to answer a few questions the site started out as a way to help others find resources in the city or area they were visiting. I noticed that some places would charge twice as much for the same services so I made a list of the ones that we used or that were recommended to us by those traveling. I have literally hundreds of contacts all over Ukraine but only a few made it to the list for various reasons.One of the main criteria was English speaking staff. The same goes for interpreters and how much they charged, you can pay 5 an hour or as much as 35 an hour depending on who you know. All of them were listed and or linked to free of charge. Since there was not nearly the interest in that as in the women our site has specific pages for the feeds from affiliates. We have other advertisers and affiliates but the dating sites are much more profitable with much less work. I say we because a friend who at one point frequented this site wrote the program that runs the site. We do still have a travel blog where feeds come from other travel web sites but it does not have near the traffic as our main site. easyukraine is the name of our main site but I haven't had time to do much with it this year.
Tomz just outlined a good guide for a first meet. My wife and I still like to go for tea and some sort of sweets like cake or cookies.
Hi bowhunter. I can see your website is out of date (and a few typos?)
"I use a combination of Kayak and airline web sites such as earosvit to get the best deal I can find"
The best site for airfares is Skyscanner. Aerosvit has been out of business for over a year now.
Even though Skyscanner is generally the best you can sometimes get a better fare / route by going directly to the airlines website. You can often build your own fares using a combination of airlines depending on where you're travelling from / to.
Tom there is only one problem staying at a hotel. I have been told by many women that "only whores go to a motel", not one of the women had a problem going to their boy friends apartment. The only whores rule even applied to the lobby. As long as you wish to eliminate the possibility of having sex with a woman you can stay in a hotel.
Also I never felt bad about paying an extra $5 per night fee from the agency for the apartment. If they didn't stay in business I never would have found my wife. If you don't use a pay per letter service, and your woman speaks English, the $50 they make for your 10 day stay seems reasonable. Additionally the choice of accommodations speaks volumes about the woman you ate going to meet. When I met my wife and that night she said she wanted sushi set of all kinds of red flags. I knew sushi was code for very expensive. Turns out dinner for 3 and a couple beers for me was less than $35.
I Jane heard donetsk is much worse than we hear on the news. All payments to people for pensions has been stopped. Wages have been cut by 50%. A friends husband has "disappeared", and app my now relatives have fled the city
When dealing with agency girls, you MUST remember, that 99% DON”T CARE about:
Who you are.
Where you are from.
What you do.
What you look like.
How old you are.
What your intentions are.
They only care about getting you to their city!!!!
“As long as you wish to eliminate the possibility of having sex with a woman you can stay in a hotel.”
On every trip,,, the agency wanted me to stay at their flats,,, but only in ONE city and ONE agency,,, was it and the girls being used as extortion!!!
My last two trips were planned around one girl! Our correspondence was good before our first meeting,,, until I started making plans!
I stayed in a flat one time before,,, and will NEVER do it again. If you are in a city for the first time, and you don’t know anyone,,, you are at the mercy of the agency!!! We had two other members here, that were held captive in their flats,,,,, the agency lied about the location of the flats,,,, and didn’t come for days to pick them up! I was locked out of mine,,, and spent about 3 hours out in the elements in the city of Tver”,,,, 3-4 hours northwest of Moscow in January. I was eventually able to get to a hotel,,,, and vowed to never stay at a flat again. The flat itself was in okay condition,,, but it was over 30C inside with no thermostat! I opened the windows to cool the place off,,,, but couldn’t breathe the air,,, my throat burned and my eyes watered.
This one girl gave me the,,, “Don’t treat me like a prostitute” line,,,, and I told her about my past experience! It did not matter!!! I said that she didn’t have to come to my flat,,, that didn’t matter either??!! I started looking at other girls in that city,,,,,, and quickly began writing to three others!! Two of them said the same thing!!!! One said,,,, ”If you want a girl to stay with you,,,, you need to stay at an apartment!” I replied:,,,, Aren’t you being a little presumptuous?? What makes you think that I want to sleep with you?? She didn’t budge! I then said;,,, So,, what you are telling me,,, is that even if I was to invite you to the restaurant in my hotel,,,,, you wouldn’t come??? That was different. I think they realized, that I was not going to back down!!
Three of these girls were using sex like a carrot to a horse. What I found out later,,, is that these three girls and the interp,,, were all best friends!!!
The 4th girl didn’t seem to care,,,,, but something really strange happened with her. The agency woman offered to let me, “take her to Kiev,,,, and let her stay with me,,, in Kiev”?? She didn’t speak any English,,, and we had only met for 15 minutes at that point??!!
So,,,, who is REALLY, putting them in the role of a WHORE????
This was a first visit to meet these women,,, I wasn’t expecting sex! I’ve had women “throw” themselves at me before,,,, actually airborne once!!! It was a demerit for them!!
If we had spent some real time together,,, and we really liked each other,, then sure,,, let it happen!!
Are some of these girls old fashioned?? Sure,, maybe some,,,, but 3 of the 4 girls didn’t speak English,,,, so we had an interpreter along,,,, a chaperon!! What was going to happen??
Also don’t forget,,, that “Escorts” have a higher social status over there!!!
If a girl makes a big stink over the agencies’ flats,,,,, you have nothing waiting for you!! Whether your trip is a success or a failure,,, you still spend a fair amount of money. But if she is just an agency girl,,,, you waste a lot of time. You could put your money to better use,,,, like heating your home?!! Find a match,,, set your money on fire for heat!!!
You just put it to better use!!
Tom - I'm glad you found your wife despite all the agency games and lies. They are probably a little disappointed though that they lost an agency girl... You know they don't really ever want you to get married.
I can remember an experience in Poltava where a girl invited me to a sushi restaurant. I thought, O no, here we go again. Turns out the restaurant was cheap as chips and her dish came to only $6. So it's not all bad.
It's simply not true. I've had many girls even help check me into the hotel and settle me into my room. We didn't have sex there and then but that's their nature. That's their caring character that they want to help.
But notice I said you can meet her at a nearby café? What I after I check into my hotel is I scout out the area and find which cafes are around. So you can always meet at a nearby café if she doesn't want to meet in the hotel café.
Any time she is demanding that you do something she's got an ulterior motive so watch out.
Here's a little trick I learned. I was once in Odessa but corresponding with someone in Kiev. She was all nice on the phone and Skype and wanted me to come to Kiev for a meeting.
I thought what would happen if I came to Kiev? What would she be like? So what I did was I loaded money onto my Skype account and called her mobile #. (With Skype it shows private name or unknown name on her display). I announced "I am in Kiev! Let's meet this evening?" (I was really still in Odessa).
She immediately began to ask me which hotel I was staying at and taxi charges as well as an expensive restaurant to meet at.
Needless to say I dropped her right there and then because I saw her true motivations. You can use this method even if you're in another country because Skype will not give up your caller ID.
So they're going to be all nice and sweet until you get there... then it's game on. This is for the pro-daters.
I've always gotten decent apartments for $35 (in donetsk) to $90 (on maiden in kiev) power night. The one in kiev even had a steam room in it. It seemed to me like for what I got I was saving a lot of money over a hotel. In poltava I stayed in a hotel. It was nice but it was about $65 per night, I'm sure more than an apartment.
Tom Shea - I didn't say never stay in apartments. I said never stay in apartments that SHE arranges. Never stay in apartments that a dating or marriage agency arranges because there is a conflict of interest.
I stay in apartments all the time. I use Booking.com for the best deals. The only thing I don't like about apartments is usually you have to visit the apartment rental office to check in which is not the apartment itself. Other than that they're great.
If you're visiting a town you've never been to before I still recommend a well known central hotel.
Stay in apartments if you want, AFTER the girl turns out to be okay. I've saved money by staying in hotels,,,, and everything is more convenient. Plus,, if I want to leave after a few days,,, I don't need to worry about getting a refund. I only pay for a couple days at a time at hotels.