reply! In fact,,,, for someone that is on so many foreign sites,,, she doesnít have a single foreign (western) friend??
What happens is the agencies are local only. Computer net work owners contact THEM. So the agency has contracts with dozens of different computer networks. So the girls are telling the truth, they ONLY ANSWER LETTERS HERE, at their agency, and they have no clue where the letters or which network they come from. It's not a scam,. It's not the girls fault. They only sign up at one place and their profile goes out to 10, 20, 30, or 47 computer sites.
Just out of curiosity, you said that you did not answer your future wife for 3 months. Was she sending you messages (to your in box), or sending you an invitation to correspond, or inviting you to video chat that you did not reply to for several months?
There are three ways to be contacted from what I can on this site. I get video chat invitations from several ladies who do not send me any messages. And I get messages from ladies who never invite me to video chat. And I get a few invitation to correspond messages from ladies who do not send messages to my inbox nor invite me to video chat.
Anyone who is not interested in meeting and wants to continue sending emails (which I sometimes refer to as "a pack of lies"), is not anyone that I need to communicate with further. What I will do with that type is how I email the majority of my contacts in my email list- Sending a e-christmas greeting card once every year. I have told several ladies point blank that if you wish to continue just corresponding through the pay per letter site indefinitely, then I will not be around for much longer.
The reasons for wanting to continue the correspondence with such a woman,,, wasnít so much for an relationship,,, but for answers! The girl herself didnít know anything about me,, didnít know if I had brothers and sisters, or what I did for a living. And we talked about everything in the letters! At least this one didnít ask for my name?!
The relationship I had with the ďletter writerĒ was more than an online friend,,, I considered her my best friend. The translator/interpreter didnít just write a few sentences and talk about the weather,,, but a full page or more,,,, and everything was relevant. We talked about everything, not so much erotic, but sometimes very personal! So,,, as scams go,,, I got my moneyís worth.
The last few letters that I wrote,,, I didnít address it to the girl,,, but rather ďto whomever is writing thisĒ she didnít deny it,,,, but didnít admit it either. I remember telling her how sad this is,,, you seem to know how to have a relationship,,, but instead scam for a living??
I also sent a friend invite to the interpreter,,, no reply! She is listed on a scammer watch list,,, she took someone for English lessons.
Dc, I'm sorry for not being clearer. I was worrying to many different women. I would see my wife's profile and laugh at even considering writing to her. She wasn't writing me, and she was so far out of my league that I thought it would be stupid to write her. I can only thank Sierra Nevada pale ale for wiring her the first time.
As for women who write, I did not once ever video chat. That seems to me to be a sure way to locate a scammer. I'm sure that get paid for taking to you for as long as possible. I have no problem writung a woman who writes me first or one that would send a "wink" to me. When I look back at my trips and times in ukraine I can only truly think of one experience that seems to have always indicated a scammer. In each case the agency was super agressive, almost pushy. Bringing me women, calling 5 times a day to arrange dates.... but the SURE indicator was their choice of venue always expensive by ukraine standards
Thanks for the clarification. You just kept viewing the profile and had no contact from it before you wrote.
I can see how the video chat does look like just a "money making" gimmick to the lady and her agency.
I will not accept the concept of introductions by a company. I understand that they are trying to play the matchmaker for you, but just randomly bringing in people from out of the cold to meet me I will not accept. Even if the date is in a doughnut shop. I have never been a dater even locally. So I will not definitely be one in another country. I will only meet prearranged contacts and if they are "no shows", I will accept that and call it a day. I am not going to drag this venture into years and decades either. I have most likely passed the halfway point of the average human life expectancy, so I am not going to be like "Don Quixote".
Dc, let me suggest that you do not want a woman with no children. Unless you plan on having kids they will want one sooner or later. Maybe look for ones with children 16+. At age 17 they are not eligible for a k2 visa. That way no more kids are cool with them.
I understand the desire to have a child (or children) and her own family. I have no children, so if she is willing to bear children, I also want her to have someone as a "backup" as I get older. Many of the ladies in the 20s and 30s with no children also say that want children in the future.
I have come across a ton of divorced women with children. One who is very close to my age and with two grown up adult children. There is one that is 41 who looks like in her 20s and has a teen and a toddler. But, I see your point about someone who has children over the age of 16 that would not qualify to be part of the visa application. That would also depend if she wished to have children here basides the ones left behind in her previous relationship. I know that raising kids takes a bite off the budget, but if she is willing to go through the pregnancy scenario, I am willing to "contribute" my portion into it. I intend on retiring soon, so she would not have to go it alone.